CavScout wrote...
http://en.wikipedia....i/False_dilemma
Modifié par savionen, 07 mai 2012 - 12:27 .
savionen wrote...
CavScout wrote...
http://en.wikipedia....i/False_dilemma
As I said, what else are they trying to say? Why is Shepard back in London?
Either he never left London, or Bioware decided that Shepard landed back on Earth while riding the atmosphere and survived, even though it caused him to turn into a burnt crisp in ME2.
I'm open to discussion here, what happened?
balance5050 wrote...
Epyon, I like you because you know how to discuss and debate, I'm sorry when I come of as a jerk. I have to leave now though.
I had fun y'all!
savionen wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Who says Shepard is in London after picking Destroy?
Because thats very obviously where he is if you look at the background in the video. The only other option is the Citadel, however there's no concrete or rebar on the Citadel that we know of, and the color pallete is the same as London. The Citadel also... explodes.
DJBare wrote...
Maybe because there's a basis for the fan fiction?davishepard wrote...
Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?
Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.
KevShep wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Maybe because there's a basis for the fan fiction?davishepard wrote...
Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?
Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.
This is PROOF that they WERE working on an end game where shepard WAS indoctrinated, However...this does not mean that they are not now. This just means that they dropped the PART where shepard loses control and most likely went with another way to indoctrinate your shepard.
This does NOT disprove the I.T., in fact it proves it! They are just approaching it differently as they WERE trying to figure out a way to use indoctrination...funny thing is, everything in game is pointing to it!
savionen wrote...
CavScout wrote...
http://en.wikipedia....i/False_dilemma
As I said, what else are they trying to say? Why is Shepard back in London?
Either he never left London, or Bioware decided that Shepard landed back on Earth while riding the atmosphere and survived, even though it caused him to turn into a burnt crisp in ME2.
I'm open to discussion here, what happened?
Leafs43 wrote...
KevShep wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Maybe because there's a basis for the fan fiction?davishepard wrote...
Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?
Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.
This is PROOF that they WERE working on an end game where shepard WAS indoctrinated, However...this does not mean that they are not now. This just means that they dropped the PART where shepard loses control and most likely went with another way to indoctrinate your shepard.
This does NOT disprove the I.T., in fact it proves it! They are just approaching it differently as they WERE trying to figure out a way to use indoctrination...funny thing is, everything in game is pointing to it!
All that it says is that they were working on a gameplay mechanic.
Doesn't mean they scrapped the idea completely from the story. Just the gameplay portion.
CavScout wrote...
savionen wrote...
CavScout wrote...
http://en.wikipedia....i/False_dilemma
As I said, what else are they trying to say? Why is Shepard back in London?
Either he never left London, or Bioware decided that Shepard landed back on Earth while riding the atmosphere and survived, even though it caused him to turn into a burnt crisp in ME2.
I'm open to discussion here, what happened?
You are simply proposing a false dilemma. We don't even know if he is London nor do we even know if he left the Citadel. And no, there are more possibilities to Shep's leaving the Citadel than the "two options" you present.
Your assertion that if something is unexplained it must be proof of Indoctrination is ludicrous.
EpyonX3 wrote...
Leafs43 wrote...
KevShep wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Maybe because there's a basis for the fan fiction?davishepard wrote...
Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?
Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.
This is PROOF that they WERE working on an end game where shepard WAS indoctrinated, However...this does not mean that they are not now. This just means that they dropped the PART where shepard loses control and most likely went with another way to indoctrinate your shepard.
This does NOT disprove the I.T., in fact it proves it! They are just approaching it differently as they WERE trying to figure out a way to use indoctrination...funny thing is, everything in game is pointing to it!
All that it says is that they were working on a gameplay mechanic.
Doesn't mean they scrapped the idea completely from the story. Just the gameplay portion.
The difference is that the player would have known of the indoctrination attempt with the mechanic in place. Without it, the implication is that the player was not aware and it was never revealed. This would make the ending worse than face value.
EpyonX3 wrote...
Leafs43 wrote...
KevShep wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Maybe because there's a basis for the fan fiction?davishepard wrote...
Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?
Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.
This is PROOF that they WERE working on an end game where shepard WAS indoctrinated, However...this does not mean that they are not now. This just means that they dropped the PART where shepard loses control and most likely went with another way to indoctrinate your shepard.
This does NOT disprove the I.T., in fact it proves it! They are just approaching it differently as they WERE trying to figure out a way to use indoctrination...funny thing is, everything in game is pointing to it!
All that it says is that they were working on a gameplay mechanic.
Doesn't mean they scrapped the idea completely from the story. Just the gameplay portion.
The difference is that the player would have known of the indoctrination attempt with the mechanic in place. Without it, the implication is that the player was not aware and it was never revealed. This would make the ending worse than face value.
savionen wrote...
CavScout wrote...
savionen wrote...
CavScout wrote...
http://en.wikipedia....i/False_dilemma
As I said, what else are they trying to say? Why is Shepard back in London?
Either he never left London, or Bioware decided that Shepard landed back on Earth while riding the atmosphere and survived, even though it caused him to turn into a burnt crisp in ME2.
I'm open to discussion here, what happened?
You are simply proposing a false dilemma. We don't even know if he is London nor do we even know if he left the Citadel. And no, there are more possibilities to Shep's leaving the Citadel than the "two options" you present.
Your assertion that if something is unexplained it must be proof of Indoctrination is ludicrous.
We don't know what happened to Kelly after the Citadel was taken over. Maybe she was indoctrinated!
I'm entertaining the idea that indoctrination is possible to an open-ended question. It could be the Citadel, but it looks more like London to me. The reason being that they could have very easily had at least a few glowy bits or something to say "THIS IS THE CITADEL" whereas empty grunge and dust was pretty appropriate for the scenery in London.
EpyonX3 wrote...
Leafs43 wrote...
KevShep wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Maybe because there's a basis for the fan fiction?davishepard wrote...
Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?
Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.
This is PROOF that they WERE working on an end game where shepard WAS indoctrinated, However...this does not mean that they are not now. This just means that they dropped the PART where shepard loses control and most likely went with another way to indoctrinate your shepard.
This does NOT disprove the I.T., in fact it proves it! They are just approaching it differently as they WERE trying to figure out a way to use indoctrination...funny thing is, everything in game is pointing to it!
All that it says is that they were working on a gameplay mechanic.
Doesn't mean they scrapped the idea completely from the story. Just the gameplay portion.
The difference is that the player would have known of the indoctrination attempt with the mechanic in place. Without it, the implication is that the player was not aware and it was never revealed. This would make the ending worse than face value.
KevShep wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Leafs43 wrote...
KevShep wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Maybe because there's a basis for the fan fiction?davishepard wrote...
Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?
Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.
This is PROOF that they WERE working on an end game where shepard WAS indoctrinated, However...this does not mean that they are not now. This just means that they dropped the PART where shepard loses control and most likely went with another way to indoctrinate your shepard.
This does NOT disprove the I.T., in fact it proves it! They are just approaching it differently as they WERE trying to figure out a way to use indoctrination...funny thing is, everything in game is pointing to it!
All that it says is that they were working on a gameplay mechanic.
Doesn't mean they scrapped the idea completely from the story. Just the gameplay portion.
The difference is that the player would have known of the indoctrination attempt with the mechanic in place. Without it, the implication is that the player was not aware and it was never revealed. This would make the ending worse than face value.
You forget that the game is not over....yet. As Bioware has said, "you have not seen the last of your shepard".
savionen wrote...
CavScout wrote...
savionen wrote...
CavScout wrote...
http://en.wikipedia....i/False_dilemma
As I said, what else are they trying to say? Why is Shepard back in London?
Either he never left London, or Bioware decided that Shepard landed back on Earth while riding the atmosphere and survived, even though it caused him to turn into a burnt crisp in ME2.
I'm open to discussion here, what happened?
You are simply proposing a false dilemma. We don't even know if he is London nor do we even know if he left the Citadel. And no, there are more possibilities to Shep's leaving the Citadel than the "two options" you present.
Your assertion that if something is unexplained it must be proof of Indoctrination is ludicrous.
We don't know what happened to Kelly after the Citadel was taken over. Maybe she was indoctrinated!
I'm entertaining the idea that indoctrination is possible to an open-ended question. It could be the Citadel, but it looks more like London to me. The reason being that they could have very easily had at least a few glowy bits or something to say "THIS IS THE CITADEL" whereas empty grunge and dust was pretty appropriate for the scenery in London.
KevShep wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Maybe because there's a basis for the fan fiction?davishepard wrote...
Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?
Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.
This is PROOF that they WERE working on an end game where shepard WAS indoctrinated, However...this does not mean that they are not now. This just means that they dropped the PART where shepard loses control and most likely went with another way to indoctrinate your shepard.
This does NOT disprove the I.T., in fact it proves it! They are just approaching it differently as they WERE trying to figure out a way to use indoctrination...funny thing is, everything in game is pointing to it!
EpyonX3 wrote...
KevShep wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Leafs43 wrote...
KevShep wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Maybe because there's a basis for the fan fiction?davishepard wrote...
Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?
Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.
This is PROOF that they WERE working on an end game where shepard WAS indoctrinated, However...this does not mean that they are not now. This just means that they dropped the PART where shepard loses control and most likely went with another way to indoctrinate your shepard.
This does NOT disprove the I.T., in fact it proves it! They are just approaching it differently as they WERE trying to figure out a way to use indoctrination...funny thing is, everything in game is pointing to it!
All that it says is that they were working on a gameplay mechanic.
Doesn't mean they scrapped the idea completely from the story. Just the gameplay portion.
The difference is that the player would have known of the indoctrination attempt with the mechanic in place. Without it, the implication is that the player was not aware and it was never revealed. This would make the ending worse than face value.
You forget that the game is not over....yet. As Bioware has said, "you have not seen the last of your shepard".
Then that's even worse because the game says shepard became a legend by ending the reaper threat. If IT is correct, he did no such thing. The reapers are still alive and kicking and Shepard is bleeding out next to a disabled conduit.
Modifié par KevShep, 07 mai 2012 - 12:51 .
Leafs43 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Leafs43 wrote...
KevShep wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Maybe because there's a basis for the fan fiction?davishepard wrote...
Why should a care for an irony about fanfiction?
Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.
This is PROOF that they WERE working on an end game where shepard WAS indoctrinated, However...this does not mean that they are not now. This just means that they dropped the PART where shepard loses control and most likely went with another way to indoctrinate your shepard.
This does NOT disprove the I.T., in fact it proves it! They are just approaching it differently as they WERE trying to figure out a way to use indoctrination...funny thing is, everything in game is pointing to it!
All that it says is that they were working on a gameplay mechanic.
Doesn't mean they scrapped the idea completely from the story. Just the gameplay portion.
The difference is that the player would have known of the indoctrination attempt with the mechanic in place. Without it, the implication is that the player was not aware and it was never revealed. This would make the ending worse than face value.
No it doesn't.
It makes the player think.
KevShep wrote...
No no no no...Bioware went with the direction of indoctrinating you AND your shepard.
Since the game is one of immersion with your shepard (meaning that its YOUR story) then you cant indoctrinate your shepard without getting the player to think that they are not indoctrinated.....Its called being "artistic"!
KevShep wrote...
savionen wrote...
CavScout wrote...
savionen wrote...
CavScout wrote...
http://en.wikipedia....i/False_dilemma
As I said, what else are they trying to say? Why is Shepard back in London?
Either he never left London, or Bioware decided that Shepard landed back on Earth while riding the atmosphere and survived, even though it caused him to turn into a burnt crisp in ME2.
I'm open to discussion here, what happened?
You are simply proposing a false dilemma. We don't even know if he is London nor do we even know if he left the Citadel. And no, there are more possibilities to Shep's leaving the Citadel than the "two options" you present.
Your assertion that if something is unexplained it must be proof of Indoctrination is ludicrous.
We don't know what happened to Kelly after the Citadel was taken over. Maybe she was indoctrinated!
I'm entertaining the idea that indoctrination is possible to an open-ended question. It could be the Citadel, but it looks more like London to me. The reason being that they could have very easily had at least a few glowy bits or something to say "THIS IS THE CITADEL" whereas empty grunge and dust was pretty appropriate for the scenery in London.
Shepard is in fact in London at the breath sceen...
You picked destroy and destroyed ALL reaper tech including the citadel. Shepard was in a vaccume when he/she was talking to the catalyst. Some say that it was a mass effect field... well ok. Problem is, that when it blew up...all the power in the citadel went down leaving shep in a vaccume. How in the HELL do you breath in a vaccume?
EpyonX3 wrote...
Mass Effect is not a thinking game. To make the player think in the last 10 minutes of the game is another sign of bad writting. You completely change the mechanic of your story and don't even prepare your audience for it.
This is not a twist unless it is revealed to be. If we saw Shepard wake up in all three version where two of them he wakes up with husk eyes and one without, then That would have made players think and would have tipped people off.
KevShep wrote...
Shepard is in fact in London at the breath sceen...
You picked destroy and destroyed ALL reaper tech including the citadel. Shepard was in a vaccume when he/she was talking to the catalyst. Some say that it was a mass effect field... well ok. Problem is, that when it blew up...all the power in the citadel went down leaving shep in a vaccume. How in the HELL do you breath in a vaccume?
KevShep wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Mass Effect is not a thinking game. To make the player think in the last 10 minutes of the game is another sign of bad writting. You completely change the mechanic of your story and don't even prepare your audience for it.
This is not a twist unless it is revealed to be. If we saw Shepard wake up in all three version where two of them he wakes up with husk eyes and one without, then That would have made players think and would have tipped people off.
I cant believe that "some" people are saying that its bad writing (and actually believing that with no evidence) when all the evidence points to it and the same "some" of people criticise the pro-I.T. people for believing it with evidence.
EpyonX3 wrote...
KevShep wrote...
savionen wrote...
CavScout wrote...
savionen wrote...
CavScout wrote...
http://en.wikipedia....i/False_dilemma
As I said, what else are they trying to say? Why is Shepard back in London?
Either he never left London, or Bioware decided that Shepard landed back on Earth while riding the atmosphere and survived, even though it caused him to turn into a burnt crisp in ME2.
I'm open to discussion here, what happened?
You are simply proposing a false dilemma. We don't even know if he is London nor do we even know if he left the Citadel. And no, there are more possibilities to Shep's leaving the Citadel than the "two options" you present.
Your assertion that if something is unexplained it must be proof of Indoctrination is ludicrous.
We don't know what happened to Kelly after the Citadel was taken over. Maybe she was indoctrinated!
I'm entertaining the idea that indoctrination is possible to an open-ended question. It could be the Citadel, but it looks more like London to me. The reason being that they could have very easily had at least a few glowy bits or something to say "THIS IS THE CITADEL" whereas empty grunge and dust was pretty appropriate for the scenery in London.
Shepard is in fact in London at the breath sceen...
You picked destroy and destroyed ALL reaper tech including the citadel. Shepard was in a vaccume when he/she was talking to the catalyst. Some say that it was a mass effect field... well ok. Problem is, that when it blew up...all the power in the citadel went down leaving shep in a vaccume. How in the HELL do you breath in a vaccume?
Did you know that the lighting in the chamber was coming from one source of light, the crucible. Without it, it's most likely the room would have been dark just like the final scene.
There's no indication of whether power was completely off or on in the Citadel.
KevShep wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Mass Effect is not a thinking game. To make the player think in the last 10 minutes of the game is another sign of bad writting. You completely change the mechanic of your story and don't even prepare your audience for it.
This is not a twist unless it is revealed to be. If we saw Shepard wake up in all three version where two of them he wakes up with husk eyes and one without, then That would have made players think and would have tipped people off.
I cant believe that "some" people are saying that its bad writing (and actually believing that with no evidence) when all the evidence points to it and the same "some" of people criticise the pro-I.T. people for believing it with evidence.
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