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[dreman9999]

EpyonX3 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The image of your "reaper wire" It too blurry to tell if it's reflective. Even the rebar in the second pick has bits of reflection in it as well.

Also, I guess freecam is ok now since I got a better shot of the rebar with it.

Andt that image can still be tied to being a rebar as well...Which it had before. We goin in circle with this.

[EpyonX3]

dreman9999 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The image of your "reaper wire" It too blurry to tell if it's reflective. Even the rebar in the second pick has bits of reflection in it as well.

Also, I guess freecam is ok now since I got a better shot of the rebar with it.

Andt that image can still be tied to being a rebar as well...Which it had before. We goin in circle with this.

Of course we're going in a circle. You believe in IT so much that you ignore the indivual cable strands inside of the two metallic rings that make up reaper/geth cables.

Rebar has no such strands inside of them. But it's ok if you don't want to believe it. Just make sure you mention that it's your opinion that they look lke rebar because most people won't take you seriously if you don't.

[EpyonX3]

yummysoap wrote...

I've got a question. When the EC comes and it turns out that Bioware didn't run with the Indoctrination Theory, are these threads going to stop?

No game company would release a game with a false ending just so they can troll their fanbase. It's wishful thinking. Maybe Bioware could have adopted Indoc theory once you guys came up with it but everything they've said about the EC indicates their sticking with their three bull**** endings. So when it comes out are you guys going to keep up with this? Or are you going to bury this poor dead horse with the small amount of dignity it still has.

I just hope the people on all sides of this debate would remain civil regardless of the outcome. I'm afraid of all the threads that will spawn gloating about which side was right and a lot of face rubbing. I hope it doesn't come to that.

[KingZayd]

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CavScout wrote...
You missed the point. I just can't tell if it is out of ignorance, malice or something else. Maybe this will help: http://en.wikipedia....cular_reasoning

But it's still not circular or 
circumstantial.

You missing the point that the base nature of of where indoctrination comes from is stated in myfirst point is illustation how it works. My third point is pointed to the chances Shepard could be indoctrinated. It  can only be a circular logic if fact1 was the only fact used.
But I'm using 8.......Out of the 8, 3 stated how it works, 2 state the shown simtums of indoctrination,2 show the times Shepard got in contact with indoctination waves, and1 is illustating that Shep show symtom of indoctrination.

The problem is you cut a few out to focus on when the point is that all points have to be seen as one. All my point is say that Shepard is near reaper tech from the start of ME1 through ME3...This tech has the chance to indoctrinated him. That the signs of it is whispers and strange dreams......And suddenly, after years of being near reaper tech, shepard is having strange dreams with whispers in it. It deductive. It 's the same logic use with colds and sickness, ifyour near a sick person alot their is a chance you will get sick. That's deductive , not circular.

There is not "evidence" of IT in the game unless one starts out with the assumption that IT is in the game. Heck, you making a dream not a dream but evidence of Indoctrination.

1.
  Based on lore, indoctrination shows no proof of it till it's too late.
2.The dreams themselve leaves alot of questions to it because of howit was handle. Being that with all the messed up thing Shep has seen in the galexy, a death of a kid is what pushes him over and then his form appears at the end of the game. There's is not even proof that the kid is even real making the dreams stranger still. It has 2 symptoms of indoctrination in it in one....

3. You can't denie that Shepard hadyears of on and off contact with reaper teh and reapers from ME1. From the very first mission on eden prime he has been near reaper tech. It the consept of being unprotected while being near contagious sick people gives you a chance of getting sick. Even more so with some that can just mess with a persons mind by just being.

It's deduction. After years of being near reapers and reaper  tech that indoctrinates, Shep has strange dreams that simulate symtoms of indoctrination...Nothing circular aboutt he theory at all. It's just based on the nature of indoctrination stated in the lore, plain and simple.

1)I love how you set it up that there will be no proof/evidence of indoctrination because you don't know it's happening. Nothing like saying "A is happening but you can't see A happening because you can't know A is happening until A has happened!"

2)Dreams are dreams. There is proof the kid is real. Shep sees him, Shep talks to him, Shep sees him die.

3)What's your point? Surfers spend alot of time in the water. Sharks attacks happen in the water. Surfing alot doens't mean you've been attack by sharks.

4)It's not deduction. It's supposition.

Shepard also sees Anderson and TIM activating the crucible in different ways. I don't think that actually happened. Do you?

[EpyonX3]

KingZayd wrote...

Shepard also sees Anderson and TIM activating the crucible in different ways. I don't think that actually happened. Do you?

That was shown to the player. It's hard to prove that Shepard actually saw these two clips happening infront of him.

[Leafs43]

EpyonX3 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The image of your "reaper wire" It too blurry to tell if it's reflective. Even the rebar in the second pick has bits of reflection in it as well.

Also, I guess freecam is ok now since I got a better shot of the rebar with it.

Andt that image can still be tied to being a rebar as well...Which it had before. We goin in circle with this.

Of course we're going in a circle. You believe in IT so much that you ignore the indivual cable strands inside of the two metallic rings that make up reaper/geth cables.

Rebar has no such strands inside of them. But it's ok if you don't want to believe it. Just make sure you mention that it's your opinion that they look lke rebar because most people won't take you seriously if you don't.

That type of wiring is everywhere in the game.

It is in cerberus labs.  It's on the Normandy.


If anything its extremely common.

[KingZayd]

EpyonX3 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Shepard also sees Anderson and TIM activating the crucible in different ways. I don't think that actually happened. Do you?

That was shown to the player. It's hard to prove that Shepard actually saw these two clips happening infront of him.

Everything we see in the game, was shown "to the player". Since it's a third person game, it's hard to prove that Shepard actually sees anything.

Modifié par KingZayd, 07 mai 2012 - 04:51 .

[jpraelster93]

The indoctrination theory is going to be my ending regardless of what crap bioware does in the ec

[EpyonX3]

Leafs43 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The image of your "reaper wire" It too blurry to tell if it's reflective. Even the rebar in the second pick has bits of reflection in it as well.

Also, I guess freecam is ok now since I got a better shot of the rebar with it.

Andt that image can still be tied to being a rebar as well...Which it had before. We goin in circle with this.

Of course we're going in a circle. You believe in IT so much that you ignore the indivual cable strands inside of the two metallic rings that make up reaper/geth cables.

Rebar has no such strands inside of them. But it's ok if you don't want to believe it. Just make sure you mention that it's your opinion that they look lke rebar because most people won't take you seriously if you don't.

That type of wiring is everywhere in the game.

It is in cerberus labs.  It's on the Normandy.


If anything its extremely common.

Of course. However, the key point is that these cables were directly above Shepard's head on the Citadel, and not on the ground in London.

[EpyonX3]

KingZayd wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Shepard also sees Anderson and TIM activating the crucible in different ways. I don't think that actually happened. Do you?

That was shown to the player. It's hard to prove that Shepard actually saw these two clips happening infront of him.

Everything we see in the game, was shown "to the player". Since it's a third person game, it's hard to prove that Shepard actually sees anything.

What I meant is that those two clips were exclusively for the player, to help illustrate the path the decisions take. It's not something Shepard saw or imagined.

I'm I being clear enough?

[KingZayd]

EpyonX3 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Shepard also sees Anderson and TIM activating the crucible in different ways. I don't think that actually happened. Do you?

That was shown to the player. It's hard to prove that Shepard actually saw these two clips happening infront of him.

Everything we see in the game, was shown "to the player". Since it's a third person game, it's hard to prove that Shepard actually sees anything.

What I meant is that those two clips were exclusively for the player, to help illustrate the path the decisions take. It's not something Shepard saw or imagined.

I'm I being clear enough?

I understand what you're saying, but on what basis? How do you know he doesn't see those clips?

How does Shepard KNOW that to destroy the reapers he has to shoot the tube? The Starchild sure doesn't tell him. How does Shepard KNOW that to control the reapers he has to grab those shocky rods? Again the Starchild doesn't tell him.

Modifié par KingZayd, 07 mai 2012 - 06:18 .

[EpyonX3]

KingZayd wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Shepard also sees Anderson and TIM activating the crucible in different ways. I don't think that actually happened. Do you?

That was shown to the player. It's hard to prove that Shepard actually saw these two clips happening infront of him.

Everything we see in the game, was shown "to the player". Since it's a third person game, it's hard to prove that Shepard actually sees anything.

What I meant is that those two clips were exclusively for the player, to help illustrate the path the decisions take. It's not something Shepard saw or imagined.

I'm I being clear enough?

I understand what you're saying, but on what basis? How do you know he doesn't see those clips?

How does Shepard KNOW that to destroy the reapers he has to shoot the tube? The Starchild sure doesn't tell him. How does Shepard KNOW that to control the reapers he has to grab those shocky rods? Again the Starchild doesn't tell him.

Good point. I yield.

[hammerfan]

DTKT wrote...



This is the worst debate in the history of the internet.

True dat, but it also oddly entertaining for some reason.

It's like the gaming version of the Zapruder film.

Modifié par hammerfan, 07 mai 2012 - 11:15 .

[Uber Rod]

The fact that Bioware is sticking with the original ending with extra "clarification" means that IT is dead. Debating it's merits is pointless.

Time to lose that youthful hope folks. It would have been brilliant if true, but sad to say, give up the hope already.

[hammerfan]

Uber Rod wrote...

The fact that Bioware is sticking with the original ending with extra "clarification" means that IT is dead. Debating it's merits is pointless.

Time to lose that youthful hope folks. It would have been brilliant if true, but sad to say, give up the hope already.

Quite right, quite right, but heck - why pee in their cake?

[Uber Rod]

hammerfan wrote...

Uber Rod wrote...

The fact that Bioware is sticking with the original ending with extra "clarification" means that IT is dead. Debating it's merits is pointless.

Time to lose that youthful hope folks. It would have been brilliant if true, but sad to say, give up the hope already.

Quite right, quite right, but heck - why pee in their cake?

You have a point.

[KingZayd]

Uber Rod wrote...

The fact that Bioware is sticking with the original ending with extra "clarification" means that IT is dead. Debating it's merits is pointless.

Time to lose that youthful hope folks. It would have been brilliant if true, but sad to say, give up the hope already.

If IT was true, then the original endings are part of it.

So Bioware sticking with the original ending means that IT remain as true as it was before. If it wasn't true, it stays untrue. If it was, it stays true.


Ergo: IT isn't dead. Either it  was never alive, or it lives on. Which is it? The EC will reveal.

Modifié par KingZayd, 07 mai 2012 - 11:35 .

[balance5050]

KingZayd wrote...

Uber Rod wrote...

The fact that Bioware is sticking with the original ending with extra "clarification" means that IT is dead. Debating it's merits is pointless.

Time to lose that youthful hope folks. It would have been brilliant if true, but sad to say, give up the hope already.

If IT was true, then the original endings are part of it.

So Bioware sticking with the original ending means that IT remain as true as it was before. If it wasn't true, it stays untrue. If it was, it stays true.


Ergo: IT isn't dead. It either was never alive, or it lives on.

Yep, all IT ever attempted to do was "clarify" the endings as they are. Everything falls into place perfectly. I mean IT predicted the EC for crying out loud.

[KevShep]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The image of your "reaper wire" It too blurry to tell if it's reflective. Even the rebar in the second pick has bits of reflection in it as well.

Also, I guess freecam is ok now since I got a better shot of the rebar with it.

Andt that image can still be tied to being a rebar as well...Which it had before. We goin in circle with this.

Of course we're going in a circle. You believe in IT so much that you ignore the indivual cable strands inside of the two metallic rings that make up reaper/geth cables.

Rebar has no such strands inside of them. But it's ok if you don't want to believe it. Just make sure you mention that it's your opinion that they look lke rebar because most people won't take you seriously if you don't.

That type of wiring is everywhere in the game.

It is in cerberus labs.  It's on the Normandy.


If anything its extremely common.

Of course. However, the key point is that these cables were directly above Shepard's head on the Citadel, and not on the ground in London.

I found that the cables above shepards head on the citadel are at least as big as shepards thigh or his waist if you compare them in the fly cam. The cables around shepard in the breath part are as small as his wrists or smaller. Also there is a book shelf in there as well but not in the area were shepard is on the citadel.

Modifié par KevShep, 08 mai 2012 - 04:17 .

[CavScout]

KevShep wrote...That can be anything really, but I think that its london because I just cant see how shepard takes a breath in a vaccume belive believe in indoctrination. Nothing will change that.

FIXED!

[balance5050]

I'm right here KevShep.....

[CavScout]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. But this is howit was setup from ME1...the foundation of the series. Thismeans that everything that has been stated for the nature of indoctrination has to be used to illustrate indoctriantion. If it's unditectible and subtle till it's too late, it has to be write and shown as unditectible and subtle if it's happentit Shepard/the player.

2.No there isno proof that the kid is real. I made topics on this...If there is proof ...Link it to me.

3.Shark attacks are diffent because Sharks don't have the nature of attacking humans.Also, it more of a case of swiming with sharks thaen going into the water. It's not going into the water gets me attack by Sharks that IT is simular to, is swiming with sharks. Basicly, Shepard going near reaper tech that indoctrinatesis swiming with sharks. That only that would be simular is jelly fish attacks during mating season. There still is the poin that Shepard is near alot of indoctination device from ME1 TO me3, which nature is to in doctrinate organics.

4. No, it deductive. It would only be circlar if my only point is that reaper and reaper tech indocrinated. I'm using multiple fact to caluculate a conclution.
Basicly,
years of being near reapers and reaper  tech that indoctrinates


+
People who are indoctrinated have strang dreamd and hear whisper

+
Shepard has weird dreams with whipers  after yearsof being near reaper....

Is a deductive progress..
http://en.wikipedia....ctive_reasoning 

It's true Shep has been near no and off reaper tech that indoctinate for years.
It's true people who are indoctrinated havestrang dreams and hear whispers.
And It's true Shepard , after years of being near reaper tech that inctrinates, has weird dream with whispers.

That pretty much point to that their is a chance of indoctrination.

LOL sharks don't attack humans... LOL...

Anyways:
1)I love how you set it up that there will be no proof/evidence of indoctrination because you don't know it's happening. Nothing like saying "A is happening but you can't see A happening because you can't know A is happening until A has happened!"

2)Dreams are dreams. There is proof the kid is real. Shep sees him, Shep talks to him, Shep sees him die.

3)What's your point? Surfers spend alot of time in the water. Sharks attacks happen in the water. Surfing alot doens't mean you've been attack by sharks.

4)It's not deduction. It's supposition.

[wsandista]

IT is horrible. Not because of evidence or any of that, but because it punishes non-renegades for roleplaying their characters.

[KevShep]

wsandista wrote...

IT is horrible. Not because of evidence or any of that, but because it punishes non-renegades for roleplaying their characters.

the endings dont punish renagads or paragons. I chose destroy my first and only time and I watched the geth get killed, the same geth I fought for but I lived.

Control...everyones happy but your dead, this is more renagade because it was TIM's idea.

there was no paragon or renagade at the end because it was a little of both in all choices.

[balance5050]

wsandista wrote...

IT is horrible. Not because of evidence or any of that, but because it punishes non-renegades for roleplaying their characters.

A true Paragon knows that he should choose Destroy.