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[balance5050]

Tigerman123 wrote...

I don't understand why people don't spam IT threads with that DLC ad you get at the end of the game, Bioware explicitly say that the Reapers are beaten, so what the hell is there to talk about?

"One more story"

[DTKT]

CavScout wrote...

ev76 wrote...

Cavscout The destroy choice is still presented because Shepard is not indoctrinated, you are at the end stages of being indoctrinated. You will either become indoctrinated by choosing control or synthesis or you will literally destroy idoctrinations grasp and reapers by choosing that option.

According to IT, it's all fake anyways. It's a dream. Why offer an actuall solution? Hell, why is Destroy sometimes the ONLY option?

IT wants us to believe the Shep is so far along in indoctrination that he can't see reality but yet we are to believe the Reapers actually allow him to stop them.

Exactly. If Indoctrination really was used, all 3 options would have always been present. With a low enough EMS, you can only pick Destroy. Which is just silly.

I'd love to see IT believers try to explain that.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Laurencio wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
How do I know that? Look around, it's clear when people say if they don't fix the ending they are leaving mean that BW is in a hole. Do you really think that after and ending that was in ME3, people would be ageinst something that would get it to make sense in an interesting way that is based on the lore? Really, what is worse then, "I'LL NEVER BY YOUR PRODUCT AGEIN"?

And if they never shipped an ending to the game to begin with then why would that be any less of an outrage? The game just stopped, quite inexplicably, and you're told through back channels, or a message after this abrupt end that the real ending is coming in a DLC, please buy our DLC.

Do you honestly think that would be well recieved?

Can you honestly, and fairly state, that what we watched could be considered an ending? REALLY??

We got no such thing, it didn't end, it just stopped, after a pile of idiotic cut-scenes, that were poorly edited.

Where's the final EPILOGUE?!!

You know what it looks like, it has CLOSURE for all involved.

We did NOT get that ANYWHERE!!

[CavScout]

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...
You're repeating yourself. You don't think that scene actually happened.

Of course it happened 

Are you unable to answer questions? or are you a n00b to the series?

What was TIM studying then? What do those black wavy lines signify? Think about the other times we see those lines in the series.   

You just argued in this thread that the scene didn't happen. You posted a lame collage of images to show how it didn't happen. You're whole point of how he can't wake up in rubble if he was on the Crucible/Citadel shows you don't think it happen. You think the entire chapter was a dream/vision.

[DTKT]

ohupthis wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
How do I know that? Look around, it's clear when people say if they don't fix the ending they are leaving mean that BW is in a hole. Do you really think that after and ending that was in ME3, people would be ageinst something that would get it to make sense in an interesting way that is based on the lore? Really, what is worse then, "I'LL NEVER BY YOUR PRODUCT AGEIN"?

And if they never shipped an ending to the game to begin with then why would that be any less of an outrage? The game just stopped, quite inexplicably, and you're told through back channels, or a message after this abrupt end that the real ending is coming in a DLC, please buy our DLC.

Do you honestly think that would be well recieved?

Can you honestly, and fairly state, that what we watched could be considered an ending? REALLY??

We got no such thing, it didn't end, it just stopped, after a pile of idiotic cut-scenes, that were poorly edited.

Where's the final EPILOGUE?!!

You know what it looks like, it has CLOSURE for all involved.

We did NOT get that ANYWHERE!!

That's irrelevant. It's a bad ending, but it's still one.

[balance5050]

Valentia X wrote...

ev76 wrote...

Cavscout The destroy choice is still presented because Shepard is not indoctrinated, you are at the end stages of being indoctrinated. You will either become indoctrinated by choosing control or synthesis or you will literally destroy idoctrinations grasp and reapers by choosing that option.

Then when does the game end?

When do we take back Earth? EC is supposed to be clarification, not a gameplay extension, and is being put out because of fan outcry. And why would a business eager to squeeze every last spare copper we have put out a DLC that only part of the fanbase could use, if there was supposed to be a 'real' ending DLC?
'

EC = "extended cut"

[SubAstris]

Tigerman123 wrote...

I don't understand why people don't spam IT threads with that DLC ad you get at the end of the game, Bioware explicitly say that the Reapers are beaten, so what the hell is there to talk about?

DONT YUS STOOPID PEOPLE REALISE SHEP IZ INDOCTRINATED SO HE CANT FINK STRATE AT DA END. BW R LYIN!!

[ev76]

Subastris I'm not saying he was indoctrinated either, I think he was in the final stages of the indoctrination process. That is why those two choices are presented. Your final choices determines if you get indoctrinated or you destroy it and the reapers.

[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...
You're repeating yourself. You don't think that scene actually happened.

Of course it happened 

Are you unable to answer questions? or are you a n00b to the series?

What was TIM studying then? What do those black wavy lines signify? Think about the other times we see those lines in the series.   

You just argued in this thread that the scene didn't happen. You posted a lame collage of images to show how it didn't happen. You're whole point of how he can't wake up in rubble if he was on the Crucible/Citadel shows you don't think it happen. You think the entire chapter was a dream/vision.

It could actually be happening, just throught the rose tinted glasses of indoctrination. I just like to speculate, which was the ultimate goal of the endings:

 

[SubAstris]

balance5050 wrote...

Tigerman123 wrote...

I don't understand why people don't spam IT threads with that DLC ad you get at the end of the game, Bioware explicitly say that the Reapers are beaten, so what the hell is there to talk about?

"One more story"

That could refer to anything in ME. That DLC message at the end specifically says that the Reaper threat is ended though. Therefore StarGazer is talking about another event, not Shepard's journey.

[CavScout]

balance5050 wrote...
Are control and synthesis not portaryed as optimal compared to destroy?

Only if you buy into the Catalyst's logic. If you don't, they are far from optimal.

[balance5050]

FUS ROH DAH FTW wrote...

Don't more of this b*llsh*t, no this doesn't matter cuz it will never happen, you where just disappointed with the ending like everyone else but instead of accepting that it sucked you retakers/idiots went ahead and whipped up your own ending to feel better but that doesn't make it true, so now you can go drown yourself in anti-depressive pills !

Hehe, nice, well constructed counterpoint there:P

[CavScout]

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...
You're repeating yourself. You don't think that scene actually happened.

Of course it happened 

Are you unable to answer questions? or are you a n00b to the series?

What was TIM studying then? What do those black wavy lines signify? Think about the other times we see those lines in the series.   

You just argued in this thread that the scene didn't happen. You posted a lame collage of images to show how it didn't happen. You're whole point of how he can't wake up in rubble if he was on the Crucible/Citadel shows you don't think it happen. You think the entire chapter was a dream/vision.

It could actually be happening, just throught the rose tinted glasses of indoctrination. I just like to speculate, which was the ultimate goal of the endings:

So you don't even believe the stuff you post about IT?

[SubAstris]

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

ev76 wrote...

Funny how the biggest weapon the reapers have, indoctrination is dissmissed so quickly by people. Why shouldn't the reapers attempt to indoctrinate the biggest threat to them? All that end sequence could of happened real time. Edi explained to you how she had to fight Eva core for the body. Shepard fought the reaper virus while in a pod not moving. Then there is the three choices where the creator of the reapers is giving you a choice to destroy it's creations, control them or synthesis them. Two of those options where the solution given by two indoctrinated people (saren and tim) the third is seemingly the option that we where playing for the whole time (destroy).
It also felt at the end like I lost control of my Shepard, as in not enough dialogue. There is also the codex for indoctrination. In the end Is far fetch to think that one of the biggest weapons the reapers have was attemtpted on Shepard? Or is it far fetched that the biggest weapon the reapors had was never attempted on Shepard?

You will find that most people do not dismiss the idea of the Reapers wanting to indoctrinate Shep, but of course that is very different to it actually happening

Yep, a god like presence that can be viewed with superstitious awe trying to convince you that you can either control the reapers or combine organics and synthetics into an ultimate life form doesn't sound like an indoctrination attempt at all.... that was sarcasm btw.

Lol wut, "superstituos awe", you're describing the Catalyst in accurate terms just to support IT. The Catalyst doesn't convibce you to pick anyway, just lays out the information you need to make an informed choice

Does the catalyst not present himself as a god figure?
The "informed" choice is always destroy, always.

EDIT: You're right! I am using accurate terms aren't I?

He says he is controls the Reapers, does that mean he should be held with superstitous awe? Not really.
Your argument falls down also by saying that the Catalyst tries to convince you to pick control and synthesis.

So no, you are being obtuse

 I would say that the little dude who controls them seems kinda awe inspiring if you think about it no?

Are control and synthesis not portaryed as optimal compared to destroy?

No

No again, at least not by the Catalyst. It depends on the priorities and thoughts of one's Shepard

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Tigerman123 wrote...

I don't understand why people don't spam IT threads with that DLC ad you get at the end of the game, Bioware explicitly say that the Reapers are beaten, so what the hell is there to talk about?

"One more story"

That could refer to anything in ME. That DLC message at the end specifically says that the Reaper threat is ended though. Therefore StarGazer is talking about another event, not Shepard's journey.

Both control and synthesis don't really stop the reaper threat though.

[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...
You're repeating yourself. You don't think that scene actually happened.

Of course it happened 

Are you unable to answer questions? or are you a n00b to the series?

What was TIM studying then? What do those black wavy lines signify? Think about the other times we see those lines in the series.   

You just argued in this thread that the scene didn't happen. You posted a lame collage of images to show how it didn't happen. You're whole point of how he can't wake up in rubble if he was on the Crucible/Citadel shows you don't think it happen. You think the entire chapter was a dream/vision.

It could actually be happening, just throught the rose tinted glasses of indoctrination. I just like to speculate, which was the ultimate goal of the endings:

So you don't even believe the stuff you post about IT?

I beleive in different scenarios of I.T.

[ev76]

The game ends when you make the final choice. Your either indoctrinated or you fought off indoctrination and destroyed the reapers.

[Xandurpein]

DJBare wrote...

Maybe because there's a basis for the fan 

Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.

You know, there's also a lot of information that they orginally intended to run with a plot with dark energy and dropped it. That isn't proof that the dark energy plot is actually true. Just saying...

[SubAstris]

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Tigerman123 wrote...

I don't understand why people don't spam IT threads with that DLC ad you get at the end of the game, Bioware explicitly say that the Reapers are beaten, so what the hell is there to talk about?

"One more story"

That could refer to anything in ME. That DLC message at the end specifically says that the Reaper threat is ended though. Therefore StarGazer is talking about another event, not Shepard's journey.

Both control and synthesis don't really stop the reaper threat though.

In the short term, they do provide a solution to the immediate Reaper threat

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I would say that the little dude who controls them seems kinda awe inspiring if you think about it no?

Are control and synthesis not portaryed as optimal compared to destroy?

No

No again, at least not by the Catalyst. It depends on the priorities and thoughts of one's Shepard

So it comes down to what the player knows and believes.... thank you.

Modifié par balance5050, 05 mai 2012 - 06:20 .

[balance5050]

Xandurpein wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Maybe because there's a basis for the fan 

Seriously, I recommend the Final Hours app, got some great info.

You know, there's also a lot of information that they orginally intended to run with a plot with dark energy and dropped it. That isn't proof that the dark energy plot is actually true. Just saying...

Dark energy story was dropped early in ME2's development. The IT ending has been around since "The Arrival" was conceived.

[Tigerman123]

balance5050 wrote...

Tigerman123 wrote...

I don't understand why people don't spam IT threads with that DLC ad you get at the end of the game, Bioware explicitly say that the Reapers are beaten, so what the hell is there to talk about?

"One more story"

Ever heard of a prequel? Authors aren't obliged to to write their stories in chronological order :/

Besides the ad and the Stargazer don't say that Shepard became a hero as result of something extraneous to the narrative, but as a result of events presented in the game...

[SubAstris]

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I would say that the little dude who controls them seems kinda awe inspiring if you think about it no?

Are control and synthesis not portaryed as optimal compared to destroy?

No

No again, at least not by the Catalyst. It depends on the priorities and thoughts of one's Shepard

So it comes down to what the player knows and believes.... thank you.

Good to see you conceded that the Catalyst doesn't try to persuade you to choose one option or another

[balance5050]

Tigerman123 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Tigerman123 wrote...

I don't understand why people don't spam IT threads with that DLC ad you get at the end of the game, Bioware explicitly say that the Reapers are beaten, so what the hell is there to talk about?

"One more story"

Ever heard of a prequel? Authors aren't obliged to to write their stories in chronological order :/

Besides the ad and the Stargazer don't say that Shepard became a hero as result of something extraneous to the narrative, but as a result of events presented in the game...

Prequels suck and that's all I'll say about that.