CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
CavScout wrote...
here you go buddy..
A video of supposition is not evidence. Especially one that takes the liberty of modifying the video and sound to manufacture support.
Valentia X wrote...
KevShep wrote...
No the part of indoctrintation that they dropped was having shepards control taken away from you. read it again!Valentia X wrote...
KevShep wrote...
Valentia X wrote...
BW had to scrap a planned idea for creating a situation where Shepard was indoctrinated, would it not make sense for some parts of that to remain in the game?
Wrong...The part that was srcaped was the control of shepard TAKEN away from you. You need to read it word for word because you can easly get it wrong.
His statment proves that the I.T. was in the making. They just needed to find another way to pull it off.
Er, no, the statement says there was a planned segment for indoctrination that was scrapped. It's not followed by 'so we decided to just toss it in here without dialogue'. Not saying that's not the case, but it's not even circumstantial evidence at this point, and it no way belies my point- BioWare has, both in the past and in this current game, left files on the disc that were ultimately scrapped or used for other purposes, and there is nothing concrete proving that this is not the case.
I think you're missing my point, and I acknowledged that with the bolded. My point is that BioWare has, in fact, left files that eventually scrapped on the disc, and has also left other files unaltered that once had much to do with the story, but eventually got cut. There is no concrete evidence that this is not the case.
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
So you can't provide any evidence that proves I.T. false then? Didn't think so......
One does not prove a negative. The burden of proof is on your shoulders preacher man.Care to refute why they're are reflections of trees on the citadel?
You didn't provide a why. There is nothing to refute.
Perhaps you can join this thread and tell these folks how reflections prove Indoctrination Theory. Clearly IT flows into the Star Wars universe since Imperial reflections exists on the Republic station.
My why is that the simulation is imperfect, which is also what the backwards "1M1" represents, that the reapers simulation is imperfect.
CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
Yes it was.CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
Valentia X wrote...
BW had to scrap a planned idea for creating a situation where Shepard was indoctrinated, would it not make sense for some parts of that to remain in the game?
Wrong...The part that was srcaped was the control of shepard TAKEN away from you. You need to read it word for word because you can easly get it wrong.
His statment proves that the I.T. was in the making. They just needed to find another way to pull it off.
If you read it word for word, you'll notice that indoctrination isn't even mentioned.
It is not. I have the app. "Indoctrination" does not appear in that paragraph at all.
"In truth the final bits of dialogue were debated right up until the end of 2011. Martin Sheen’s voice-over session for the Illusive Man, originally scheduled for August, was delayed until mid-November so the writers would have more time to finesse the ending. And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard’s movements and fall under full Reaper control. (This sequence was ultimately dropped because the gameplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices.)-Keighley, Geoff (2012-03-15). The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 (Kindle Locations 556-560).Kindle Edition."
Modifié par balance5050, 07 mai 2012 - 03:59 .
KevShep wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
CavScout wrote...
here you go buddy..
A video of supposition is not evidence. Especially one that takes the liberty of modifying the video and sound to manufacture support.
Yes it is. You dont know that difference between evidence and proof.
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
Yes it was.CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
Valentia X wrote...
BW had to scrap a planned idea for creating a situation where Shepard was indoctrinated, would it not make sense for some parts of that to remain in the game?
Wrong...The part that was srcaped was the control of shepard TAKEN away from you. You need to read it word for word because you can easly get it wrong.
His statment proves that the I.T. was in the making. They just needed to find another way to pull it off.
If you read it word for word, you'll notice that indoctrination isn't even mentioned.
It is not. I have the app. "Indoctrination" does not appear in that paragraph at all.
"In truth the final bits of dialogue were debated right up until the end of 2011. Martin Sheen’s voice-over session for the Illusive Man, originally scheduled for August, was delayed until mid-November so the writers would have more time to finesse the ending. And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard’s movements and fall under full Reaper control. (This sequence was ultimately dropped because the gameplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices.)-Keighley, Geoff (2012-03-15). The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 (Kindle Locations 556-560).Kindle Edition."
Not the exact word, but that's what's implied
"players would suddenly lose control of Shepard’s movements and fall under full Reaper control."
Does this not imply indoctrination?
CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
Yes it was.CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
Valentia X wrote...
BW had to scrap a planned idea for creating a situation where Shepard was indoctrinated, would it not make sense for some parts of that to remain in the game?
Wrong...The part that was srcaped was the control of shepard TAKEN away from you. You need to read it word for word because you can easly get it wrong.
His statment proves that the I.T. was in the making. They just needed to find another way to pull it off.
If you read it word for word, you'll notice that indoctrination isn't even mentioned.
It is not. I have the app. "Indoctrination" does not appear in that paragraph at all.
"In truth the final bits of dialogue were debated right up until the end of 2011. Martin Sheen’s voice-over session for the Illusive Man, originally scheduled for August, was delayed until mid-November so the writers would have more time to finesse the ending. And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard’s movements and fall under full Reaper control. (This sequence was ultimately dropped because the gameplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices.)-Keighley, Geoff (2012-03-15). The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 (Kindle Locations 556-560).Kindle Edition."
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
CavScout wrote...
here you go buddy..
A video of supposition is not evidence. Especially one that takes the liberty of modifying the video and sound to manufacture support.
It's called motive, without I.T. there is no motive, just reaper propaganda.
then you are ether lost or just dont what to see it.CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
CavScout wrote...
here you go buddy..
A video of supposition is not evidence. Especially one that takes the liberty of modifying the video and sound to manufacture support.
Yes it is. You dont know that difference between evidence and proof.
That video provides neither evidence nor proof.
CavScout wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
So you can't provide any evidence that proves I.T. false then? Didn't think so......
One does not prove a negative. The burden of proof is on your shoulders preacher man.Care to refute why they're are reflections of trees on the citadel?
You didn't provide a why. There is nothing to refute.
Perhaps you can join this thread and tell these folks how reflections prove Indoctrination Theory. Clearly IT flows into the Star Wars universe since Imperial reflections exists on the Republic station.
My why is that the simulation is imperfect, which is also what the backwards "1M1" represents, that the reapers simulation is imperfect.
You're supposing some meaning to graphics in the game. You believe IT so then it follows what you see support IT. It is a logical fallacy though.
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
Yes it was.CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
Valentia X wrote...
BW had to scrap a planned idea for creating a situation where Shepard was indoctrinated, would it not make sense for some parts of that to remain in the game?
Wrong...The part that was srcaped was the control of shepard TAKEN away from you. You need to read it word for word because you can easly get it wrong.
His statment proves that the I.T. was in the making. They just needed to find another way to pull it off.
If you read it word for word, you'll notice that indoctrination isn't even mentioned.
It is not. I have the app. "Indoctrination" does not appear in that paragraph at all.
"In truth the final bits of dialogue were debated right up until the end of 2011. Martin Sheen’s voice-over session for the Illusive Man, originally scheduled for August, was delayed until mid-November so the writers would have more time to finesse the ending. And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard’s movements and fall under full Reaper control. (This sequence was ultimately dropped because the gameplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices.)-Keighley, Geoff (2012-03-15). The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 (Kindle Locations 556-560).Kindle Edition."
Not the exact word, but that's what's implied
"players would suddenly lose control of Shepard’s movements and fall under full Reaper control."
Does this not imply indoctrination?
CavScout wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
CavScout wrote...
here you go buddy..
A video of supposition is not evidence. Especially one that takes the liberty of modifying the video and sound to manufacture support.
It's called motive, without I.T. there is no motive, just reaper propaganda.
The video clearly has a motive, one for which it will edit video and sound to push.
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
So you can't provide any evidence that proves I.T. false then? Didn't think so......
One does not prove a negative. The burden of proof is on your shoulders preacher man.Care to refute why they're are reflections of trees on the citadel?
You didn't provide a why. There is nothing to refute.
Perhaps you can join this thread and tell these folks how reflections prove Indoctrination Theory. Clearly IT flows into the Star Wars universe since Imperial reflections exists on the Republic station.
My why is that the simulation is imperfect, which is also what the backwards "1M1" represents, that the reapers simulation is imperfect.
You're supposing some meaning to graphics in the game. You believe IT so then it follows what you see support IT. It is a logical fallacy though.
You're standing for nothing right now. I said what I think the tree reflections mean, now would you be so kind as to give your own interpretation of them please?
They become bigger and brighter when you have higher EMS and more choices.
CavScout wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Not the exact word, but that's what's implied
"players would suddenly lose control of Shepard’s movements and fall under full Reaper control."
Does this not imply indoctrination?
Like I said, indoctrination isn't mention in the paragraph. Why can't the folks who claimed it was just admit it wasn't?
Modifié par balance5050, 07 mai 2012 - 04:05 .
liggy002 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
Yes it was.CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
Valentia X wrote...
BW had to scrap a planned idea for creating a situation where Shepard was indoctrinated, would it not make sense for some parts of that to remain in the game?
Wrong...The part that was srcaped was the control of shepard TAKEN away from you. You need to read it word for word because you can easly get it wrong.
His statment proves that the I.T. was in the making. They just needed to find another way to pull it off.
If you read it word for word, you'll notice that indoctrination isn't even mentioned.
It is not. I have the app. "Indoctrination" does not appear in that paragraph at all.
"In truth the final bits of dialogue were debated right up until the end of 2011. Martin Sheen’s voice-over session for the Illusive Man, originally scheduled for August, was delayed until mid-November so the writers would have more time to finesse the ending. And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard’s movements and fall under full Reaper control. (This sequence was ultimately dropped because the gameplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices.)-Keighley, Geoff (2012-03-15). The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 (Kindle Locations 556-560).Kindle Edition."
Not the exact word, but that's what's implied
"players would suddenly lose control of Shepard’s movements and fall under full Reaper control."
Does this not imply indoctrination?
Well it's either Shepard is a husk or his mind is under the control of the Reapers. So, yes.
CavScout wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
So you can't provide any evidence that proves I.T. false then? Didn't think so......
One does not prove a negative. The burden of proof is on your shoulders preacher man.Care to refute why they're are reflections of trees on the citadel?
You didn't provide a why. There is nothing to refute.
Perhaps you can join this thread and tell these folks how reflections prove Indoctrination Theory. Clearly IT flows into the Star Wars universe since Imperial reflections exists on the Republic station.
My why is that the simulation is imperfect, which is also what the backwards "1M1" represents, that the reapers simulation is imperfect.
You're supposing some meaning to graphics in the game. You believe IT so then it follows what you see support IT. It is a logical fallacy though.
You're standing for nothing right now. I said what I think the tree reflections mean, now would you be so kind as to give your own interpretation of them please?
They become bigger and brighter when you have higher EMS and more choices.
What do the relections mean in the link I provided?
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
CavScout wrote...
here you go buddy..
A video of supposition is not evidence. Especially one that takes the liberty of modifying the video and sound to manufacture support.
It's called motive, without I.T. there is no motive, just reaper propaganda.
The video clearly has a motive, one for which it will edit video and sound to push.
Video and sound from the game....
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Not the exact word, but that's what's implied
"players would suddenly lose control of Shepard’s movements and fall under full Reaper control."
Does this not imply indoctrination?
Like I said, indoctrination isn't mention in the paragraph. Why can't the folks who claimed it was just admit it wasn't?
full Reaper control = indoctrination
Modifié par DTKT, 07 mai 2012 - 04:09 .
CavScout wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
CavScout wrote...
here you go buddy..
A video of supposition is not evidence. Especially one that takes the liberty of modifying the video and sound to manufacture support.
It's called motive, without I.T. there is no motive, just reaper propaganda.
The video clearly has a motive, one for which it will edit video and sound to push.
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout What do the relections mean in the link I provided?
Please keep up, the pictures of the trees that appear in the catalyst chamber.
DTKT wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
CavScout wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Not the exact word, but that's what's implied
"players would suddenly lose control of Shepard’s movements and fall under full Reaper control."
Does this not imply indoctrination?
Like I said, indoctrination isn't mention in the paragraph. Why can't the folks who claimed it was just admit it wasn't?
full Reaper control = indoctrination
Bold and italics won't change a thing. It could mean that the player cannot control Shepard movements. Which would imply that someone else is controlling him. In this case, the Reapers.
This is the worst debate in the history of the internet.
KevShep wrote...
CavScout wrote...
The video clearly has a motive, one for which it will edit video and sound to push.
This is a better video.....
CavScout wrote...
KevShep wrote...
CavScout wrote...
The video clearly has a motive, one for which it will edit video and sound to push.
This is a better video.....
At which point to you acknowledge the "evidence" you put forth was crap? When you get smacked down, you just throw more junk at the wall hoping that something sticks.
KevShep wrote...
The most important part your missing is that at the end of that comment they said that the ending was coming together which means that they are in the LAST days of development. This means that I.T. is VERY possible also givin the notion that they needed more time to finish it by giving us a "speculation from everyone" ending...ever wondered why?
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