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[RANDOMvGRENADE]

lays12 wrote...

The OP is delusional.

Yup, and all the peeps who starred this topic are as well I guess.   I think most of you are just upset that I have blown a hole in the idea that this particular glitch is somehow propelling players ahead of others.  The math doesn't lie, though people do.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Siliboy wrote...

So OP is saying legit gold runs and "CREDIT GLITCH" runs are basically the same in terms of XP, hence its alright? But the thing is, it's called CREDIT GLITCH (which I caps again). It isn't called XP glitch because players who do this, do it for the credits and not XP. As I've calculated, glitchers gain more than double the creds (check me on this one, actually maybe less because of the creds reward format on wave 6 and 10) in 1 hour than those who do legit runs.

You sure you're not defending yourself glitchers with this post?

Umm it's called ---the truth about the "credit glitch".  The quotations were meant to point to the misnomer.  You are right, I would just call it a glitch.

LOL I will gladly submit my account for investigation.  I don't do it, but that doesn't proclude me from the conversation, especially since this is the first thread that actually lays out facts and math, rather than just conjecture and debate.

Modifié par RANDOMvGRENADE, 05 mai 2012 - 09:33 .

[SweetWilly013]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

lays12 wrote...

The OP is delusional.

Yup, and all the peeps who starred this topic are as well I guess.   I think most of you are just upset that I have blown a hole in the idea that this particular glitch is somehow propelling players ahead of others.  The math doesn't lie, though people do.

Only to anyone who thinks XP > credits. Try polling it and see what you get as the results.

Oh well. Enjoy your self-generated E-peen. I've spent enough time on this topic.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

SweetWilly013 wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

lays12 wrote...

The OP is delusional.

Yup, and all the peeps who starred this topic are as well I guess.   I think most of you are just upset that I have blown a hole in the idea that this particular glitch is somehow propelling players ahead of others.  The math doesn't lie, though people do.

Only to anyone who thinks XP > credits. Try polling it and see what you get as the results.

Oh well. Enjoy your self-generated E-peen. I've spent enough time on this topic.

nanight

[BiO]

The N7 rating doesn't make you stronger. New weapons do. You needs lots of credits to get lots of weapons.

If you're playing Gold, you're most likely lvl 20, so XP doesn't mean jack-****.

OP, you're doing it wrong... unless.... zomgwtfbbq OP is troll!

Modifié par BiO_MaN, 05 mai 2012 - 09:37 .

[Praest]

I honestly cba to read the entire thread, but the OP's premise is that the "CREDIT GLITCH" is not a glitch because it doesn't give enough _EXPERIENCE_??

If it was a glitch about experience, it would not be called the credit glitch. How about we call this what it is? Cheating - plain and simple.

[Wesus]

This is a stupidity on such a high level, its virtually impossible to be this stupid...

It makes me go

[Iodine]

He explained using math, guys. MATH. You can't argue with math, it's almost as infallible as statistics. All that's left now is for him to explain the situation to EA and Bioware, and get them to correct their mistake in the Terms of Service to allow exploits/cheating/abuse.

Thanks for showing us the truth, OP, I would have felt (and looked) quite the fool if I'd gone on thinking that cheating was cheating or an "unfair advantage" or something like that D:

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

BiO_MaN wrote...

The N7 rating doesn't make you stronger. New weapons do. You needs lots of credits to get lots of weapons.

If you're playing Gold, you're most likely lvl 20, so XP doesn't mean jack-****.

OP, you're doing it wrong... unless.... zomgwtfbbq OP is troll!

That is not true at all.  Lot's of people who aren't level 20 play gold, and they play for the xp.  To them and others like them the xp is worth more than the credits.  To say they are playing wrong is childish and just plain stupid.  

[Wang Lightning]

Oh hey, another topic wherein Random Grenade makes bizarre leaps in logic rendering his argument invalid, and then spends hours debating it with the forums. Cool.

Enjoy the attention, bro. High-Five.

Although out of curiosity-since I don't feel like reading through the entire topic- have there been any replies AT ALL in support of your post? Or have all the replies been in the "wut" category?

Modifié par Wang Lightning, 05 mai 2012 - 09:47 .

[Wesus]

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Iodine wrote...

He explained using math, guys. MATH. You can't argue with math, it's almost as infallible as statistics. All that's left now is for him to explain the situation to EA and Bioware, and get them to correct their mistake in the Terms of Service to allow exploits/cheating/abuse.

Thanks for showing us the truth, OP, I would have felt (and looked) quite the fool if I'd gone on thinking that cheating was cheating or an "unfair advantage" or something like that D:

Nowhere in my post does it say it is right or wrong.  If you READ, it is simply a clarification of the xp and credit breakdown between the two.  Please do not add to my posts for the convenience of your personal attacks.

[Nizzemancer]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

EDIT:  This post is intended to clear the air and make the distinction between a glitch and an exploit.  It is no way meant to encourage or promote this behavior.  It is simply the math on why it is not an exploit.  This is not meant to defend anyone but the math. 


There seems to be some confusion as to what an exploit is.  I am going to prove once and for all that players utilizing this host migration issue are actually not exploiting at all.  Here goes:

Let's do the math on this so called "exploit", shall we? For this example assume FBW/G/G.
round 10 on a gold match takes appx 3-5 minutes, depending on objective. So for the sake of the math let's say it takes 5 minutes per glitched round, including lobby and load times. 10-20k xp and 40k credits per round. That means in one hour, if played straight through with no breaks, a player could fit in about 12 (closer to 10, but let's aim high for the haters who would say I'm too conservitive)rounds per hour. 

That's about 480,000 creditsper hour and about 200k xp

For the sake of time, we will say that a gold match takes about half hour, including lobby and load time. That's 2 per hour. 300-400k xp and 75k credits per round.
That's about 150,000 credits per hour and about 700kxp. 

 For the math we will say the glitcher has 500k and is able to by 5 PSP's.
 
 Even if the glitcher were to spend his credits on PSP's, they could only recieve 250k xp MAX per pack.  150k in regular SP, which adds up to 1.25million xp in both packs MAXIMUM, with the average being closer to 750k xp worth of character cards over 5 PSP's.

That means that a credit glitcher earns an average of about 950k XP per hour,  

A non glitcher can afford 1 PSP and one 2 vet packs.  About 200k xp there.  Added to the 700k xp already earned and you have an average of 900k xp per hour.  

As you can clearly see, the outcomes from these two very different approaches got us to about the same place, with the credit glitcher POTENTIALLY earning a mere 5% more gain than the non glitcher.  

 To someone interested in promoting, the glitch is actually COUNTERPRODUCTIVE! Moreover, since the leaderboard ranks players by N7, NOT ARSENAL, and the glitch does not rank a person up any faster, what exactly is he exploiting? NOTHING. He is actually progressing through the established MP parameters AT THE SAME SPEED AS YOU. 

Game Over.

" It is simply the math on why it is not an exploit."

Math has nothing to do with if it's an exploit or not, wtf were you thinking really?

Exploit - misusing a bug in a game to gain an advantage.

The credit glitch uses a bug to get an advantage, it's an exploit, DEAL WITH IT.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Wang Lightning wrote...

Oh hey, another topic wherein Random Grenade makes bizarre leaps in logic rendering his argument invalid, and then spends hours debating it with the forums. Cool.

Enjoy the attention, bro. High-Five.

Although out of curiosity-since I don't feel like reading through the entire topic- have there been any replies at all in support of your post? Or have all the replies been in the "wut" category?

People who agree generally star and move on.  It's the jackas*ses with an ax to grind who feel the need to make personal attacks on legitimate gamers that are the real problem with these threads.  If your only motive is to flame the poster than just move on by and get on with your weak life.

[Rivermann]

The truth is it's an exploit. Even if it would be worse to exploit the bug than to do it traditionally, it's still an exploit.

Game Over.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Nizzemancer wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

EDIT:  This post is intended to clear the air and make the distinction between a glitch and an exploit.  It is no way meant to encourage or promote this behavior.  It is simply the math on why it is not an exploit.  This is not meant to defend anyone but the math. 


There seems to be some confusion as to what an exploit is.  I am going to prove once and for all that players utilizing this host migration issue are actually not exploiting at all.  Here goes:

Let's do the math on this so called "exploit", shall we? For this example assume FBW/G/G.
round 10 on a gold match takes appx 3-5 minutes, depending on objective. So for the sake of the math let's say it takes 5 minutes per glitched round, including lobby and load times. 10-20k xp and 40k credits per round. That means in one hour, if played straight through with no breaks, a player could fit in about 12 (closer to 10, but let's aim high for the haters who would say I'm too conservitive)rounds per hour. 

That's about 480,000 creditsper hour and about 200k xp

For the sake of time, we will say that a gold match takes about half hour, including lobby and load time. That's 2 per hour. 300-400k xp and 75k credits per round.
That's about 150,000 credits per hour and about 700kxp. 

 For the math we will say the glitcher has 500k and is able to by 5 PSP's.
 
 Even if the glitcher were to spend his credits on PSP's, they could only recieve 250k xp MAX per pack.  150k in regular SP, which adds up to 1.25million xp in both packs MAXIMUM, with the average being closer to 750k xp worth of character cards over 5 PSP's.

That means that a credit glitcher earns an average of about 950k XP per hour,  

A non glitcher can afford 1 PSP and one 2 vet packs.  About 200k xp there.  Added to the 700k xp already earned and you have an average of 900k xp per hour.  

As you can clearly see, the outcomes from these two very different approaches got us to about the same place, with the credit glitcher POTENTIALLY earning a mere 5% more gain than the non glitcher.  

 To someone interested in promoting, the glitch is actually COUNTERPRODUCTIVE! Moreover, since the leaderboard ranks players by N7, NOT ARSENAL, and the glitch does not rank a person up any faster, what exactly is he exploiting? NOTHING. He is actually progressing through the established MP parameters AT THE SAME SPEED AS YOU. 

Game Over.

" It is simply the math on why it is not an exploit."

Math has nothing to do with if it's an exploit or not, wtf were you thinking really?

Exploit - misusing a bug in a game to gain an advantage.

The credit glitch uses a bug to get an advantage, it's an exploit, DEAL WITH IT.

There is no advantage or disadvantage.  The math has everything to do with whether it's an exploit or not.  How do you measure gains and complare them without math?  It is only an exploit if there is a gain that could not otherwise be achieved being demonstrated.   N7, not weapons are EA's indicator.  Therefore measuring potential xp gains is the only way to determine if this glitch is exploitive, detrimental, or inconsequential.  I have shown that it is inconsequential, and no matter how many angry words and insults thrown at me personally will change that.  The 4 star rating speaks much louder than your petty banter.   

[Shadowsword8]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...


And yet my post clearly shows that those credits do not equate to faster progress, therefore no gain, therefore no exploit.  Just a bug that needs fixing.  

Do you realise how many mental hoops you're willing to go through to pretend XP compensate for credits?

You really, really should spend some time meditating about your thnking, and your motives for doing so.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Shadowsword8 wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...


And yet my post clearly shows that those credits do not equate to faster progress, therefore no gain, therefore no exploit.  Just a bug that needs fixing.  

Do you realise how many mental hoops you're willing to go through to pretend XP compensate for credits?

You really, really should spend some time meditating about your thnking, and your motives for doing so.

The worth of credits, guns, and N7 rank is SUBJECTIVE.  Their worth is what you make it.  I have most every weapon, so for me, XP trumps credits.   

[Praest]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

The worth of credits, guns, and N7 rank is SUBJECTIVE.  Their worth is what you make it.  I have most every weapon, so for me, XP trumps credits.   

Hey look, NOW we're getting somewhere. The fact that they are subjective just invalidated your entire post. Since you claim it's a "truth" that there is actually no gain for more credits, but lots of other people actually do, it can't be the truth. It can be your opinion, but opinions are just that, opinions, and not facts or absolute truths.

And if credits are of no matter to you, why are you defending cheating? Is it to validate the fact that you used this exploit to get enough credits to not care? Or are the others right, you're just a troll who can't discuss normal stuff so you find some indefensible position and stick to it?

[Wang Lightning]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Wang Lightning wrote...

Oh hey, another topic wherein Random Grenade makes bizarre leaps in logic rendering his argument invalid, and then spends hours debating it with the forums. Cool.

Enjoy the attention, bro. High-Five.

Although out of curiosity-since I don't feel like reading through the entire topic- have there been any replies at all in support of your post? Or have all the replies been in the "wut" category?

People who agree generally star and move on.  It's the jackas*ses with an ax to grind who feel the need to make personal attacks on legitimate gamers that are the real problem with these threads.  If your only motive is to flame the poster than just move on by and get on with your weak life.

Sure. Lots of people agree with you. They're just silent and invisible, as usual. While my life may indeed be weak (Living in reality is admittedly boring) you seem to exist in a state of hazy, self-assured bliss.

Believe me, I'd love to trade. Take care, and good luck.

[Core_Commander]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

about as much as your worthless credits and guns.  ARBITRARY.

"Credits are arbitrary" is basically saying "money is arbitrary". Meanwhile, 3 credits > 1 credit.

Once the match starts, N7 rank means nothing. The only thing that can help you survive and win is your abilities (unaffected by N7 rank, and most people in Gold matches are lv20 already so XP doesn't matter either)... and your weapon. Weapon that you buy with credits. Credits that glitch exploiters get more of, so their performance is better and chances of survival higher.

If you play for N7 rank solely, feel free not to cheat.

[HolyAvenger]

Credits are more important to me than N7 rank. Hence people who cheat to gain credits are not people I want to be part of my gaming community. Glad that BioWare are dropping the banhammer.

[BiO]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Shadowsword8 wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...


And yet my post clearly shows that those credits do not equate to faster progress, therefore no gain, therefore no exploit.  Just a bug that needs fixing.  

Do you realise how many mental hoops you're willing to go through to pretend XP compensate for credits?

You really, really should spend some time meditating about your thnking, and your motives for doing so.

The worth of credits, guns, and N7 rank is SUBJECTIVE.  Their worth is what you make it.  I have most every weapon, so for me, XP trumps credits.   

Okay, let's look at it this way:

Say, you're a lvl 1 infiltrator. You only have the predator I pistol. You level up to lvl 20, but you do not care about credits, so let's assume you continue to use the  predator I because you don't have anything else. No matter how many times you promote and re-level your character, how many N7 points you've got, you're always going to get the same level of efficiency as your original lvl 20 infiltrator.

Now. Let's say you don't bother with promoting. You got your infiltrator leveled to 20, and leave it that  way. You start focusing on credits. You start buying packs - you upgrade your predator pistol from I to X. Your lvl 20 infiltrator with Predator X is more efficient than your lvl 20 Infiltrator with predator I, that is a fact.

Point being, you can't tell me that promoting = progressing. All that is progressing is a number that doesn't affect your in-game capabilities (not couning Single-Player war-assets). Ergo, people who are using the credit glitch are aquiring new weapons faster than normal players = faster progression through the game.

I personally do not care either way.

Modifié par BiO_MaN, 05 mai 2012 - 11:19 .

[EnglishRedneck]

Sorry if anyone in this thread has already said this, but about the whole "credit glitch is counter productive to people who want XP for N7 rank". Have you considered all the XP cards they would receive from all the packs? Surely this would put the money glitcher in an advantage over legit players? Because the XP gained from all the packs would amount to a good deal more than what can be gained in the same amount of time playing normally.

[Jay Leon Hart]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

The word exploit is used when someone abuses a bug to get ahead. Bioware has established a ranking system, the only form of PvP competition at all. They made xp the standard. If a player is not ranking up faster than anyone else, he is not exploiting. There is no gain. Simple

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