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[JaegerBane]

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

Sheesh, what is the big deal. They are only achievements. Its not like they actually mean anything.

While I'm all for giving players a chance to air their concerns, you do have a point. The OP is clearly complaining for the sake of complaining.

I mean, is this the kind of thing any normal person would mark a game down for? Because you can't get all achievements in a single playthrough?

Next we'll be complaining that the the menu isn't green enough. Geez Bioware, what's with all the brown? I'll never buy anything from you ever again!

[7th_Phoenix]

bjdbwea wrote...

Who cares for achievements anyway? Why would you feel compelled to get them? They don't even offer any advantages like they do in ME (and thanks for that, I don't need the game to "allow" me using the harder difficulty settings).

True but some people just get so "jittery and excited" just for having a little tiny picture with caption saying they did something "spectacular."  It's cute, really, in a nerdy sense. 

[Bibdy]

Wow, talk about splitting hairs.

[Yxiomel]

Tekbear wrote...

Matthew Young CT wrote...

David, please sneak in an achievement only possible if you romance Zevran as a male.

it's in - called easy lover. or do you get that if you romance him as a woman as well?

You get that for romancing Zev, PC gender doesn't matter.

[IgotTheMeat]

I guess the point was missed by the vast majority of responders. It may be that even as clearly as i post it, still many will not see that people like to play the game in different ways. My point is simple. ME achievements didn't pigeon hole me to play the game a certain way. I had fun with that game and getting the achievements at the same time(other then the renegade one which i skipped.) Why couldn't bioware go the same approach with DA:O? Why, if i want to get the romance achievement, am i forced to romance zev as a male or play a female? Why not go the ME route and give me an achievement for just romancing anyone and not everyone? Why not give me achievements for important story milestones reguardless of how i got there? Why force me to play in a way i wouldn't want to, in order to get the achievements? What was my responce in game? I simply skipped most of the achievements so far in DAO, where as in ME i did several play throughs just to enjoy the game and the extra class specific chevos were a nice bonus to the playthrough. I probably won't playthrough DA:O more then say twice. This is just my opinion. I wanted to post to express it. Please responders respect that people may actually want to get achievements. Also respect that people play the game differently then you do.

[Mad C]

I think its a good idea that not all achievments are unlockable by any given character and that your actions in the world itself will prevent some from even being seen. If you want to unlock them all, get that download and see all the pretty icons. If not, try playing other characters to see how they differ and affect encounters. I myself don't want a dingle to dangle in the way, but I have played male characters. It makes a difference in the game what you play and your characters demeaner.

[KalosCast]

7th_Phoenix wrote...

True but some people just get so "jittery and excited" just for having a little tiny picture with caption saying they did something "spectacular."  It's cute, really, in a nerdy sense. 

Achievements can be fun to collect, depending on the game and how they're implemented. I almost never read achievement lists for games I buy, as (1) I'm primarily a PC gamer, so there's no persistant gamer score to tell the world how large my dong is (for the record: huge) and (2) Developers seem to either not care about (which I can empathize with) or not know how to implement them in a genuinely fun way.

I cite Grand Theft Auto on the Xbox 360 as a good example of achievement usage. After setting up some mind-blowinlingly idiotic stunt, hearing that "bleep-bloop!" after all the explosions stop is a bit of a feeling of accomplishment. Mostly because these feats of mentally-challeneged daring are a lot of the reason I find sandbox games fun, so being recognized for exploiting the game mechanics exceptionally well makes it more fun.

The only meta-game achievements that I can think of in Dragon Age are the "play to point X without dying" and "do X damage in one hit". Everything else are unlocked by just playing through the game seriously enough. You don't need to feed me awards for playing your game, developers, that's the reason I bought it in the first place.

[Matthew Young CT]

Er ME had achievements for using all the weapons, all the skills etc...so you kinda had to play as a fighter&sentinel&adept...im not sure how thats different to having to romance all the characters etc to get all the achievements...

[KalosCast]

IgotTheMeat wrote...

I guess the point was missed by the vast majority of responders. It may be that even as clearly as i post it, still many will not see that people like to play the game in different ways. My point is simple. ME achievements didn't pigeon hole me to play the game a certain way. I had fun with that game and getting the achievements at the same time(other then the renegade one which i skipped.) Why couldn't bioware go the same approach with DA:O? Why, if i want to get the romance achievement, am i forced to romance zev as a male or play a female? Why not go the ME route and give me an achievement for just romancing anyone and not everyone? Why not give me achievements for important story milestones reguardless of how i got there? Why force me to play in a way i wouldn't want to, in order to get the achievements? What was my responce in game? I simply skipped most of the achievements so far in DAO, where as in ME i did several play throughs just to enjoy the game and the extra class specific chevos were a nice bonus to the playthrough. I probably won't playthrough DA:O more then say twice. This is just my opinion. I wanted to post to express it. Please responders respect that people may actually want to get achievements. Also respect that people play the game differently then you do.

ME, the game that has a number of achievements that REQUIRE you to use the exact same party over the whole game, as well as play certain classes are less limiting to how you want to play the game than one that requires you to be nice to an NPC in camp and then watch a skippable cutscene?

My mind continues to be blown.

Modifié par KalosCast, 08 décembre 2009 - 05:26 .

[Lord Khaan]

hahaha how is it the mods have let this go on for so long. Not that Im complaining, this gave me the BIGGEST laugh all week!

[MartinJHolm]

IgotTheMeat wrote...

playing a female character doesn't appeal to me

Isn't it that your problem then and not a problem with the game?

Hint, maybe you just shouldn't play ROLE PLAYING GAMES.

[7th_Phoenix]

IgotTheMeat wrote...

I guess the point was missed by the vast majority of responders. It may be that even as clearly as i post it, still many will not see that people like to play the game in different ways. My point is simple. ME achievements didn't pigeon hole me to play the game a certain way. I had fun with that game and getting the achievements at the same time(other then the renegade one which i skipped.) Why couldn't bioware go the same approach with DA:O? Why, if i want to get the romance achievement, am i forced to romance zev as a male or play a female? Why not go the ME route and give me an achievement for just romancing anyone and not everyone? Why not give me achievements for important story milestones reguardless of how i got there? Why force me to play in a way i wouldn't want to, in order to get the achievements? What was my responce in game? I simply skipped most of the achievements so far in DAO, where as in ME i did several play throughs just to enjoy the game and the extra class specific chevos were a nice bonus to the playthrough. I probably won't playthrough DA:O more then say twice. This is just my opinion. I wanted to post to express it. Please responders respect that people may actually want to get achievements. Also respect that people play the game differently then you do.

I'm not ragging on you but "no one" is forcing you to play a certain way. it's your provocative to unlock the achievements but you have to consider if they did go with the standard paragon/renegade meter it might have been... not original since in DA:O you're measuring the approval/disapproval of your companions and can make good/evil decisions in a single playthrough and still come out as the "hero" in the end. This makes the game unique in its own sense and perhaps you just try something new as Bioware games are the sort to let you... well... do anything you want to get what you want. So it doesn't matter to me how you play but this game is meant to satisfy the majority and maybe someone should send you a personal apology letter... but i don't know but, more importantly, it is just... a game.

[Aldandil]

IgotTheMeat wrote...

I guess the point was missed by the vast majority of responders. It may be that even as clearly as i post it, still many will not see that people like to play the game in different ways. My point is simple. ME achievements didn't pigeon hole me to play the game a certain way. I had fun with that game and getting the achievements at the same time(other then the renegade one which i skipped.) Why couldn't bioware go the same approach with DA:O? Why, if i want to get the romance achievement, am i forced to romance zev as a male or play a female? Why not go the ME route and give me an achievement for just romancing anyone and not everyone? Why not give me achievements for important story milestones reguardless of how i got there? Why force me to play in a way i wouldn't want to, in order to get the achievements? What was my responce in game? I simply skipped most of the achievements so far in DAO, where as in ME i did several play throughs just to enjoy the game and the extra class specific chevos were a nice bonus to the playthrough. I probably won't playthrough DA:O more then say twice. This is just my opinion. I wanted to post to express it. Please responders respect that people may actually want to get achievements. Also respect that people play the game differently then you do.

To get the shotgun achievement I had to fire a shotgun a lot. As you all know, shotguns are of the devil and I refuse to touch them. Damn ME for forcing me play in a certain way!

[Eurypterid]

I see what you're saying, but I think you're approaching it the wrong way. Look at it this way: in ME, you basically didn't care about the Renegade achievement. So have the same attitude about the DA:O achievements that you can't get unless you play a certain way. If you don't want to play that way, why do you care about those achievements?

[IgotTheMeat]

For the record i don't want to be able to get all achievements in one playthrough. That would not be fun. I just don't want to be pigeon holed into playing the game a certain way in order to get achievements. ME didn't do this. The best example that i can go back to is that in ME you got an achievement just for doing a romance. In DA:O you have to romance everyone possible. And if you don't want to play a female character or a homosexual character well then too bad. In ME you had story milestone achievements for completeing certain worlds. In DA:O most story achievements you get are from going one way or the other on decisions. I'm not sure if achievements are on the PC version. But DA:O was supposed to be taylored for each system and that was part of the "delay". Seeing how achievements were handled in DA:O it seems like they were less for the enjoyment of the player and more for the tracking for bioware. This is a step back from ME and seeing as how the delay was supposed to taylor this game better for the xbox i'm not sure in one very specific xbox only way, that it was.

[Vergil_dgk]

People actually care about achievements? Huh, who'd have thunk...

[Eurypterid]

IgotTheMeat wrote...

For the record i don't want to be able to get all achievements in one playthrough. That would not be fun. I just don't want to be pigeon holed into playing the game a certain way in order to get achievements. ME didn't do this. The best example that i can go back to is that in ME you got an achievement just for doing a romance. In DA:O you have to romance everyone possible.

No you don't. You get an achievement for ramancing each character. If you only want to play as a male and you want to get a romance (straight) achievement, you can romance Leliana and Morrigan. Each one will give you an achievement. As I noted above, just ignore the others.

[7th_Phoenix]

KalosCast wrote...

7th_Phoenix wrote...

True but some people just get so "jittery and excited" just for having a little tiny picture with caption saying they did something "spectacular."  It's cute, really, in a nerdy sense. 

Achievements can be fun to collect, depending on the game and how they're implemented. I almost never read achievement lists for games I buy, as (1) I'm primarily a PC gamer, so there's no persistant gamer score to tell the world how large my dong is (for the record: huge) and (2) Developers seem to either not care about (which I can empathize with) or not know how to implement them in a genuinely fun way.

I cite Grand Theft Auto on the Xbox 360 as a good example of achievement usage. After setting up some mind-blowinlingly idiotic stunt, hearing that "bleep-bloop!" after all the explosions stop is a bit of a feeling of accomplishment. Mostly because these feats of mentally-challeneged daring are a lot of the reason I find sandbox games fun, so being recognized for exploiting the game mechanics exceptionally well makes it more fun.

The only meta-game achievements that I can think of in Dragon Age are the "play to point X without dying" and "do X damage in one hit". Everything else are unlocked by just playing through the game seriously enough. You don't need to feed me awards for playing your game, developers, that's the reason I bought it in the first place.

I agree, and I do see little point in rewarding me something in a game if it'll do nothing. I was just even surprised i unlocked an achievement the first time i played , and since they do nothing for me... i don't care but i don't like the DA:O any less for that. This is a great game and i'll continue to play it however many ways i can possibly can regardless of the achievements. it's the fun that matters.

[KalosCast]

IgotTheMeat wrote...

For the record i don't want to be able to get all achievements in one playthrough. That would not be fun. I just don't want to be pigeon holed into playing the game a certain way in order to get achievements. ME didn't do this. The best example that i can go back to is that in ME you got an achievement just for doing a romance. In DA:O you have to romance everyone possible. And if you don't want to play a female character or a homosexual character well then too bad. In ME you had story milestone achievements for completeing certain worlds. In DA:O most story achievements you get are from going one way or the other on decisions. I'm not sure if achievements are on the PC version. But DA:O was supposed to be taylored for each system and that was part of the "delay". Seeing how achievements were handled in DA:O it seems like they were less for the enjoyment of the player and more for the tracking for bioware. This is a step back from ME and seeing as how the delay was supposed to taylor this game better for the xbox i'm not sure in one very specific xbox only way, that it was.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've never played Mass Effect. There were specific achievements for using specific party members for a majority of the game (including side quests, in Liara's case, you had to keep her for almost 100% completion) or for scoring kills with very specific weapons, requiring you to play as very specific classes.

I'm beginning to think you just have issues with homosexuality.

[bjdbwea]

IgotTheMeat wrote...

Why not go the ME route and give me an achievement for just romancing anyone and not everyone?

They DID that. You get a separate achievement for every romancable character, and another achievement if you experienced all romances. What's there to complain about? Seriously now, any achievement requires you to play the game "in a certain way". Is there ANY point at all to achievements if you get them no matter what? Nothing against you, but this has got to be one of the most ludicrous complaints I've read around here, and that says a lot.

[IgotTheMeat]

For those of you implying that roleplaying games are not for me. Let me list the bioware games i have played. BG1 and 2 Kotor JE ME DA:O. I have experience with bioware games. I infact love to roleplay. However, i only enjoy roleplaying a goodie two shoes. I dont have fun playing an evil character at all. That is how i play. I don't mock how you play. Also how many of you commenting on achievements and how you don't get them play on an Xbox? I'm guessing that takes atleast half of you out. There is infact among console players a significant percentage of players that like achievements or trophies to some degree. This is a respectable percent of gamers alot of them core gamers. Don't mock what you don't understand.

[IgotTheMeat]

I've played through ME like 3 or 4 times. my tag is IGotTheMeat7 if you wish to check on live or xbox.com

[7th_Phoenix]

bjdbwea wrote...

IgotTheMeat wrote...

Why not go the ME route and give me an achievement for just romancing anyone and not everyone?

They DID that. You get a separate achievement for every romancable character, and another achievement if you experienced all romances. What's there to complain about? Seriously now, any achievement requires you to play the game "in a certain way". Is there ANY point at all to achievements if you get them no matter what? Nothing against you, but this has got to be one of the most ludicrous complaints I've read around here, and that says a lot.

This is a good point! if you don't want to do it, then you won't unlock.  Enough said...

[Brako Shepard]

IgotTheMeat wrote...

playing a female character doesn't appeal to me

I know what you mean here,

Personally its not an issue of not liking women, its an issue of me connecting with the character. I am a male, so being a female in a game is too wierd for me, and if it wasn't for the romance achievements I would not have bothered.

What they should have done was just give one romance achievement. This way you can romance with who ever you like, and no one has to feel weird about it. BioWare never seem to get this right though. They are always making me bone stuff that makes me die a little inside.

Mass Effect my character boned a blue alien lady, and in my eyes thats no different to beatiality. In Dragon Age, they have me getting in on some man on man action, or creating a character with a flangina so that I can get it on with the most hated character since Ja-Ja Binks( by that I mean that whiny little Allister).

So if they are going to make romance achievements, they should just do one which is type of universal achievement. Like I said, no one has to do anything(or anyone) they wouldn't normally want to do, and everyone is gets what they want.

[hmlee2008]

johngaltjr wrote...

I never understood the concept of achievements or gamer scores or anything like that. Maybe I'm just too old (24) and they are for the post-1990 birthdate crowd. Like xbox 360 gamer scores for example. If I had an xbox live account with a high gamer score, I would be kind of ashamed to let my friends see it. I mean, how dorky is that!?

..but I guess spending my time writing posts like this are just as dorky lol.

It's really no more dorky than your screen name, though I suppose that's a slightly different type of dorky. Anyhoo, I guess I kind of agree with you... I'm in the same general age range and agree... I mean I think that getting achievements is fun... but I've never understood the drive to get ALL of them for one game... seems a bit strange.