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[M0RD3CA1 VII]

I mean, really? I can understand one male and one female bi-sexual person, but why would you possibly make every companion in Dragon Age 2  bi-sexual? It really bugged me with Anders especially. Cause if my male PC turns him down, I get rival points.

Modifié par M0RD3CA1 VII, 06 mai 2012 - 05:37 .

[sylvanaerie]

He's more interesting rivaled anyway.

Not every companion is bisexual. Varric doesn't discuss his sex life (though the way he speaks about Bianca as if the name means more to him than that of his crossbow, makes me lean toward thinking him heterosexual), Aveline likes dudes, Carver likes women, Bethany may be bi-curious since she discusses being with women with Isabela.

The LIs were made bisexual so Hawkes of all gender/professions would be able to romance who they wanted to. If you play a female Hawke, Anders will also hit on you AND take rivalry points, so its not just him being bisexual, it's him not liking being told "no" to wanting to get into Hawke's pants 30 seconds after meeting him/her.

I remember reading somewhere on the boards someone said David Gaider wrote Fenris with a male romance, rivaled in mind (though this was second hand info so not entirely sure of the veracity of it, but I have to say his romance certainly felt natural on the sassy gay Hawke I rivalmanced him on).

[whykikyouwhy]

Not "everybody and their mother is bisexual" in the DA-verse. Not every companion is bisexual. In fact, no companion ever claims to be, ever refers to himself/herself as such, and no one in Thedas uses that term.

The rather small amount of rivalry points from Anders at a very early part of the game is, imo, within character. If that's the crux of your complaint, that's one thing. But your sweeping generalization about every character, or at least every companion, is incorrect.

[bleetman]

M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...

I mean, really? I can understand one male and one female bi-sexual person, but why would you possibly make every companion in Dragon Age 2  bi-sexual?

Are you sure it was every? Are you sure it wasn't some?

Hint: it wasn't every.

[M0RD3CA1 VII]

Every companion that can be romanced is bi-sexual. Every seemingly straight companion cannot be romanced. Except, of course, in the case of Sebastian, who I am so glad they added. It just seems unlikely to me that they would all be bi-sexual (no they don't actually call themselves bi-sexual, but that is the generally accepted term). I really have no problem with it besides the point of it just being extremely unlikely that they would all be bi-sexual, ya know? The others don't count because they couldn't be romanced. lol.

[whykikyouwhy]

Knowing and hanging out with four people who might just happen to be/identify as bisexual isn't unlikely or unrealistic at all.

[bleetman]

Oh, ok then. I thought when you said "every companion in Dragon Age 2 is bisexual", you meant that every companion in Dragon Age 2 is bisexual. I suppose if you exclude all the ones that aren't, then yes, they all are.

Incidentally, I heard all the companions are male. I am, of course, excluding the ones that are female, because they don't count. Every companion is male! What up with that, Bioware?

Modifié par bleetman, 06 mai 2012 - 01:28 .

[M0RD3CA1 VII]

haha, bleetman, I think you've just made a frienemy for life. Love it! I apologize, the title of the thread is not accurate, you're right. I'm just saying that I prefered the romance system in Origins; two straight companions, and two bi-sexual companions.

[Sunnie]

M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...

Every companion that can be romanced
is bi-sexual. Every seemingly straight companion cannot be romanced.
Except, of course, in the case of Sebastian, who I am so glad they
added. It just seems unlikely to me that they would all be bi-sexual (no
they don't actually call themselves bi-sexual, but that is the
generally accepted term). I really have no problem with it besides the
point of it just being extremely unlikely that they would all be
bi-sexual, ya know? The others don't count because they couldn't be
romanced. lol.

lol...

1. You contradicted yourself in the first three sentences.
2. The only openly "Bi" characters in the series so far are Isabela and Zevran.
3. Ever other LI is either straight or hero-sexual.

Straight
*Morigan
*Alistair
*Sebastian

Hero-sexual
*Leliana
*Merrill
*Fenris
*Anders

Bisexual
*Zevran
*Isabela

So, you see, not all are "Bi", in fact they are the smallest group of the bunch.

Modifié par Sunnie22, 06 mai 2012 - 01:42 .

[keesio74]

Oh great, another "why is every romance-able companion bi-sexual?" thread.

don't worry about getting rival points from anders. The game gives you tons of options to get those points back and then some.

[M0RD3CA1 VII]

Sunnie22 wrote...

M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...

Every companion that can be romanced
is bi-sexual. Every seemingly straight companion cannot be romanced.
Except, of course, in the case of Sebastian, who I am so glad they
added. It just seems unlikely to me that they would all be bi-sexual (no
they don't actually call themselves bi-sexual, but that is the
generally accepted term). I really have no problem with it besides the
point of it just being extremely unlikely that they would all be
bi-sexual, ya know? The others don't count because they couldn't be
romanced. lol.

lol...

1. You contradicted yourself in the first three sentences.
2. The only openly "Bi" characters in the series so far are Isabela and Zevran.
3. Ever other LI is either straight or hero-sexual.

Straight
*Morigan
*Alistair
*Sebastian

Hero-sexual
*Leliana
*Merrill
*Fenris
*Anders

Bisexual
*Zevran
*Isabela

So, you see, not all are "Bi", in fact they are the smallest group of the bunch.

Hero-sexual!? hahahaha now that is a new one. My Champion is so sexy that he/she turns everybody gay except the goody-two-shoes chantry boy!

[meanieweenie]

M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...

Hero-sexual!? hahahaha now that is a new one. My Champion is so sexy that he/she turns everybody gay except the goody-two-shoes chantry boy!

That would be one hell of a talent tree to see! lol

[Cantina]

Oh son of a b!tch! Here we go again with this topic.


http://desmond.image...gif&res=landing

[meanieweenie]

Cantina wrote...

Oh son of a b!tch! Here we go again with this topic.


http://desmond.image...gif&res=landing

Yup... That's hilarious, by the way!

[whykikyouwhy]

M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...

Hero-sexual!? hahahaha now that is a new one. My Champion is so sexy that he/she turns everybody gay except the goody-two-shoes chantry boy!

The PC doesn't "turn" the companions gay. 

Here's a recent post by David Gaider from another thread. Perhaps that will provide some insight.

[jlb524]

Hawke turned me gay.

[Heather Cline]

hawke didn't turn me gay i already was gay, she just made me like being gay more!

[M0RD3CA1 VII]

meanieweenie wrote...

M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...

Hero-sexual!? hahahaha now that is a new one. My Champion is so sexy that he/she turns everybody gay except the goody-two-shoes chantry boy!

That would be one hell of a talent tree to see! lol

Indeed it would be

And guys, calm down, it's called a joke. I know he/she didn't really turn their companions gay. It just sounded funny.

[PinkDiamondstl]

The one thing I disliked ...........................the whole bisexual thing.

[Evamitchelle]

Sunnie22 wrote...

M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...

Every companion that can be romanced
is bi-sexual. Every seemingly straight companion cannot be romanced.
Except, of course, in the case of Sebastian, who I am so glad they
added. It just seems unlikely to me that they would all be bi-sexual (no
they don't actually call themselves bi-sexual, but that is the
generally accepted term). I really have no problem with it besides the
point of it just being extremely unlikely that they would all be
bi-sexual, ya know? The others don't count because they couldn't be
romanced. lol.

lol...

1. You contradicted yourself in the first three sentences.
2. The only openly "Bi" characters in the series so far are Isabela and Zevran.
3. Ever other LI is either straight or hero-sexual.

Straight
*Morigan
*Alistair
*Sebastian

Hero-sexual
*Leliana
*Merrill
*Fenris
*Anders

Bisexual
*Zevran
*Isabela

So, you see, not all are "Bi", in fact they are the smallest group of the bunch.

Well Leliana had a relationship with Marjolaine and Anders an encounter with Isabela no matter what Warden/Hawke you played. So I'm not sure they qualify as hero-sexual. Also just because Anders doesn't tell f!Hawke about Karl doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen - I just think it's counter-productive to tell a woman you're potentially interested in that your first relationship was with another man, which is why Anders didn't say that 10 minutes after meeting her the way he did with m!Hawke. 

[Alessa]

Evamitchelle wrote...

Well Leliana had a relationship with Marjolaine and Anders an encounter with Isabela no matter what Warden/Hawke you played. So I'm not sure they qualify as hero-sexual. Also just because Anders doesn't tell f!Hawke about Karl doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen - I just think it's counter-productive to tell a woman you're potentially interested in that your first relationship was with another man, which is why Anders didn't say that 10 minutes after meeting her the way he did with m!Hawke. 

Anders doesn't tell fHawke about Karl, because it didn't happen, if you play as fHawke! If you play as fHawke, Anders is straight. David Gaider himself said that the romanceable characters in DA2 are NOT bisexual! He defines them as "subjective sexual". So for fHawke Anders is straight and for mHawke he's gay.

Here's once again the link to the comment David Gaider made on this subject just a few days ago: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/11724520/4#11788060



David Gaider wrote...

SeanMurphy2 wrote...
I
find it absurd for Bioware to make all romance characters bisexual for
"equality" reasons. Yet if writers are forced to rigidly follow that
rule. Then a straight or gay romance character is unable to exist in
that world.

I get why some folks might not like the
"subjective sexuality" of some of the characters, even if that
subjective nature only becomes evident on multiple playthroughs (or if
you spend a lot of time on the forums, first). For some, it's an issue
of verisimilitude... because once they understand that this character
might also romance different genders in alternate realities (other
games) they have difficulty wrapping their minds around which neat
little box they can put that character into.

The benefit, of
course, is that it allows others to play their game the way they wish.
Whether it's a good enough trade-off is up to the individual, but from
our perspective the ability to provide more choices to our fans far
outstrips the "oh but that's not realistic" argument.

What I
don't get is how some people go right to "everyone is bisexual". Which
they're not. Fenris might romance a male character or Merrill a female
character in an alternate reality from the game you're currently
playing, but that does not make them "bisexual". That seems to stem from
a need to slap a label somewhere where it doesn't belong.

Whether
or not we'll change our approach in the future depends mostly on
time/resources. The "spread" of options that gets mentioned from time to
time is probably the ideal in terms of options/verisimilitude, but it's
also the most expensive in terms of resources... which is why it gets
mentioned so often on forums, as resources are never an issue here. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Alessa-00, 06 mai 2012 - 03:27 .

[hussey 92]

Evamitchelle wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...

Every companion that can be romanced
is bi-sexual. Every seemingly straight companion cannot be romanced.
Except, of course, in the case of Sebastian, who I am so glad they
added. It just seems unlikely to me that they would all be bi-sexual (no
they don't actually call themselves bi-sexual, but that is the
generally accepted term). I really have no problem with it besides the
point of it just being extremely unlikely that they would all be
bi-sexual, ya know? The others don't count because they couldn't be
romanced. lol.

lol...

1. You contradicted yourself in the first three sentences.
2. The only openly "Bi" characters in the series so far are Isabela and Zevran.
3. Ever other LI is either straight or hero-sexual.

Straight
*Morigan
*Alistair
*Sebastian

Hero-sexual
*Leliana
*Merrill
*Fenris
*Anders

Bisexual
*Zevran
*Isabela

So, you see, not all are "Bi", in fact they are the smallest group of the bunch.

Well Leliana had a relationship with Marjolaine and Anders an encounter with Isabela no matter what Warden/Hawke you played. So I'm not sure they qualify as hero-sexual. Also just because Anders doesn't tell f!Hawke about Karl doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen - I just think it's counter-productive to tell a woman you're potentially interested in that your first relationship was with another man, which is why Anders didn't say that 10 minutes after meeting her the way he did with m!Hawke. 

I know it was hinted at but was it ever proven Leliana had a relationship with Marjolaine?

And I agree with the Anders Karl thing, Anders only brought it up with male Hawke cause he was trying to hit on him by suggesting he's been with guys before.

Modifié par hussey 92, 06 mai 2012 - 03:37 .

[keesio74]

hussey 92 wrote...

I know it was hinted at but was it ever proven Leliana had a relationship with Marjolaine?

And I agree with the Anders Karl thing, Anders only brought it up with male Hawke cause he was trying to hit on him by suggesting he's been with guys before.

Regarding Leliana - not sure if it was explicitly mentioned anywhere but it is strongly implied. I think there is a scene in the Leliana's Song DLC where they (Leliana and Marjolaine) make out a bit.

[M0RD3CA1 VII]

See, how does that even make sense. Ok, we're going to change Anders history and sexual orientation depending on what sex your character is. Anders character should be the same no matter what. If he was just straight out gay, more power to him, but I just don't like how that whole thing is set up.

And yes, Leliana and Marjolaine were lovers. I forget exactly where it is said, but I remember hearing it.

[whykikyouwhy]

M0RD3CA1 VII wrote...

See, how does that even make sense. Ok, we're going to change Anders history and sexual orientation depending on what sex your character is. Anders character should be the same no matter what. If he was just straight out gay, more power to him, but I just don't like how that whole thing is set up.

The character's history and/or sexual orientation/identity doesn't change. The characters are developed and fleshed out by the writers, and certain things, including portions of their individual backstories, are revealed through conversation. For example, you don't get to know that Isabela was married unless you pick certain dialogue options after Hawke sleeps with her. The character is inherently the character - but the actions of the PC dictate what is revealed and what you get to know.

Some characters will develop further...again, based on actions/dialogue that you choose. Leliana, Alistair, Isabela - they all grow and/or begin to see different perspectives on things due to the influence of the PC. That doesn't make them any less, or mean that they are no longer the who that they are. 

Lots of folks weren't pleased with how that tidbit about Anders was handled. Ok. Some of the devs have addressed that already in many a thread/forum. All in all, Anders is, and remains, Anders, regardless of who the PC is.