also looks like the rebar in the Tuchanka-bomb mission.
You can try to call it rebar or not but I made sure that the Tuchanka rebar is not what we see in the breathe scene. I posted it in the main IT thread.
I also posted brighter pics of the objetcs in the breathe scene and you can make out the individual cables in the bundle. I don't have the link at the moment.
anyone suporting the indoc theory I have one quesition, where does the scene with the stargazer and the child stand in the theory.
Sorry Soul, the number one rule of Indoctrination Theory Followers is that anything that goes against Indoctrination Theory is part of Indoctrination Theory and is therefore not real and can't be used against Indoctrination Theory.
Pretty niffty, eh?
If thats the way you want to make sense of it then knock yourself out. Even people that are against it know that the I.T. does make sense but you dont seem to even see that, and that explains your post here! You dont understand it.
That's the way it is. It's been repeated several times in this thread and in others. And again, another false dilemma: The only way to be against IT is to not understand IT.
We when one actually does not understand it then how else can I put it if its the truth?, your logic is not sound with a default answer. As Ive said...people against it know for the most part that it DOES make sense, I guess you forgot that part.
anyone suporting the indoc theory I have one quesition, where does the scene with the stargazer and the child stand in the theory.
Sorry Soul, the number one rule of Indoctrination Theory Followers is that anything that goes against Indoctrination Theory is part of Indoctrination Theory and is therefore not real and can't be used against Indoctrination Theory.
Pretty niffty, eh?
If thats the way you want to make sense of it then knock yourself out. Even people that are against it know that the I.T. does make sense but you dont seem to even see that, and that explains your post here! You dont understand it.
That's the way it is. It's been repeated several times in this thread and in others. And again, another false dilemma: The only way to be against IT is to not understand IT.
We when one actually does not understand it then how else can I put it if its the truth?, your logic is not sound with a default answer. As Ive said...people against it know for the most part that it DOES make sense, I guess you forgot that part.
We when one... what? If I don't understand you it's because you write like that....
anyone suporting the indoc theory I have one quesition, where does the scene with the stargazer and the child stand in the theory.
Sorry Soul, the number one rule of Indoctrination Theory Followers is that anything that goes against Indoctrination Theory is part of Indoctrination Theory and is therefore not real and can't be used against Indoctrination Theory.
Pretty niffty, eh?
If thats the way you want to make sense of it then knock yourself out. Even people that are against it know that the I.T. does make sense but you dont seem to even see that, and that explains your post here! You dont understand it.
That's the way it is. It's been repeated several times in this thread and in others. And again, another false dilemma: The only way to be against IT is to not understand IT.
We when one actually does not understand it then how else can I put it if its the truth?, your logic is not sound with a default answer. As Ive said...people against it know for the most part that it DOES make sense, I guess you forgot that part.
We when one... what? If I don't understand you it's because you write like that....
That can be anything really, but I think that its london because I just cant see how shepard takes a breath in a vaccume.
I can tell you what it's not. It's not rebar. It has the same pattern of a reaper cable. There were no reaper cables on the ground, no concrete with straight lined groves in the either. So to me, Shepard is on the Citdadel. How he survived is still a mystery. One that bioware has to explain.
You're so dang literal. Those N7 tags weren't on Shepard either. They (the reaper cable and the N7 tags) are context clues that hint to the player what happened. Reaper cables = Indoctrination (Rachni Queen and Legion). N7 tags = Shepard. Ergo, Shepard was almost indoctrinated.
CavScout wrote... You missed the point. I just can't tell if it is out of ignorance, malice or something else. Maybe this will help: http://en.wikipedia....cular_reasoning
But it's still not circular or circumstantial.
You missing the point that the base nature of of where indoctrination comes from is stated in myfirst point is illustation how it works. My third point is pointed to the chances Shepard could be indoctrinated. It can only be a circular logic if fact1 was the only fact used. But I'm using 8.......Out of the 8, 3 stated how it works, 2 state the shown simtums of indoctrination,2 show the times Shepard got in contact with indoctination waves, and1 is illustating that Shep show symtom of indoctrination.
The problem is you cut a few out to focus on when the point is that all points have to be seen as one. All my point is say that Shepard is near reaper tech from the start of ME1 through ME3...This tech has the chance to indoctrinated him. That the signs of it is whispers and strange dreams......And suddenly, after years of being near reaper tech, shepard is having strange dreams with whispers in it. It deductive. It 's the same logic use with colds and sickness, ifyour near a sick person alot their is a chance you will get sick. That's deductive , not circular.
There is not "evidence" of IT in the game unless one starts out with the assumption that IT is in the game. Heck, you making a dream not a dream but evidence of Indoctrination.
1. Based on lore, indoctrination shows no proof of it till it's too late. 2.The dreams themselve leaves alot of questions to it because of howit was handle. Being that with all the messed up thing Shep has seen in the galexy, a death of a kid is what pushes him over and then his form appears at the end of the game. There's is not even proof that the kid is even real making the dreams stranger still. It has 2 symptoms of indoctrination in it in one....
3. You can't denie that Shepard had years of on and off contact with reaper teh and reapers from ME1. From the very first mission on eden prime he has been near reaper tech. It the consept of being unprotected while being near contagious sick people gives you a chance of getting sick. Even more so with some that can just mess with a persons mind by just being.
It's deduction. After years of being near reapers and reaper tech that indoctrinates, Shep has strange dreams that simulate symtoms of indoctrination...Nothing circular aboutt he theory at all. It's just based on the nature of indoctrination stated in the lore, plain and simple.
1)I love how you set it up that there will be no proof/evidence of indoctrination because you don't know it's happening. Nothing like saying "A is happening but you can't see A happening because you can't know A is happening until A has happened!"
2)Dreams are dreams. There is proof the kid is real. Shep sees him, Shep talks to him, Shep sees him die.
3)What's your point? Surfers spend alot of time in the water. Sharks attacks happen in the water. Surfing alot doens't mean you've been attack by sharks.
4)It's not deduction. It's supposition.
1. But this is howit was setup from ME1...the foundation of the series. Thismeans that everything that has been stated for the nature of indoctrination has to be used to illustrate indoctriantion. If it's unditectible and subtle till it's too late, it has to be write and shown as unditectible and subtle if it's happentit Shepard/the player.
2.No there isno proof that the kid is real. I made topics on this...If there is proof ...Link it to me.
3.Shark attacks are diffent because Sharks don't have the nature of attacking humans.Also, it more of a case of swiming with sharks thaen going into the water. It's not going into the water gets me attack by Sharks that IT is simular to, is swiming with sharks. Basicly, Shepard going near reaper tech that indoctrinatesis swiming with sharks. That only that would be simular is jelly fish attacks during mating season. There still is the poin that Shepard is near alot of indoctination device from ME1 TO me3, which nature is to in doctrinate organics.
4. No, it deductive. It would only be circlar if my only point is that reaper and reaper tech indocrinated. I'm using multiple fact to caluculate a conclution. Basicly, years of being near reapers and reaper tech that indoctrinates
+ People who are indoctrinated have strang dreamd and hear whisper
+ Shepard has weird dreams with whipers after yearsof being near reaper....
It's true Shep has been near no and off reaper tech that indoctinate for years. It's true people who are indoctrinated havestrang dreams and hear whispers. And It's true Shepard , after years of being near reaper tech that inctrinates, has weird dream with whispers.
That pretty much point to that their is a chance of indoctrination.
also looks like the rebar in the Tuchanka-bomb mission.
You can try to call it rebar or not but I made sure that the Tuchanka rebar is not what we see in the breathe scene. I posted it in the main IT thread.
I also posted brighter pics of the objetcs in the breathe scene and you can make out the individual cables in the bundle. I don't have the link at the moment.
If you have a sharper image I would love a link. Would love to see the brighter image, (hold on a sec going to replay the ending...)
Ok let me look for it.
Thanks, that's better and I can confirm the shepard breathes scene has cables not rebar. Which begs the question why shepard is wrapped in reaper cables. Could be one of a few things...
Regretfully no. I have it through Steam and for some reason I can't get a screen grab (just goes to what's directly behind). The dynamic shadows move independently of each other and don't always align perfectly. It's not a perfect simulation of light. I think the worst case are the noveria elevators.
Yeah that happens throughout mass effect. Most noticeable in ME1 in the elevator scenes if you turn the quality all the way up.
That is probably because of moving light sources. No moving light sources in the ending
moving characters/ viewpoint? Proximity between shadow casting objects and separate light sources could result in crossing shadows. Really just a limitation of the rendering technique.
Only if you want it to be. But Rebar isn't reflective, they are usually rusty or dirty from being burried in concrete. The Reaper/Geth cables are a much close match than rebar. It's ok to admit that it is, this alone doesn't undo all of IT.
Yeah that happens throughout mass effect. Most noticeable in ME1 in the elevator scenes if you turn the quality all the way up.
That is probably because of moving light sources. No moving light sources in the ending
moving characters/ viewpoint? Proximity between shadow casting objects and separate light sources could result in crossing shadows. Really just a limitation of the rendering technique.
I think the shadows change because the placement of the characters change throughout the cinematic. I've witnessed this scene using flycam. I didn't make a video of it because it seriously breaks the effect of the scene. But TIM would be 2 feet infron of Anderson one second and 10 feet away from him the other when he has a close up.
Only if you want it to be. But Rebar isn't reflective, they are usually rusty or dirty from being burried in concrete. The Reaper/Geth cables are a much close match than rebar. It's ok to admit that it is, this alone doesn't undo all of IT.
Just an observation.
The image of your "reaper wire" It too blurry to tell if it's reflective. Even the rebar in the second pick has bits of reflection in it as well.
And this only makes sense if TIM has been able to improve reaper tech, which is very impressive indeed. There is another answer: That scene isn't real. Shepard's still unconscious in London, where we see him/her after the high EMS destruction ending.
I'm wondering why TIM wants to control organics in the first place. I thought he wanted to control the reapers and their forces.
It's a good thing we never see TIM's forces made up of human forces.... oh wait.. what?
he was using indoctrination on them. watch the cerberus base videos again. he didn't need this other technology for that.
dreman9999 wrote... The image of your "reaper wire" It too blurry to tell if it's reflective. Even the rebar in the second pick has bits of reflection in it as well.
Also, I guess freecam is ok now since I got a better shot of the rebar with it.
I've got a question. When the EC comes and it turns out that Bioware didn't run with the Indoctrination Theory, are these threads going to stop?
No game company would release a game with a false ending just so they can troll their fanbase. It's wishful thinking. Maybe Bioware could have adopted Indoc theory once you guys came up with it but everything they've said about the EC indicates their sticking with their three bull**** endings. So when it comes out are you guys going to keep up with this? Or are you going to bury this poor dead horse with the small amount of dignity it still has.
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