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[dreman9999]

 As much as we all have fought over this theory, their are a few ironies here that much of the Anti-IT seem to miss.
I just want to point it out.
1.The question of sold proof...

 It's been stated in the lore that there is no solid proof of it till it's too late. 

Their are syntoms but they are often spratic and divide in a way that makes it hard to link.....It's subtle. There 2 cases when somone who already knew about indoctrination via contact with reaper and reaper tech how knew and about indoctrination..... Saren, who tried to reduce it with short visits to the test onSovergin over the years, and Dr. Kenson, who may have been too late to try and avoid it.

2."Ah, yes. Reapers......"
No one remeber that time Shepard tried to prove something without solid proof, just proof to support his theory? It's ironic that it 's the same case with IT....Plenty of things to connect the dots with nothing to flatout shows it's true.
Some ever go as far as to say their is nothing to support the theory and ignore solid facts... http://social.biowar...75/blog/212630/ 



It is really twisted how people don't see thisat all.

Modifié par dreman9999, 05 mai 2012 - 03:14 .

[Laurencio]

I don't think you know what irony means...

As for 2. The whole Sovreign attacking the Citadel thing was pretty conclusive to be honest. Delusion is not the same as sceptisism.

Modifié par Laurencio, 05 mai 2012 - 02:45 .

[AlexXIV]

There is the plain fact that if the IT was true then Bioware should have resolved it in game. Aka showing the player/obvserver that it was an indoctrination attempt. Though the ending as it is suggests that everything we saw actually happened. It doesn't matter how much sense the IT makes. And I am surely not anti IT. But the ending (post catalyst decision) does not support it.

[Raiil]

Er... it's not quite the same thing. Shepard has first-hand experience in-game and concrete proof that these things have happened. IT is a theory for a reason- not because it's bad, not because it's stupid, but because the evidence isn't air-tight the way Shepard's is in game.

[AlexXIV]

Laurencio wrote...

I don't think you know what irony means...

That there is alot of iron in it?

[davishepard]

Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?

[Laurencio]

AlexXIV wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

I don't think you know what irony means...

That there is alot of iron in it?

You found the secret meaning!

[The Protheans]

Laurencio wrote...

I don't think you know what irony means...

Touche

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Laurencio wrote...

I don't think you know what irony means...

How ironic.

[DJBare]

davishepard wrote...

Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?

Maybe because there's a basis for the fan fiction?


Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.

[dreman9999]

Laurencio wrote...

I don't think you know what irony means...

As for 2. The whole Sovreign attacking the Citadel thing was pretty conclusive to be honest. Delusion is not the same as sceptisism.

Based on fact one, I clearly do. Is not ironic to ask for solid proof for something that only shows solid proof after it's too late to do anything about it.

Also, about sovergin, you look at it too much as some one on the inside. If you look at it as an out sider, it's clear how some whould not be convinced sovergin was a reaper.

[Taboo]

Laurencio wrote...

I don't think you know what irony means...

As for 2. The whole Sovreign attacking the Citadel thing was pretty conclusive to be honest. Delusion is not the same as sceptisism.

[dreman9999]

Valentia X wrote...

Er... it's not quite the same thing. Shepard has first-hand experience in-game and concrete proof that these things have happened. IT is a theory for a reason- not because it's bad, not because it's stupid, but because the evidence isn't air-tight the way Shepard's is in game.

But Shepard has first hand experiance with indoctrination...All of ME1 and some of ME2. He knows it there , he knows the signs and he knows the reapers are after him and trying to control him.(Harbinger ME2). There even a line for this in Arrival in ME2 from Harbinger.."Struggle if you wish, you mind will be mine."
.....It's the same case.

[Dean_the_Young]

dreman9999 wrote...

It is really twisted how people don't see thing irony at all.

You misunderstand irony.

[davishepard]

DJBare wrote...

davishepard wrote...

Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?

Maybe because there's a basis for the fan fiction?


Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.

You know, people ignores that this endgame sequence was dropped (and insist to say that only the gameplay part was dropped, ignoring the meaning of "sequence" totally), so it's better don't even bring this up.

Because it's apparently too hard to read and understand that they dropped the said sequence, and put in the game a sequence with TIM where Shepard lose control of Shepard's movements and fell under TIM control. And that this control is limited only to it's body movements in both the dropped engame sequence and the sequence shown in the game.

Modifié par davishepard, 05 mai 2012 - 02:56 .

[Peytl]

There is no proof Shep was undergoing indoctrination, except the ending when TIM was controling both him and Anderson. Hell, TIM is even bragging with his new achieved power. I hope EC DLC will cut the IT where it's supposed to be: in a realm of fanfictions.

[dreman9999]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It is really twisted how people don't see thing irony at all.

You misunderstand irony.

Oh, yes....Wanting solid proof of something dangerous is happeneing when the only time it shows solid proof is after it too late to stop it is not ironic at all....

[dreman9999]

Peytl wrote...

There is no proof Shep was undergoing indoctrination, except the ending when TIM was controling both him and Anderson. Hell, TIM is even bragging with his new achieved power. I hope EC DLC will cut the IT where it's supposed to be: in a realm of fanfictions.

You missed my link in point 2...Read it and come back.

[Dean_the_Young]

dreman9999 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It is really twisted how people don't see thing irony at all.

You misunderstand irony.

Oh, yes....Wanting solid proof of something dangerous is happeneing when the only time it shows solid proof is after it too late to stop it is not ironic at all....

And it isn't. That's really not what irony is about.

[DJBare]

davishepard wrote...

DJBare wrote...

davishepard wrote...

Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?

Maybe because there's a basis for the fan fiction?


Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.

You know, people ignores that this endgame sequence was dropped (and insist to say that only the gameplay part was dropped, ignoring the meaning of "sequence" totally), so it's better don't even bring this up.

Because it's apparently too hard to read and understand that they dropped the said sequence, and put in the game a sequence with TIM where Shepard lose control of Shepard's movements and fell under TIM control. And that this control is limited only to it's body movements in both the dropped engame sequence and the sequence shown in the game.

That was not my point, people keep saying it's purely a fan fiction idea, when in fact Bioware had beaten them to it, whether they ran with it or not!

[AlexXIV]

simfamSP wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

There is the plain fact that if the IT was true then Bioware should have resolved it in game. Aka showing the player/obvserver that it was an indoctrination attempt. Though the ending as it is suggests that everything we saw actually happened. It doesn't matter how much sense the IT makes. And I am surely not anti IT. But the ending (post catalyst decision) does not support it.

You know, the devs have that power to sell DLC... They don't have to resolve everything in game. Besides, there was an interview, that's somewhere in the dark chasm of the 'lost and found' part of the internet, that suggests that BioWare was planning to have the ending in another disc.

Well to that I can only say no, the game does not need to contain all available content. That's what DLCs are for. But DLCs are usually optional content. A resolve to an ending should not be sold seperate to the actual game. That's a really bad idea and precedent.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 05 mai 2012 - 03:04 .

[AlexXIV]

DJBare wrote...

davishepard wrote...

DJBare wrote...

davishepard wrote...

Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?

Maybe because there's a basis for the fan fiction?


Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.

You know, people ignores that this endgame sequence was dropped (and insist to say that only the gameplay part was dropped, ignoring the meaning of "sequence" totally), so it's better don't even bring this up.

Because it's apparently too hard to read and understand that they dropped the said sequence, and put in the game a sequence with TIM where Shepard lose control of Shepard's movements and fell under TIM control. And that this control is limited only to it's body movements in both the dropped engame sequence and the sequence shown in the game.

That was not my point, people keep saying it's purely a fan fiction idea, when in fact Bioware had beaten them to it, whether they ran with it or not!

Well it is fanfiction if it is not the ending Bioware released. Just because they try and drop multiple scenarios throughout development doesn't mean that it is not fanfiction if people pick it up despite the fact that 'canon' of the released game is different. Nitpicky, I know. But if people make their own theories about the ending it is fanfiction.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 05 mai 2012 - 03:07 .

[davishepard]

DJBare wrote...
That was not my point, people keep saying it's purely a fan fiction idea, when in fact Bioware had beaten them to it, whether they ran with it or not!

If you fail to see the difference between a dropped engame sequence with would have Shepard movements being controlled by the Reapers and a fanfiction that says that everything that happened in the end of the game never happened, there's is a problem somewhere.