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[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout What do the relections mean in the link I provided?

Please keep up, the pictures of the trees that appear in the catalyst chamber.

Let me help you out. It seems you skip over the link. Maybe you'll take a look and explain to me how IT got there.

Unrelated link is unrelated, Old republic is a different team.

There are multiple cubemaps for the end sequence, all with trees, if it was simple asset reuse, there would only be one cubemap, and still the question remains, why are there trees in space?

[CavScout]

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...
The video clearly has a motive, one for which it will edit video and sound to push.

 
This is a better video.....    

At which point to you acknowledge the "evidence" you put forth was crap? When you get smacked down, you just throw more junk at the wall hoping that something sticks.

Iam done talking to you a while ago because you will not even consider the evidence (or what ever you WANT to call it) so Iam just giving you videos because Iam not wasting my time if you will not have a discusion with me about it.

So you are just throwing stuff at the wall, hoping somehting sticks....

[KevShep]

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...



The most important part your missing is that at the end of that comment they said that the ending was coming together which means that they are in the LAST days of development. This means that I.T. is VERY possible also givin the notion that they needed more time to finish it by giving us a "speculation from everyone" ending...ever wondered why?

They also said that all love interests would be handled equally and we wouldn't be given an A. B. C. ending, and they weren't, and that's what we got. Even if IT was true, it's still an A, B, C, ending.

And in any event, you haven't answered the question. Given that BioWare has, in the fact, left scrapped material in game files on the disc, and left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well, mean that, reasonably- not for certain, but reasonably- there stands a chance that some of the proof is, in fact, merely leftovers from scrapped material?

The left over material is never in the actuall game...you have to dig in files to find them.

[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...
The video clearly has a motive, one for which it will edit video and sound to push.

 
This is a better video.....    

At which point to you acknowledge the "evidence" you put forth was crap? When you get smacked down, you just throw more junk at the wall hoping that something sticks.

Your need to be validated is apparent.

[balance5050]

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[CavScout]

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout What do the relections mean in the link I provided?

Please keep up, the pictures of the trees that appear in the catalyst chamber.

Let me help you out. It seems you skip over the link. Maybe you'll take a look and explain to me how IT got there.

Unrelated link is unrelated, Old republic is a different team.

There are multiple cubemaps for the end sequence, all with trees, if it was simple asset reuse, there would only be one cubemap, and still the question remains, why are there trees in space?

Wait, you are claiming reflections in the graphics is evidence of Indoctrination. How can this be if other games, without it, have the same grapical glitches?

[KevShep]

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...
The video clearly has a motive, one for which it will edit video and sound to push.

 
This is a better video.....    

At which point to you acknowledge the "evidence" you put forth was crap? When you get smacked down, you just throw more junk at the wall hoping that something sticks.

Iam done talking to you a while ago because you will not even consider the evidence (or what ever you WANT to call it) so Iam just giving you videos because Iam not wasting my time if you will not have a discusion with me about it.

So you are just throwing stuff at the wall, hoping somehting sticks....

No... You have made up your mind before you even see what is there to see. This then makes any kind of discusion impossible. You have a biased stance on it from the start. I have been on both sides of this debate at one time or another and I was a really big Bioware basher untill I dug around, I now support the I.T.

[CavScout]

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...
The video clearly has a motive, one for which it will edit video and sound to push.

 
This is a better video.....    

At which point to you acknowledge the "evidence" you put forth was crap? When you get smacked down, you just throw more junk at the wall hoping that something sticks.

Iam done talking to you a while ago because you will not even consider the evidence (or what ever you WANT to call it) so Iam just giving you videos because Iam not wasting my time if you will not have a discusion with me about it.

So you are just throwing stuff at the wall, hoping somehting sticks....

No... You have made up your mind before you even see what is there to see. This then makes any kind of discusion impossible. You have a biased stance on it from the start. I have been on both sides of this debate at one time or another and I was a really big Bioware basher untill I dug around, I now support the I.T.

I've seen the videos. Heck I even told you the specific issues I have with one of them.

But an IT faithful follower accusing me of bias is kinda of sweet.

[dreman9999]

LaZy i IS wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

LaZy i IS wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

LaZy i IS wrote...

@OP
The IT is derived using circular logic and evidence that is at best, circumstantial.

IT at this point like said in my last post a theory created by the fans to help them deal with the ending and keep them able to play ME3 or the ME series over. If IT was true it wouldve been made plainly obivious or hinted at bigger than it was. 

Yeah. Well put.
Also, most of the "evidence" for IT has a much simpler non-IT explanation.

Heck, most "evidence" for IT isn't even evidence. Most are un-related points that IT folks try and connect. Simple apophenia.

http://social.biowar...75/blog/212630/ 

Like I said, circumstantial evidence and circular logic.

Fact 1. People are indoctrinated by being near reapers and reaper tech. 

Fact 2. People that at are under the process of indoctrination here whispers.

Fact 3.Shepard is near allot of reaper tech through out ME1 and ME2.  

You can't look at this first or you end up with circular logic...

Theory should follow evidence, not the other way around.

How is it circular logic if the lore and story states this is how indoctrination works? These are facts, meaning they are evidence to support the theory. Also, I would you refer you to the first statemnet for this topic on the case of proof...

[KevShep]

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...
The video clearly has a motive, one for which it will edit video and sound to push.

 
This is a better video.....    

At which point to you acknowledge the "evidence" you put forth was crap? When you get smacked down, you just throw more junk at the wall hoping that something sticks.

Iam done talking to you a while ago because you will not even consider the evidence (or what ever you WANT to call it) so Iam just giving you videos because Iam not wasting my time if you will not have a discusion with me about it.

So you are just throwing stuff at the wall, hoping somehting sticks....

No... You have made up your mind before you even see what is there to see. This then makes any kind of discusion impossible. You have a biased stance on it from the start. I have been on both sides of this debate at one time or another and I was a really big Bioware basher untill I dug around, I now support the I.T.

I've seen the videos. Heck I even told you the specific issues I have with one of them.

But an IT faithful follower accusing me of bias is kinda of sweet.

You have not watched them since you have to read them and youve been on here for awhile. Also youve told me nothing on the "issues" with them.
BTW are you saying your open minded? cause you just bashing.

[Raiil]

KevShep wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...



The most important part your missing is that at the end of that comment they said that the ending was coming together which means that they are in the LAST days of development. This means that I.T. is VERY possible also givin the notion that they needed more time to finish it by giving us a "speculation from everyone" ending...ever wondered why?

They also said that all love interests would be handled equally and we wouldn't be given an A. B. C. ending, and they weren't, and that's what we got. Even if IT was true, it's still an A, B, C, ending.

And in any event, you haven't answered the question. Given that BioWare has, in the fact, left scrapped material in game files on the disc, and left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well, mean that, reasonably- not for certain, but reasonably- there stands a chance that some of the proof is, in fact, merely leftovers from scrapped material?

The left over material is never in the actuall game...you have to dig in files to find them.

And you're glossing over the second part:  'left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well. ' This would explain recycling the original indoc wavy lines and the trees that reportedly exist in reflection on the Citadel. I am not asking you to take this as gospel, I am asking you that, given previous BioWare games and their history of doing so, it is not a reasonable alternative that this could be the case?

[KevShep]

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...



The most important part your missing is that at the end of that comment they said that the ending was coming together which means that they are in the LAST days of development. This means that I.T. is VERY possible also givin the notion that they needed more time to finish it by giving us a "speculation from everyone" ending...ever wondered why?

They also said that all love interests would be handled equally and we wouldn't be given an A. B. C. ending, and they weren't, and that's what we got. Even if IT was true, it's still an A, B, C, ending.

And in any event, you haven't answered the question. Given that BioWare has, in the fact, left scrapped material in game files on the disc, and left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well, mean that, reasonably- not for certain, but reasonably- there stands a chance that some of the proof is, in fact, merely leftovers from scrapped material?

The left over material is never in the actuall game...you have to dig in files to find them.

And you're glossing over the second part:  'left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well. ' This would explain recycling the original indoc wavy lines and the trees that reportedly exist in reflection on the Citadel. I am not asking you to take this as gospel, I am asking you that, given previous BioWare games and their history of doing so, it is not a reasonable alternative that this could be the case?

 I understand but what Iam saying is why would they then give us an ending that was promised to not have an A, B, or C ending and then say they want "speculations from everyone" if there is nothing more to the plot intended?

[DTKT]

KevShep wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...



The most important part your missing is that at the end of that comment they said that the ending was coming together which means that they are in the LAST days of development. This means that I.T. is VERY possible also givin the notion that they needed more time to finish it by giving us a "speculation from everyone" ending...ever wondered why?

They also said that all love interests would be handled equally and we wouldn't be given an A. B. C. ending, and they weren't, and that's what we got. Even if IT was true, it's still an A, B, C, ending.

And in any event, you haven't answered the question. Given that BioWare has, in the fact, left scrapped material in game files on the disc, and left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well, mean that, reasonably- not for certain, but reasonably- there stands a chance that some of the proof is, in fact, merely leftovers from scrapped material?

The left over material is never in the actuall game...you have to dig in files to find them.

And you're glossing over the second part:  'left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well. ' This would explain recycling the original indoc wavy lines and the trees that reportedly exist in reflection on the Citadel. I am not asking you to take this as gospel, I am asking you that, given previous BioWare games and their history of doing so, it is not a reasonable alternative that this could be the case?

 I understand but what Iam saying is why would they then give us an ending that was promised to not have an A, B, or C ending and then say they want "speculations from everyone" if there is nothing more to the plot intended?

Running out of time/money? Is that something you refuse to believe?

[Raiil]

KevShep wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...



The most important part your missing is that at the end of that comment they said that the ending was coming together which means that they are in the LAST days of development. This means that I.T. is VERY possible also givin the notion that they needed more time to finish it by giving us a "speculation from everyone" ending...ever wondered why?

They also said that all love interests would be handled equally and we wouldn't be given an A. B. C. ending, and they weren't, and that's what we got. Even if IT was true, it's still an A, B, C, ending.

And in any event, you haven't answered the question. Given that BioWare has, in the fact, left scrapped material in game files on the disc, and left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well, mean that, reasonably- not for certain, but reasonably- there stands a chance that some of the proof is, in fact, merely leftovers from scrapped material?

The left over material is never in the actuall game...you have to dig in files to find them.

And you're glossing over the second part:  'left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well. ' This would explain recycling the original indoc wavy lines and the trees that reportedly exist in reflection on the Citadel. I am not asking you to take this as gospel, I am asking you that, given previous BioWare games and their history of doing so, it is not a reasonable alternative that this could be the case?

 I understand but what Iam saying is why would they then give us an ending that was promised to not have an A, B, or C ending and then say they want "speculations from everyone" if there is nothing more to the plot intended?

Kev, I am asking you for a simple yes or no answer. 

I am not asking you to deny IT.
I am not asking you for irefutable proof of IT.
I am not asking you for a deep answer.
I am not asking you for your opinion on the Final Apps information. I am well aware of what it says.

I am asking you for a simple yes or no: does the fact that BioWare has a record of leaving portions of cut/scrapped material on the discs, and in game, mean that as a reasonable alternative to IT, they may have simply recycled some parts like the tree reflections and the indoc squiggly rays?

That is all I am asking you at the moment.

[CavScout]

dreman9999 wrote...

LaZy i IS wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

LaZy i IS wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

LaZy i IS wrote...

@OP
The IT is derived using circular logic and evidence that is at best, circumstantial.

IT at this point like said in my last post a theory created by the fans to help them deal with the ending and keep them able to play ME3 or the ME series over. If IT was true it wouldve been made plainly obivious or hinted at bigger than it was. 

Yeah. Well put.
Also, most of the "evidence" for IT has a much simpler non-IT explanation.

Heck, most "evidence" for IT isn't even evidence. Most are un-related points that IT folks try and connect. Simple apophenia.

http://social.biowar...75/blog/212630/ 

Like I said, circumstantial evidence and circular logic.

Fact 1. People are indoctrinated by being near reapers and reaper tech. 

Fact 2. People that at are under the process of indoctrination here whispers.

Fact 3.Shepard is near allot of reaper tech through out ME1 and ME2.  

You can't look at this first or you end up with circular logic...

Theory should follow evidence, not the other way around.

How is it circular logic if the lore and story states this is how indoctrination works? These are facts, meaning they are evidence to support the theory. Also, I would you refer you to the first statemnet for this topic on the case of proof...

You missed the point. I just can't tell if it is out of ignorance, malice or something else. Maybe this will help: http://en.wikipedia....cular_reasoning

[balance5050]

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...



The most important part your missing is that at the end of that comment they said that the ending was coming together which means that they are in the LAST days of development. This means that I.T. is VERY possible also givin the notion that they needed more time to finish it by giving us a "speculation from everyone" ending...ever wondered why?

They also said that all love interests would be handled equally and we wouldn't be given an A. B. C. ending, and they weren't, and that's what we got. Even if IT was true, it's still an A, B, C, ending.

And in any event, you haven't answered the question. Given that BioWare has, in the fact, left scrapped material in game files on the disc, and left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well, mean that, reasonably- not for certain, but reasonably- there stands a chance that some of the proof is, in fact, merely leftovers from scrapped material?

The left over material is never in the actuall game...you have to dig in files to find them.

And you're glossing over the second part:  'left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well. ' This would explain recycling the original indoc wavy lines and the trees that reportedly exist in reflection on the Citadel. I am not asking you to take this as gospel, I am asking you that, given previous BioWare games and their history of doing so, it is not a reasonable alternative that this could be the case?

 I understand but what Iam saying is why would they then give us an ending that was promised to not have an A, B, or C ending and then say they want "speculations from everyone" if there is nothing more to the plot intended?

Kev, I am asking you for a simple yes or no answer. 

I am not asking you to deny IT.
I am not asking you for irefutable proof of IT.
I am not asking you for a deep answer.
I am not asking you for your opinion on the Final Apps information. I am well aware of what it says.

I am asking you for a simple yes or no: does the fact that BioWare has a record of leaving portions of cut/scrapped material on the discs, and in game, mean that as a reasonable alternative to IT, they may have simply recycled some parts like the tree reflections and the indoc squiggly rays?

That is all I am asking you at the moment.

It's reasonable, but not conducive to speculation. And the Shepard Alive scene can't be explained by asset re-use.

[KevShep]

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...



The most important part your missing is that at the end of that comment they said that the ending was coming together which means that they are in the LAST days of development. This means that I.T. is VERY possible also givin the notion that they needed more time to finish it by giving us a "speculation from everyone" ending...ever wondered why?

They also said that all love interests would be handled equally and we wouldn't be given an A. B. C. ending, and they weren't, and that's what we got. Even if IT was true, it's still an A, B, C, ending.

And in any event, you haven't answered the question. Given that BioWare has, in the fact, left scrapped material in game files on the disc, and left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well, mean that, reasonably- not for certain, but reasonably- there stands a chance that some of the proof is, in fact, merely leftovers from scrapped material?

The left over material is never in the actuall game...you have to dig in files to find them.

And you're glossing over the second part:  'left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well. ' This would explain recycling the original indoc wavy lines and the trees that reportedly exist in reflection on the Citadel. I am not asking you to take this as gospel, I am asking you that, given previous BioWare games and their history of doing so, it is not a reasonable alternative that this could be the case?

 I understand but what Iam saying is why would they then give us an ending that was promised to not have an A, B, or C ending and then say they want "speculations from everyone" if there is nothing more to the plot intended?

Kev, I am asking you for a simple yes or no answer. 

I am not asking you to deny IT.
I am not asking you for irefutable proof of IT.
I am not asking you for a deep answer.
I am not asking you for your opinion on the Final Apps information. I am well aware of what it says.

I am asking you for a simple yes or no: does the fact that BioWare has a record of leaving portions of cut/scrapped material on the discs, and in game, mean that as a reasonable alternative to IT, they may have simply recycled some parts like the tree reflections and the indoc squiggly rays?

That is all I am asking you at the moment.

Yes they can. Why were you asking in the first place by the way?

[CavScout]

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...
The video clearly has a motive, one for which it will edit video and sound to push.

 
This is a better video.....    

At which point to you acknowledge the "evidence" you put forth was crap? When you get smacked down, you just throw more junk at the wall hoping that something sticks.

Iam done talking to you a while ago because you will not even consider the evidence (or what ever you WANT to call it) so Iam just giving you videos because Iam not wasting my time if you will not have a discusion with me about it.

So you are just throwing stuff at the wall, hoping somehting sticks....

No... You have made up your mind before you even see what is there to see. This then makes any kind of discusion impossible. You have a biased stance on it from the start. I have been on both sides of this debate at one time or another and I was a really big Bioware basher untill I dug around, I now support the I.T.

I've seen the videos. Heck I even told you the specific issues I have with one of them.

But an IT faithful follower accusing me of bias is kinda of sweet.

You have not watched them since you have to read them and youve been on here for awhile. Also youve told me nothing on the "issues" with them.
BTW are you saying your open minded? cause you just bashing.

Now you're calling me a liar... brilliant. Maybe something you'll say will stick eventually. Keep throwing stuff at the wall.

[CavScout]

balance5050 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...
Kev, I am asking you for a simple yes or no answer. 

I am not asking you to deny IT.
I am not asking you for irefutable proof of IT.
I am not asking you for a deep answer.
I am not asking you for your opinion on the Final Apps information. I am well aware of what it says.

I am asking you for a simple yes or no: does the fact that BioWare has a record of leaving portions of cut/scrapped material on the discs, and in game, mean that as a reasonable alternative to IT, they may have simply recycled some parts like the tree reflections and the indoc squiggly rays?

That is all I am asking you at the moment.

It's reasonable, but not conducive to speculation. And the Shepard Alive scene can't be explained by asset re-use.

Non sequitur alert!

Modifié par CavScout, 07 mai 2012 - 04:45 .

[KevShep]

DTKT wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...



The most important part your missing is that at the end of that comment they said that the ending was coming together which means that they are in the LAST days of development. This means that I.T. is VERY possible also givin the notion that they needed more time to finish it by giving us a "speculation from everyone" ending...ever wondered why?

They also said that all love interests would be handled equally and we wouldn't be given an A. B. C. ending, and they weren't, and that's what we got. Even if IT was true, it's still an A, B, C, ending.

And in any event, you haven't answered the question. Given that BioWare has, in the fact, left scrapped material in game files on the disc, and left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well, mean that, reasonably- not for certain, but reasonably- there stands a chance that some of the proof is, in fact, merely leftovers from scrapped material?

The left over material is never in the actuall game...you have to dig in files to find them.

And you're glossing over the second part:  'left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well. ' This would explain recycling the original indoc wavy lines and the trees that reportedly exist in reflection on the Citadel. I am not asking you to take this as gospel, I am asking you that, given previous BioWare games and their history of doing so, it is not a reasonable alternative that this could be the case?

 I understand but what Iam saying is why would they then give us an ending that was promised to not have an A, B, or C ending and then say they want "speculations from everyone" if there is nothing more to the plot intended?

Running out of time/money? Is that something you refuse to believe?

Yes because of Casey Hudson and what he said about the endings being the best in history and being unforgettable.

[DTKT]

balance5050 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

KevShep wrote...



The most important part your missing is that at the end of that comment they said that the ending was coming together which means that they are in the LAST days of development. This means that I.T. is VERY possible also givin the notion that they needed more time to finish it by giving us a "speculation from everyone" ending...ever wondered why?

They also said that all love interests would be handled equally and we wouldn't be given an A. B. C. ending, and they weren't, and that's what we got. Even if IT was true, it's still an A, B, C, ending.

And in any event, you haven't answered the question. Given that BioWare has, in the fact, left scrapped material in game files on the disc, and left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well, mean that, reasonably- not for certain, but reasonably- there stands a chance that some of the proof is, in fact, merely leftovers from scrapped material?

The left over material is never in the actuall game...you have to dig in files to find them.

And you're glossing over the second part:  'left portions of cut missions, dialogue, etc on there as well. ' This would explain recycling the original indoc wavy lines and the trees that reportedly exist in reflection on the Citadel. I am not asking you to take this as gospel, I am asking you that, given previous BioWare games and their history of doing so, it is not a reasonable alternative that this could be the case?

 I understand but what Iam saying is why would they then give us an ending that was promised to not have an A, B, or C ending and then say they want "speculations from everyone" if there is nothing more to the plot intended?

Kev, I am asking you for a simple yes or no answer. 

I am not asking you to deny IT.
I am not asking you for irefutable proof of IT.
I am not asking you for a deep answer.
I am not asking you for your opinion on the Final Apps information. I am well aware of what it says.

I am asking you for a simple yes or no: does the fact that BioWare has a record of leaving portions of cut/scrapped material on the discs, and in game, mean that as a reasonable alternative to IT, they may have simply recycled some parts like the tree reflections and the indoc squiggly rays?

That is all I am asking you at the moment.

It's reasonable, but not conducive to speculation. And the Shepard Alive scene can't be explained by asset re-use.

How about, it's the only scene where there is a corpse left? Both Synthesis and Control use Shepard body as a conduit to activate the Crucible. Destroy is the only one where you actually don't use the Crucible.

[CavScout]

KevShep wrote...

DTKT wrote...

Running out of time/money? Is that something you refuse to believe?

Yes because of Casey Hudson and what he said about the endings being the best in history and being unforgettable.

You seem to gloss over the fact that CH says nothing about IT...

[KevShep]

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

CavScout wrote...
The video clearly has a motive, one for which it will edit video and sound to push.

 
This is a better video.....    

At which point to you acknowledge the "evidence" you put forth was crap? When you get smacked down, you just throw more junk at the wall hoping that something sticks.

Iam done talking to you a while ago because you will not even consider the evidence (or what ever you WANT to call it) so Iam just giving you videos because Iam not wasting my time if you will not have a discusion with me about it.

So you are just throwing stuff at the wall, hoping somehting sticks....

No... You have made up your mind before you even see what is there to see. This then makes any kind of discusion impossible. You have a biased stance on it from the start. I have been on both sides of this debate at one time or another and I was a really big Bioware basher untill I dug around, I now support the I.T.

I've seen the videos. Heck I even told you the specific issues I have with one of them.

But an IT faithful follower accusing me of bias is kinda of sweet.

You have not watched them since you have to read them and youve been on here for awhile. Also youve told me nothing on the "issues" with them.
BTW are you saying your open minded? cause you just bashing.

Now you're calling me a liar... brilliant. Maybe something you'll say will stick eventually. Keep throwing stuff at the wall.

 Yeah, sure ok!

[KevShep]

CavScout wrote...

KevShep wrote...

DTKT wrote...

Running out of time/money? Is that something you refuse to believe?

Yes because of Casey Hudson and what he said about the endings being the best in history and being unforgettable.

You seem to gloss over the fact that CH says nothing about IT...

(sigh) Iam not mentioning the I.T. in this post...are you kinding me?!

[Reth Shepherd]

SPOILERS FOR MASS EFFECT: RETRIBUTION (Sorry about the caps, trying to make the line as obvious as possible.)





So, near the end of Retribution, we have Kahlee Sanders talking to Paul Grayson, or rather, to the Reapers controlling his body. The following happens.

Scene starts out with Kahlee and Grayson/Reapers walking and talking. At the beginning of the chat, Kahlee is arguing his logic, arguing that chaos is part of what makes us unique, that uniqueness is a good thing, and that she doesn't want to be ascended, she want to be herself. However, by the end of the conversation:

The words didn't really make any kind of compelling argument, but she felt as if there was some deeper meaning to them.

(Reaper quote amounting to 'we are infinity, you are nothing; you should give in to us'.)

The more Grayson spoke, the more his words seemed to make sense on a deep, almost subconscious level.

(Reaper quote amounting to 'resistance is futile'.)

Kahlee was so far under the Reapers's (sic) spell, she wasn't even aware she was nodding along in agreement.

Anyone who's finished the game has witnessed a very similar scene. Shepard meets the Starkid, starts out by arguing with his logic, and ends by offering only the vaguest resistance to his logic and proposals.
"Maybe."
"So the Illusive Man was right after all."
"I...don't know."
All that's lacking is the nodding along. In each case, the person being persuaded was right next to an avatar of the Reapers, and in each case the conversation continued for a few minutes. Whether or not a victim is already indoctrinated, it seems it is possible for the Reapers to exert some form of control over his/her mind. While not IT proper, this scene does seem to indicate that there was SOME form of mind-control going on in the Starkid scene.

Modifié par Reth Shepherd, 07 mai 2012 - 04:57 .