1. There are cables that can be found only on the Citadel (and it's not rebar as IT keeps repeating) There are no cables anywhere close to the Conduit. If you listen closely the scene after Shep wakes up, you can hear screeching noises that sound as a ship rocking on a sea.
The hallucination may have started on the citadel, when Shepard passed out from blood loss.
So wouldn't Shepard wake up where he left off, in the control room?
Yes, after the crucible goes boom, debris could fall into the control room, makes more sense than a megaton explosion going off not 10 meters above your head, no?
But then that implies that the crucible never fired and the reapers live. At least in two of the three scenarios.
And I don't think the actual crucible blew up. But let's not get into all that. There's way too little footage to get into.
What I mean is, you activate the crucible from the command console, but you see it as the catalyst scene. So the rubble would be from the explosion that happens near where the crucible is.
1. There are cables that can be found only on the Citadel (and it's not rebar as IT keeps repeating) There are no cables anywhere close to the Conduit. If you listen closely the scene after Shep wakes up, you can hear screeching noises that sound as a ship rocking on a sea.
Thats iffy at best. you cant breath in a vaccume as shepard would since destroy destroys all reaper tech(like the citadel).
notice the gray concrete blocks, here is a video of london...
I keep posting this video, I wonder if people recognize it by the link by now. I know Balance5050 might lol.
some one needs to do a fly cam of the harbinger beam part of london on the sides were the rubble is.
CavScout wrote... You missed the point. I just can't tell if it is out of ignorance, malice or something else. Maybe this will help: http://en.wikipedia....cular_reasoning
But it's still not circular or circumstantial.
You missing the point that the base nature of of where indoctrination comes from is stated in myfirst point is illustation how it works. My third point is pointed to the chances Shepard could be indoctrinated. It can only be a circular logic if fact1 was the only fact used. But I'm using 8.......Out of the 8, 3 stated how it works, 2 state the shown simtums of indoctrination,2 show the times Shepard got in contact with indoctination waves, and1 is illustating that Shep show symtom of indoctrination.
The problem is you cut a few out to focus on when the point is that all points have to be seen as one. All my point is say that Shepard is near reaper tech from the start of ME1 through ME3...This tech has the chance to indoctrinated him. That the signs of it is whispers and strange dreams......And suddenly, after years of being near reaper tech, shepard is having strange dreams with whispers in it. It deductive. It 's the same logic use with colds and sickness, ifyour near a sick person alot their is a chance you will get sick. That's deductive , not circular.
There is no "evidence" of IT in the game unless one starts out with the assumption that IT is in the game. Heck, you making a dream not a dream but evidence of Indoctrination.
1. There are cables that can be found only on the Citadel (and it's not rebar as IT keeps repeating) There are no cables anywhere close to the Conduit. If you listen closely the scene after Shep wakes up, you can hear screeching noises that sound as a ship rocking on a sea.
The hallucination may have started on the citadel, when Shepard passed out from blood loss.
So wouldn't Shepard wake up where he left off, in the control room?
Yes, after the crucible goes boom, debris could fall into the control room, makes more sense than a megaton explosion going off not 10 meters above your head, no?
What I mean by this is that the casper scene could be meant to influence what you do at the command console.
also looks like the rebar in the Tuchanka-bomb mission.
You can try to call it rebar or not but I made sure that the Tuchanka rebar is not what we see in the breathe scene. I posted it in the main IT thread.
I also posted brighter pics of the objetcs in the breathe scene and you can make out the individual cables in the bundle. I don't have the link at the moment.
1. There are cables that can be found only on the Citadel (and it's not rebar as IT keeps repeating) There are no cables anywhere close to the Conduit. If you listen closely the scene after Shep wakes up, you can hear screeching noises that sound as a ship rocking on a sea.
The hallucination may have started on the citadel, when Shepard passed out from blood loss.
So wouldn't Shepard wake up where he left off, in the control room?
Yes, after the crucible goes boom, debris could fall into the control room, makes more sense than a megaton explosion going off not 10 meters above your head, no?
But then that implies that the crucible never fired and the reapers live. At least in two of the three scenarios.
And I don't think the actual crucible blew up. But let's not get into all that. There's way too little footage to get into.
What I mean is, you activate the crucible from the command console, but you see it as the catalyst scene. So the rubble would be from the explosion that happens near where the crucible is.
Heh. I hadn't thought about the crucible and the citadel being separate pieces. That could explain it. And maybe the place where you are has at least some kind of shielding.
also looks like the rebar in the Tuchanka-bomb mission.
You can try to call it rebar or not but I made sure that the Tuchanka rebar is not what we see in the breathe scene. I posted it in the main IT thread.
I also posted brighter pics of the objetcs in the breathe scene and you can make out the individual cables in the bundle. I don't have the link at the moment.
The "cable" looks most similar to legion's harness IMO.
anyone suporting the indoc theory I have one quesition, where does the scene with the stargazer and the child stand in the theory.
Sorry Soul, the number one rule of Indoctrination Theory Followers is that anything that goes against Indoctrination Theory is part of Indoctrination Theory and is therefore not real and can't be used against Indoctrination Theory.
1. There are cables that can be found only on the Citadel (and it's not rebar as IT keeps repeating) There are no cables anywhere close to the Conduit. If you listen closely the scene after Shep wakes up, you can hear screeching noises that sound as a ship rocking on a sea.
Thats iffy at best. you cant breath in a vaccume as shepard would since destroy destroys all reaper tech(like the citadel).
notice the gray concrete blocks, here is a video of london...
I keep posting this video, I wonder if people recognize it by the link by now. I know Balance5050 might lol.
some one needs to do a fly cam of the harbinger beam part of london on the sides were the rubble is.
1. There are cables that can be found only on the Citadel (and it's not rebar as IT keeps repeating) There are no cables anywhere close to the Conduit. If you listen closely the scene after Shep wakes up, you can hear screeching noises that sound as a ship rocking on a sea.
Thats iffy at best. you cant breath in a vaccume as shepard would since destroy destroys all reaper tech(like the citadel).
notice the gray concrete blocks, here is a video of london...
I keep posting this video, I wonder if people recognize it by the link by now. I know Balance5050 might lol.
some one needs to do a fly cam of the harbinger beam part of london on the sides were the rubble is.
also looks like the rebar in the Tuchanka-bomb mission.
You can try to call it rebar or not but I made sure that the Tuchanka rebar is not what we see in the breathe scene. I posted it in the main IT thread.
I also posted brighter pics of the objetcs in the breathe scene and you can make out the individual cables in the bundle. I don't have the link at the moment.
CavScout wrote... You missed the point. I just can't tell if it is out of ignorance, malice or something else. Maybe this will help: http://en.wikipedia....cular_reasoning
But it's still not circular or circumstantial.
You missing the point that the base nature of of where indoctrination comes from is stated in myfirst point is illustation how it works. My third point is pointed to the chances Shepard could be indoctrinated. It can only be a circular logic if fact1 was the only fact used. But I'm using 8.......Out of the 8, 3 stated how it works, 2 state the shown simtums of indoctrination,2 show the times Shepard got in contact with indoctination waves, and1 is illustating that Shep show symtom of indoctrination.
The problem is you cut a few out to focus on when the point is that all points have to be seen as one. All my point is say that Shepard is near reaper tech from the start of ME1 through ME3...This tech has the chance to indoctrinated him. That the signs of it is whispers and strange dreams......And suddenly, after years of being near reaper tech, shepard is having strange dreams with whispers in it. It deductive. It 's the same logic use with colds and sickness, ifyour near a sick person alot their is a chance you will get sick. That's deductive , not circular.
There is not "evidence" of IT in the game unless one starts out with the assumption that IT is in the game. Heck, you making a dream not a dream but evidence of Indoctrination.
1. Based on lore, indoctrination shows no proof of it till it's too late.
2.The dreams themselve leaves alot of questions to it because of howit was handle. Being that with all the messed up things Shep has seen in the galexy, a death of a kid is what pushes him over? Then his form appears at the end of the game. There's is not even proof that the kid is even real making the dreams stranger still. The dreams have 2 symptoms of indoctrination in it in one....
3. You can't deny that Shepard had years of on and off contact with reaper teh and reapers from ME1. From the very first mission on eden prime he has been near reaper tech. It the consept of being unprotected while being near contagious sick people gives you a chance of getting sick. Even more so with some that can just mess with a persons mind by just being.
It's deduction. After years of being near reapers and reaper tech that indoctrinates, Shep has strange dreams that simulate symtoms of indoctrination...Nothing circular aboutt he theory at all. It's just based on the nature of indoctrination stated in the lore, plain and simple.
also looks like the rebar in the Tuchanka-bomb mission.
You can try to call it rebar or not but I made sure that the Tuchanka rebar is not what we see in the breathe scene. I posted it in the main IT thread.
I also posted brighter pics of the objetcs in the breathe scene and you can make out the individual cables in the bundle. I don't have the link at the moment.
The "cable" looks most similar to legion's harness IMO.
Yeah it does. Won't argue there. In fact, the asset is actually called Geth Cable, not reaper cable in that mission.
also looks like the rebar in the Tuchanka-bomb mission.
You can try to call it rebar or not but I made sure that the Tuchanka rebar is not what we see in the breathe scene. I posted it in the main IT thread.
I also posted brighter pics of the objetcs in the breathe scene and you can make out the individual cables in the bundle. I don't have the link at the moment.
1. There are cables that can be found only on the Citadel (and it's not rebar as IT keeps repeating) There are no cables anywhere close to the Conduit. If you listen closely the scene after Shep wakes up, you can hear screeching noises that sound as a ship rocking on a sea.
Thats iffy at best. you cant breath in a vaccume as shepard would since destroy destroys all reaper tech(like the citadel).
notice the gray concrete blocks, here is a video of london...
I keep posting this video, I wonder if people recognize it by the link by now. I know Balance5050 might lol.
some one needs to do a fly cam of the harbinger beam part of london on the sides were the rubble is.
anyone suporting the indoc theory I have one quesition, where does the scene with the stargazer and the child stand in the theory.
Sorry Soul, the number one rule of Indoctrination Theory Followers is that anything that goes against Indoctrination Theory is part of Indoctrination Theory and is therefore not real and can't be used against Indoctrination Theory.
Pretty niffty, eh?
If thats the way you want to make sense of it then knock yourself out. Even people that are against it know that the I.T. does make sense but you dont seem to even see that, and that explains your post here! You dont understand it.
CavScout wrote... You missed the point. I just can't tell if it is out of ignorance, malice or something else. Maybe this will help: http://en.wikipedia....cular_reasoning
But it's still not circular or circumstantial.
You missing the point that the base nature of of where indoctrination comes from is stated in myfirst point is illustation how it works. My third point is pointed to the chances Shepard could be indoctrinated. It can only be a circular logic if fact1 was the only fact used. But I'm using 8.......Out of the 8, 3 stated how it works, 2 state the shown simtums of indoctrination,2 show the times Shepard got in contact with indoctination waves, and1 is illustating that Shep show symtom of indoctrination.
The problem is you cut a few out to focus on when the point is that all points have to be seen as one. All my point is say that Shepard is near reaper tech from the start of ME1 through ME3...This tech has the chance to indoctrinated him. That the signs of it is whispers and strange dreams......And suddenly, after years of being near reaper tech, shepard is having strange dreams with whispers in it. It deductive. It 's the same logic use with colds and sickness, ifyour near a sick person alot their is a chance you will get sick. That's deductive , not circular.
There is not "evidence" of IT in the game unless one starts out with the assumption that IT is in the game. Heck, you making a dream not a dream but evidence of Indoctrination.
1. Based on lore, indoctrination shows no proof of it till it's too late. 2.The dreams themselve leaves alot of questions to it because of howit was handle. Being that with all the messed up thing Shep has seen in the galexy, a death of a kid is what pushes him over and then his form appears at the end of the game. There's is not even proof that the kid is even real making the dreams stranger still. It has 2 symptoms of indoctrination in it in one....
3. You can't denie that Shepard hadyears of on and off contact with reaper teh and reapers from ME1. From the very first mission on eden prime he has been near reaper tech. It the consept of being unprotected while being near contagious sick people gives you a chance of getting sick. Even more so with some that can just mess with a persons mind by just being.
It's deduction. After years of being near reapers and reaper tech that indoctrinates, Shep has strange dreams that simulate symtoms of indoctrination...Nothing circular aboutt he theory at all. It's just based on the nature of indoctrination stated in the lore, plain and simple.
1)I love how you set it up that there will be no proof/evidence of indoctrination because you don't know it's happening. Nothing like saying "A is happening but you can't see A happening because you can't know A is happening until A has happened!"
2)Dreams are dreams. There is proof the kid is real. Shep sees him, Shep talks to him, Shep sees him die.
3)What's your point? Surfers spend alot of time in the water. Sharks attacks happen in the water. Surfing alot doens't mean you've been attack by sharks.
anyone suporting the indoc theory I have one quesition, where does the scene with the stargazer and the child stand in the theory.
That there is more story to tell. IT doesn't undo star gazer.
Hey man, in the OP you should put the similarity of Shep trying to convince Saren of his indoctrination as well as Shep trying to convince the council of the reapers.
The longer this thread goes on the more right your OP will be.
anyone suporting the indoc theory I have one quesition, where does the scene with the stargazer and the child stand in the theory.
Sorry Soul, the number one rule of Indoctrination Theory Followers is that anything that goes against Indoctrination Theory is part of Indoctrination Theory and is therefore not real and can't be used against Indoctrination Theory.
Pretty niffty, eh?
If thats the way you want to make sense of it then knock yourself out. Even people that are against it know that the I.T. does make sense but you dont seem to even see that, and that explains your post here! You dont understand it.
That's the way it is. It's been repeated several times in this thread and in others. And again, another false dilemma: The only way to be against IT is to not understand IT.
anyone suporting the indoc theory I have one quesition, where does the scene with the stargazer and the child stand in the theory.
That there is more story to tell. IT doesn't undo star gazer.
Hey man, in the OP you should put the similarity of Shep trying to convince Saren of his indoctrination as well as Shep trying to convince the council of the reapers.
The longer this thread goes on the more right your OP will be.
Nothing more self-serving than claiming the more opposition to ones idea the more valid the idea must be...
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