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so either the crucible was able to reprogram an AI that nobody knew was there, or it makes the Catalyst stupid by hogging resources... kinda like firefox?
Apparently someone knew it was there because the plans for the Crucible at some point in time included the Catalyst. Second, I have no idea how you get the hogging resources idea from some change in logical gates. In any case the details of how it does it have kind of a low relevancy. Based on what we know the Crucible does something to the Catalyst because it explicitly says so, it gives you three choices, and you're talking to it.
i got that from the case that nobody did program it, and there was some sort of accidental change to the personality.
The Starchild said that no organic had ever been there before. How would anyone discover it's presence and create a a device capable of reprogramming the catalyst.
The change is merely this addition of a crucible that allows 3 options. This is why he says "the crucible changed me" not when he's explaining that the old solution won't work anymore, but before he tells you what the new possibilities are.
The device was designed to work with the Citadel. Not an AI nobody knew about. Otherwise surely the Starchild would be able to activate the Crucible itself?
Uh huh. Well logical gates aren't like hogging resources.
That's an unknown and more or less unimportant because all that matters is that at some point the Catalyst was included in the design of the Crucible and the two combined stop the Reapers.
So you're limiting change to that? I don't even know why you're singling that out.
You have no conclusive knowledge of whether previous civilizations knew there was an AI there. Just because they don't know it, doesn't exclude the possibility that some previous civilization did. Everyone in the current cycle had no idea how the Crucible works. Plus, just because you build a device to interact with another device doesn't per se mean that the other has the ability to manipulate it. The design and intent of the creators dictate that.
But why even bring that up? Again, I have no idea what you're trying show.
I was addressing the only way I could think of that there could be some accidental change in personality. That's where i got resource hogging from.
He mentions the change only when he's saying there are now possiblities. He gives no indication that the change affects his personality or compels him. This is something that you've been saying.
He tells us that no organics have been there before. So tell me please, how did someone design the crucible to interact with this AI that nobody knew was there? or perhaps suggest a way they could have figured out there was an AI there?
The catalyst needed to complete the crucible is the Citadel. Unless you can tell me why the AI is needed for this device to work?
Chorban found out abot the keeper's origins and that they are programmed to do something every 50000 years just by scanning 21 of them. Who's to say someone couldn't have found out about the AI without going there?
The Catalyst is the AI. Dialogue: "I am the Catalyst, the Citadel is a part of me".
Since the Crucible uses the relay system, the Citadel being the main relay, it seems pretty likely that the AI is needed for the Crucible to fire across the relay system.
Ok then so:
Why does the Catalyst (of whom the Citadel is part of) need a reaper that it controls to stay behind and tell it when the Harvest is ready [the organic races are on the Citadel (part of the Catalyst)], so that it can send a signal to the Keepers so that they can open the Citadel relay (part of the Catalyst)? How do the Protheans sneak onto the Citadel (part of the Catalyst) and change it without alerting the Catalyst? When the Citadel receives Sovereign's signal, and the keepers aren't activated, why doesn't it let Sovereign know what's going on? Why does Sovereign have to spend thousands of years figuring out by himself, and eventually using Saren to discover the truth. Why does the Citadel (part of the catalyst) have a master control console that organics can use? Why hasn't the Catalyst made the other reapers it controls who can enter the Milky Way using FTL drives, do so in all that time?
The whole catalyst thing was probably bad writing anyways, but let's try to answer:
The Catalyst seems to be pretty isolated from the info you get in the game, how do you know it has access to all citadel systems? It's an AI, so whoever made it could've just as easily had programming "shackles" or protocols that stop it from interfering with the rest of the citadel.
The Catalyst doesn't signal the keepers, Sovereign does.
The Protheans did it via the conduit, and if the Catalyst could detect the inside of the citadel, Sovereign would be completely unnecessary.
Sovereign does know that the keepers won't respond, so uses Saren to grant access.
The citadel needs controls that the organics inside can use, such as for closing/opening the arms, how else to defend against attack(wars/etc.)?
How do you know how long the reapers would take to travel into the galaxy from dark space? There's no mention of the distance anywhere.
Best I can do with what little info there is, combined with some logic.
As I said, the whole "starchild" ending just seems badly done to me.
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Look, IT isn't actually as far fetched as some people want it to be, but neither is it the airtight, ironclad theory that others propose. The truth of the matter is, we're missing necessary data to accurately assume one way or another. We don't know for certain whether God Child is an AI (shackled or unshackled), a VI, or even an uploaded personality like the Virtual Aliens. Hell, it might even be Harbinger. There is no evidence that puts one idea ahead of the others. Everyone needs to accept this. Believe what you want, but no one outside BioWare knows the truth right now.
