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[GGW KillerTiger]

wicked_being wrote...

I don't mind kill-stealing. The less enemies on the map, the better the team's survivability. Unless of course it's something primed for BE then I'll most likely get irritated.

What if I set off your biotic explosion/tech burst/fire explosion for you? .... Noticed that biotic charge can do all 3 when I was using a striker assault rifle with indicinary ammo on .... Was fun actually 

[Mendelevosa]

marshalleck wrote...

Stop playing vanguard OP, they're not wanted.

LOL! I was actually playing as a Human Soldier for the hell of it. But yeah, Vanguards do get a lot of hate. A shame though, since they ae powerful assets in the right hands.

[Theghostof_timmy]

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

Ryuji2 wrote...

I love the mentality of, "That enemy's MY kill." No. No it isn't. It's everyone's. If you're about to set up a big combo of explosions, or finish it off with a heavy melee, by all means. But don't get pissed off if you see multiple people shooting at your target. I'm concerned for these kinds of people. I mean...you really care about that useless points screen so much that you're willing to potentially wipe and have those numbers not benefit you in any way(credits which is the main reason you're playing in the first place)?

I...what?

No I care about getting downed and/or failing a mission because people want to shoot the guy I already had almost dead instead of a different target ....

Exactly. Kill stealing is not "there's one guy left so everybody shoots at it", it's opportunistic people ignoring
undamaged targets coming at them in favor of killing enemies others are already dealing with. There is absolutely no reason to shoot an assault trooper with 1 health bar lying on the ground under the effect of reave. He will die in literally one second. That is NOT "teamwork" that is kill stealing. The people who call it "teamwork" are the worst kill-stealers.

[RaptorSolutions]

herculeswill22 wrote...

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

Ryuji2 wrote...

I love the mentality of, "That enemy's MY kill." No. No it isn't. It's everyone's. If you're about to set up a big combo of explosions, or finish it off with a heavy melee, by all means. But don't get pissed off if you see multiple people shooting at your target. I'm concerned for these kinds of people. I mean...you really care about that useless points screen so much that you're willing to potentially wipe and have those numbers not benefit you in any way(credits which is the main reason you're playing in the first place)?

I...what?

No I care about getting downed and/or failing a mission because people want to shoot the guy I already had almost dead instead of a different target ....

Exactly. Kill stealing is not "there's one guy left so everybody shoots at it", it's opportunistic people ignoring
undamaged targets coming at them in favor of killing enemies others are already dealing with. There is absolutely no reason to shoot an assault trooper with 1 health bar lying on the ground under the effect of reave. He will die in literally one second. That is NOT "teamwork" that is kill stealing. The people who call it "teamwork" are the worst kill-stealers.

This should be clarified more. And please please kill steal that geth prime I left with 1 armor bar. I don't want to waste another Widow bullet which will overkill it.

[BeardyMcGoo]

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

What if I set off your biotic explosion/tech burst/fire explosion for you?

Please do.
If I see a vanguard, I'll often switch to a biotic class so this can happen.
However, at least wait the extra half second so I can blue them before you charge in. Or better yet, lemme blue them, wait about 2.5 seconds, then charge. and I'll blue em again so your nova can make everything go kablooey as well.

[fallingseraph]

I feel your pain.
Either I score too much and people kick me for rockin' a claymore or a BW
Or I don't score enough and people think I didn't do enough for the team rocking a shield healing geth turret and saving their stupid lives while I overload and pistol.



You can't please all the people all the time, and even more likely, you can't please whiny internet trolls.

[wicked_being]

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

I don't mind kill-stealing. The less enemies on the map, the better the team's survivability. Unless of course it's something primed for BE then I'll most likely get irritated.

What if I set off your biotic explosion/tech burst/fire explosion for you?

That I don't mind

[OGWS]

The only kill stealing that is annoying is when you snipe the lone trooper with one bar of health that I've been shooting at. Big enemies obviously should be focus-fired upon, and killing a banshee that is grabbing someone isn't stealing, that's crazy talk

[Theghostof_timmy]

RaptorSolutions wrote...

herculeswill22 wrote...

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

Ryuji2 wrote...

I love the mentality of, "That enemy's MY kill." No. No it isn't. It's everyone's. If you're about to set up a big combo of explosions, or finish it off with a heavy melee, by all means. But don't get pissed off if you see multiple people shooting at your target. I'm concerned for these kinds of people. I mean...you really care about that useless points screen so much that you're willing to potentially wipe and have those numbers not benefit you in any way(credits which is the main reason you're playing in the first place)?

I...what?

No I care about getting downed and/or failing a mission because people want to shoot the guy I already had almost dead instead of a different target ....

Exactly. Kill stealing is not "there's one guy left so everybody shoots at it", it's opportunistic people ignoring
undamaged targets coming at them in favor of killing enemies others are already dealing with. There is absolutely no reason to shoot an assault trooper with 1 health bar lying on the ground under the effect of reave. He will die in literally one second. That is NOT "teamwork" that is kill stealing. The people who call it "teamwork" are the worst kill-stealers.

This should be clarified more. And please please kill steal that geth prime I left with 1 armor bar. I don't want to waste another Widow bullet which will overkill it.

Heh. So many  people think the opposite of that statement..."Oh look, a Geth Prime with 1 armor bar! Better Widow it!"

I don't mind BE's. Prep them, detonate them, whatever, that's teamwork. Same with Tech bursts and fire explosions, and if we end up concentrating fire on something, that's all perfectly fine. I'm not a fan of the snipe-almost-dead-enemies thing, but I suppose you could have been lining them up the whole time and just got it locked, so I let that pass (honestly it would be my own fault for using weapons that can't kill regular enemies in a half second). What's different is when you kill enemies that are clearly out for the count, like shooting Reave'd enemies on the edge of death, shooting lifted enemies (literally the only reason you would shoot them is to take the kill, if you were looking for actual teamwork you would use powers. Don't even try and say that's teamwork), and the omnipresent stepping into people's line of fire so that you can get the kill. There is incidental kill-stealing, and there is blatant kill stealing- I only protest the latter.

Modifié par herculeswill22, 05 mai 2012 - 06:14 .

[Scudman_Alpha]

 some ofd my kills steals are either done by my phalanxs or my biotic explosion's splash damage

but people don't complain and i don't complain either if they steal my kill,after all my biotic explosion were giving me most of the kills anyway

but anyway i still work as a team and revive teammates and try to save them from stuff like banshees (you can break off her grapple if you stagger her with something)

[Azrever XVII]

I dont care if someone finishes off my enemy. The point of battle is that they die. Do you think people in the military whine about steal killing? No. Some people are derp.

[Thrillskr]

To be honest, a lot of times it just happens, i havent met a player who purposefully stole kills. I use valiant, which is the ultimate kill-steal gun because of the way it works. I get a lot of stick for 'stealing' kills but the truth is, im usually moving around and when i pop out from behind a corner and see an enemy, i shoot its/his/her head off, im not checking if someone is already firing or what - unless the target is reav'd or warped and its clearly visible.
I try to prioritize enemies that are dangerous to my teammates (phantoms, marauders with their stupid sniper-accuracy, ravagers, hunters, pyros etc), but if a guardian or a couple happen to be in sight why would i ignore them when i can kill them both in under a second with 2 shots ? Tho shooting a target that someone else got down to 1-2 bars, especially things like atlas or prime is just rude and unnecessary.
All that being said, ive been in a game where a guy tried killing phantoms with a GPR (which only made them dodge all over and be near damn unkillable) and when i finally nail them with proxy mines/valiant he yells at me for stealing. 

Modifié par Thrillskr, 05 mai 2012 - 06:22 .

[Kingston Atticus]

herculeswill22 wrote...

RaptorSolutions wrote...

herculeswill22 wrote...

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

Ryuji2 wrote...

I love the mentality of, "That enemy's MY kill." No. No it isn't. It's everyone's. If you're about to set up a big combo of explosions, or finish it off with a heavy melee, by all means. But don't get pissed off if you see multiple people shooting at your target. I'm concerned for these kinds of people. I mean...you really care about that useless points screen so much that you're willing to potentially wipe and have those numbers not benefit you in any way(credits which is the main reason you're playing in the first place)?

I...what?

No I care about getting downed and/or failing a mission because people want to shoot the guy I already had almost dead instead of a different target ....

Exactly. Kill stealing is not "there's one guy left so everybody shoots at it", it's opportunistic people ignoring
undamaged targets coming at them in favor of killing enemies others are already dealing with. There is absolutely no reason to shoot an assault trooper with 1 health bar lying on the ground under the effect of reave. He will die in literally one second. That is NOT "teamwork" that is kill stealing. The people who call it "teamwork" are the worst kill-stealers.

This should be clarified more. And please please kill steal that geth prime I left with 1 armor bar. I don't want to waste another Widow bullet which will overkill it.

Heh. So many  people think the opposite of that statement..."Oh look, a Geth Prime with 1 armor bar! Better Widow it!"

I don't mind BE's. Prep them, detonate them, whatever, that's teamwork. Same with Tech bursts and fire explosions, and if we end up concentrating fire on something, that's all perfectly fine. I'm not a fan of the snipe-almost-dead-enemies thing, but I suppose you could have been lining them up the whole time and just got it locked, so I let that pass (honestly it would be my own fault for using weapons that can't kill regular enemies in a half second). What's different is when you kill enemies that are clearly out for the count, like shooting Reave'd enemies on the edge of death, shooting lifted enemies (literally the only reason you would shoot them is to take the kill, if you were looking for actual teamwork you would use powers. Don't even try and say that's teamwork), and the omnipresent stepping into people's line of fire so that you can get the kill. There is incidental kill-stealing, and there is blatant kill stealing- I only protest the latter.

I agree but please  remember if he is almost dead and you see my Batarian's spikes sticking out just be nice step back and watch him explode in a second or 2 please. Getting those spikes into some of the more acrobatic enemies isn't always easy afterall.

Modifié par Kingston Atticus, 05 mai 2012 - 06:27 .

[Theghostof_timmy]

Kingston Atticus wrote...


I agree but please  remember if he is almost dead and you see my Batarian's spikes sticking out just be nice step back and watch him explode in a second or 2.

Honestly I don't usually see the spikes until I'm already shooting... and there are multiple reasons to shoot BB affected enemies:

1. They can still shoot for a second before the blades explode. It would be absolutely silly to die because I refused to shoot them.

2. Batarians may not have the explosive evolution. There are people who take the damage boost instead, and lower leveled batarians may not even be up to 6 yet.

3. The blades may or may not kill them. I've seen BB explosions fail to kill weakened enemies before, and now where does that leave you?

[knightshieldatr]

The only time that I really consider it kill stealing is when someone actuallly steps in front of me to take the kill from me. I'm not in trouble, I have the situation and target clearly handled and someone steps in front of me so they get the kill. They aren't to the side, they aren't in the distance, there is no lack of other targets they could be shooting, but for some unknown reaon they must have the kill I was about to get. Annoying as all heck, not to mention rude.  Otherwise, I wouldn't consider most anything else kill stealing.

Modifié par knightshieldatr, 05 mai 2012 - 06:41 .

[PrebuiltTub]

this whole argument is ridiculous. This game is just about dealing as much DPS as possible. That often REQUIRES multiple people to work on the same target. In the end, everybody gets the same amount of credits and experience anyway. Those who complain about getting kills stolen need to become more efficient players, focusing their power where most effective, and not get hung up on always finishing off a target yourself. Youll get more points in the end anyway.

[Kingston Atticus]

herculeswill22 wrote...

Kingston Atticus wrote...


I agree but please  remember if he is almost dead and you see my Batarian's spikes sticking out just be nice step back and watch him explode in a second or 2.

Honestly I don't usually see the spikes until I'm already shooting... and there are multiple reasons to shoot BB affected enemies:

1. They can still shoot for a second before the blades explode. It would be absolutely silly to die because I refused to shoot them.

2. Batarians may not have the explosive evolution. There are people who take the damage boost instead, and lower leveled batarians may not even be up to 6 yet.

3. The blades may or may not kill them. I've seen BB explosions fail to kill weakened enemies before, and now where does that leave you?

See those reasons make since so if you don't know he will go boom or don't have enough health to risk getting shot by him then by all means fire away! I can always find another pin cushion. Live and helpful teammates are a lot better to have than than dead ones any day! I will just spike everything wehter they blow up or not any way. because it is more effective than reloading my assault rifle while getting shot. Realize clip is empty, shoot spikes in face then reload. Works better than realize clip is empty, reload next to opponent and die during reload, only helps the one who wants points for reving allies. See Tthe type of teammates like most of you seem to be (good - excellent), are DEFINATELY the teammates we NEED! Not those others.

Modifié par Kingston Atticus, 05 mai 2012 - 06:43 .

[trickfred]

I try not to kill steal if I see someone about to heavy melee a baddy, but sometimes you just reflexively point and shoot before you notice that he's already being taken care of.

The only 'kill steal' that semi-bothers me is when I'm trying to get a grab - ie, when I'm clearly in cover in front of an enemy, and then I get to watch his head pop, or suddenly he's a frozen popsicle and falls over, ungrabbable. Not enough that I'll rage at people, just more of a mental facepalm.

Grabs are an easy medal to rack up if the whole team is on the same page, and those medals get everyone on the team more points. Kill-stealing someone else's grabs just results in the team getting less XP overall.

[ShadowWeaver2012]

I haven't gotten yelled at yet but I have started to watch what I kill so as to not take away from other people's experience. Its more satisfying to have a kill, I understand that. But my mentality is, the less enemies, the better for everyone.

Except for the Pyros. I don't care how many bars it has or who may or may not be shooting at it. My first reaction is ITS GOWN DIE.

[RaptorSolutions]

Kingston Atticus wrote...

herculeswill22 wrote...

RaptorSolutions wrote...

herculeswill22 wrote...

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

Ryuji2 wrote...

I love the mentality of, "That enemy's MY kill." No. No it isn't. It's everyone's. If you're about to set up a big combo of explosions, or finish it off with a heavy melee, by all means. But don't get pissed off if you see multiple people shooting at your target. I'm concerned for these kinds of people. I mean...you really care about that useless points screen so much that you're willing to potentially wipe and have those numbers not benefit you in any way(credits which is the main reason you're playing in the first place)?

I...what?

No I care about getting downed and/or failing a mission because people want to shoot the guy I already had almost dead instead of a different target ....

Exactly. Kill stealing is not "there's one guy left so everybody shoots at it", it's opportunistic people ignoring
undamaged targets coming at them in favor of killing enemies others are already dealing with. There is absolutely no reason to shoot an assault trooper with 1 health bar lying on the ground under the effect of reave. He will die in literally one second. That is NOT "teamwork" that is kill stealing. The people who call it "teamwork" are the worst kill-stealers.

This should be clarified more. And please please kill steal that geth prime I left with 1 armor bar. I don't want to waste another Widow bullet which will overkill it.

Heh. So many  people think the opposite of that statement..."Oh look, a Geth Prime with 1 armor bar! Better Widow it!"

I don't mind BE's. Prep them, detonate them, whatever, that's teamwork. Same with Tech bursts and fire explosions, and if we end up concentrating fire on something, that's all perfectly fine. I'm not a fan of the snipe-almost-dead-enemies thing, but I suppose you could have been lining them up the whole time and just got it locked, so I let that pass (honestly it would be my own fault for using weapons that can't kill regular enemies in a half second). What's different is when you kill enemies that are clearly out for the count, like shooting Reave'd enemies on the edge of death, shooting lifted enemies (literally the only reason you would shoot them is to take the kill, if you were looking for actual teamwork you would use powers. Don't even try and say that's teamwork), and the omnipresent stepping into people's line of fire so that you can get the kill. There is incidental kill-stealing, and there is blatant kill stealing- I only protest the latter.

I agree but please  remember if he is almost dead and you see my Batarian's spikes sticking out just be nice step back and watch him explode in a second or 2 please. Getting those spikes into some of the more acrobatic enemies isn't always easy afterall.

I've left elites with 1 armor bar left and went to work on other stuff. When I looked back later that 1 armor bar elite was still alive because everyone was too nice to KS lol.

[Kingston Atticus]

trickfred wrote...

I try not to kill steal if I see someone about to heavy melee a baddy, but sometimes you just reflexively point and shoot before you notice that he's already being taken care of.

The only 'kill steal' that semi-bothers me is when I'm trying to get a grab - ie, when I'm clearly in cover in front of an enemy, and then I get to watch his head pop, or suddenly he's a frozen popsicle and falls over, ungrabbable. Not enough that I'll rage at people, just more of a mental facepalm.

Grabs are an easy medal to rack up if the whole team is on the same page, and those medals get everyone on the team more points. Kill-stealing someone else's grabs just results in the team getting less XP overall.

One kill that annoyed me happened last night. There was a teammate lloking right at me when a husk jumped on me. He did nothing. But once the husk was on the ground he killed it right before I stepped on it. By all means save me from the face eating. I'll apreciate it I may even say thanks, but waiting till I have it under control and my boot is coming down on it's head isn't that helpful. Instead you should watch for the husk that is almost always with him, since they seem to travel in pairs or more.

[Kingston Atticus]

ShadowWeaver2012 wrote...

I haven't gotten yelled at yet but I have started to watch what I kill so as to not take away from other people's experience. Its more satisfying to have a kill, I understand that. But my mentality is, the less enemies, the better for everyone.

Except for the Pyros. I don't care how many bars it has or who may or may not be shooting at it. My first reaction is ITS GOWN DIE.

 We will ALL say thinks for getting those pyros away from us! Please kill all the pyros you can. It makes it easier to save fallen comrades without a facemelter burning you alive. Not even us Batarians or our krogan allies have enough health and shields to revive a person with a couple pyros right there...........but I must admit my brawn does get in the way and I try anyway. Hey if us bruisers can't help em then who can? The infiltrator is normally too busy with disabling devices at that time to be able to run through hordes of pyros to save the ones keeping his back protected. That is why there are 3 of us on his side, right? And no I am not saying the infiltrator can't do both, some I've played with are that good. I am saying while you are still clear , go ahead and finish. I will do my best to continue with all the help I can give all my allies.

Modifié par Kingston Atticus, 05 mai 2012 - 06:58 .

[BeardyMcGoo]

PrebuiltTub wrote...

this whole argument is ridiculous. This game is just about dealing as much DPS as possible.

Kill stealing can reduce dps. Like the aformentioned sniping of a blue enemy in the middle of a mob.

[MinatheBrat]

Mendelevosa wrote...

Oodle12 wrote...

U wouldn't happen to be playing on xbox would u....?

Yeah. I play on the Xbox.

You can play with me! I love being saved from a Banshee trying to bad-touch me and having my ass picked up off the ground instead of bleeding out.....just sayin'  

[Psycho Pisces]

My "Repp" On xbox-live has been going down quickly because people feel this way, yesterday I had someone text me after the game cursing me out because I actually TRIED to win a silver match.

I play to succeed, I try to bring everyone with me. If that's unsportsman-like conduct to some people.. So be it. I don't try to kill steal, infact I'll even leave enemy behind me for others to kill or finish off.. But I guess I'm too aggressive, just trying to actually succeed in a "Mission" instead of standing in the same spot with the rest of the "Good Players" and dying every wave.

I have a high n7 rating, but we all know that that doesn't mean I'm a good player, but it does mean I've been around the block a few times an to lots of peoples benefits... Carried a few games to the end just to help people get exp and credits. Yet, I'm the bad guy who kill steals and is unsportsmanlike. I don't get it.