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[Toki]

merrick97 wrote...

I am amazed that people still say that 95% of the game is great, its just that the ending is bad.

Yet everyone ignores:

1. The bad journal system
2. The lack of branched dialogue
3. Story cop-outs (Rachni queen anyone?)
4. The horrible beginning
5. The HORRIBLE HORRIBLE eavesdropping fetch quests that got you meaningless war assets.
6. The lack of actual sidequests

and for me the biggest issue was:

6. The linearity.

Its just that the endings are so bad that it makes us ignore the games other faults.


Still its worth a rent.

I can agree. These things don't really bother me, and I don't really have much of a reaction to it, just moreso not caring for the game as much as the others is all. I'm surprised you kept this out, but what disappointed me the most is:

7. The squadmates- Only new character even created (minus Javik, since it's not mandatory to have him) and two new squadmates is pretty bad in my opinion. I wouldn't mind if I really liked them, but I really could care less about the two. ME2 cast being thrown aside really bothers me. As I've said probably everywhere else on BSN: Legion shouldn't have died, and joined you (because you either gain a squadmate or gain nothing, despite BioWare not wanting you to miss out on any characters...), you should have been able to cure Thane, Miranda should have joined after Sanctuary, and Grunt should come after Arlack company is dead. I could also see a Batarian squadmate, it would be pretty cool- you never had one before, they were struck by the Reapers first, the animosity between the species especially after Ascension, ect. I think it would have worked well in this game. 

[X in 415]

absolutely worth a rent. but I agree with the general consensus that Bioware dropped the ball big time with tis game. Ive been in denial about it, but am finally starting to admit to myself how let down I was from the game. Even if the extended cut ending and future DLC are great, I still think the lack of hub worlds, the fetch quests and story cop-outs just cap the series off with a turd.

[X in 415]

man, this game could have been epic, and I hate using that word, but it fits. So much potential, and we got a tossed together game held together by poor corporate decisions and hubris.

[porky88]

For what it’s worth, I didn’t play ME3 right away, either. I had the face import problem, so I waited until Bioware fixed it. During the wait, it was impossible not to come across complaints about the ending. I somewhat expected a backlash. In today’s society, people get on the internet and complain about everything. Of course, I didn’t expect this kind of backlash.

Anyways, the ending didn’t hit me hard as it did others. In fact, I was sad once I beat the game because I knew I didn’t have another Mass Effect game to look forward too. Yeah, they’ll make more for the money alone, but Shepard’s story concludes.

For me, the ending served as a moment of reflection. Would I have felt this way if I didn’t know about the incoming disappointment? I can’t say with certainty. However, I can’t imagine not playing ME3 after going through the journey of ME1 and ME2.

Modifié par porky88, 06 mai 2012 - 05:47 .

[Dont Kaidan Me]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

merrick97 wrote...

I am amazed that people still say that 95% of the game is great, its just that the ending is bad.

Yet everyone ignores:

1. The bad journal system
2. The lack of branched dialogue
3. Story cop-outs (Rachni queen anyone?)
4. The horrible beginning
5. The HORRIBLE HORRIBLE eavesdropping fetch quests that got you meaningless war assets.
6. The lack of actual sidequests

and for me the biggest issue was:

6. The linearity.

Its just that the endings are so bad that it makes us ignore the games other faults.


Still its worth a rent.

^this
Plus, and to expand,
7. Choices not mattering, pre 3 or during 3
8. You're screwed for story if you play as female Shep
9. Unless you are new to the franchise it won't make a lick of sense

I'm sorry DKM but 7 and 9 just aren't true. While the game plays the same despite past choices (as does ME1 and ME2 mind you) the dialogue and attitudes between characters changes greatly depending on past choices and some characters/races wont even survive due to past choices, etc.  Sure to you it may not matter, but it does change up things for those who have played the game multiple times.

as for for not making a lick of sense... i understood everything in the game just fine..so...*shrug* dont know what to tell ya.

I hear you and you're correct about some things within game changing depending on how you react. But there are also many instances, regardless of whether I chose the renegade/paragon or other option, the reactions were basically the same. But it seems we agree partially on 7.

9 means getting nonsensical flashbacks if you didn't play your Shepard a certain way. It means autodialog or limited dialog that would also not make sense if you played your Shepard a certain way.

I don't want to get more specific, seeing that this is in the *no spoilers* thread. But I do stand by my assertions.

@vulsamee, I'm with you on the squadmate/character issue

Modifié par Dont Kaidan Me, 06 mai 2012 - 06:10 .

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

^this
Plus, and to expand,
7. Choices not mattering, pre 3 or during 3
8. You're screwed for story if you play as female Shep
9. Unless you are new to the franchise it won't make a lick of sense

wtf are you talking about?  Female shepard's story is just as good as male shepard's.  :-|  

[Dont Kaidan Me]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

^this
Plus, and to expand,
7. Choices not mattering, pre 3 or during 3
8. You're screwed for story if you play as female Shep
9. Unless you are new to the franchise it won't make a lick of sense

wtf are you talking about?  Female shepard's story is just as good as male shepard's.  :-|  

You're joking, I hope!

[Father_Jerusalem]

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

^this
Plus, and to expand,
7. Choices not mattering, pre 3 or during 3
8. You're screwed for story if you play as female Shep
9. Unless you are new to the franchise it won't make a lick of sense

wtf are you talking about?  Female shepard's story is just as good as male shepard's.  :-|  

You're joking, I hope!

I've played both. They're just as good as each other. What in the ass are you even talking about? I, honestly, refuse to even acknowledge your other points (both wrong also, by the way) because your thinking is so completely and utterly illogical.

To OP: I'm glad you're able to be so easily swayed by review bombs on Amazon. It's times like this where we must acknowledge that actually being able to form your own opinion is just too much hard work, and it's just so much easier to follow along like a mindless sheep. Good on you for not bothering to try and think for yourself. There are times I wish I could be a mindless minion just like you.

[The Master Chief]

Hey, OP, I'm happy for you. Your patience and restraint is going to save you a lot of pain as a long-time fan of Mass Effect.

I understand that there are logical arguments as to why the ending makes sense, and logical arguments for the other side, but the laws of logic only matter if we agree to be bound by them. Most of us don't agree to be bound by them when we start talking about the ending, and I can't say I blame us. Even if the ending we have been given makes logical sense and ties all of the themes together and is a great example of storytelling, it wasn't what we were promised by BioWare. That diminishes the importance of formal argumentation, in my opinion. 

My advice: don't involve yourself in arguments about the ending. I did, and now I regret it, because I realize how pointless and wasteful it was. You should just be content to stay on the sidelines for now and see what happens with the Extended Cut. On a lighter note, multiplayer provides a very nice distraction from the disappointment for me. If you're going to buy the game, I suggest only playing the multiplayer for now. It has the replayability that the single player lacks.

Edit: Don't listen to these other guys trying to belittle you. Your opinion is your own, regardless of what led you to it. 

Modifié par The Master Chief, 06 mai 2012 - 06:40 .

[ScooterPie88]

simfamSP wrote...

Oh stop your whining, you'll probably buy it anyway. Only 10 out of the 100 people who promise to boycott BioWare products ACTUALLY boycott.

First time for everything. I mean the amount of work they put into deliberately pissing off/disappointing people is a big turn off for most consumers.

[Father_Jerusalem]

ScooterPie88 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Oh stop your whining, you'll probably buy it anyway. Only 10 out of the 100 people who promise to boycott BioWare products ACTUALLY boycott.

First time for everything. I mean the amount of work they put into deliberately pissing off/disappointing people is a big turn off for most consumers.

Tinfoil hat much? Just because you don't like the ending to a video game doesn't mean BioWare's secretly sneaking into your town Christmas Eve and stealing all your Christmas presents, Cindy Lou Who.

[Peregrin25]

I agree with some who say atleast rent it to experience it. The game as a whole was great the ending yeah it was as majority of who played it say it is. But making your choice based on what others say is kind of naive. Try it, maybe rent it and give it your own critique.

Me personally loved all but the last 30 minutes or so. felt rushed and kinda boring leading to a horrible let down... I would rent it before you make any solid choice though. At least give it a chance.

[OlympusMons423]

With music I always find the reviews way too kind on Amazon. In fact it always seems to come down in favor. ME3 didn;t even get a majority of thumbs up on Amazon.

It is an amazing game with some of the story lines. I would try to play at some point.

[HBC Dresden]

Nice job OP letting others think for you. Just like with politics, you yourself need to develop your opinion instead of letting someone else think for you and turn your opinion into a tool for their agenda.

Instead, rent from a store or borrow the game from a friend and see if you like it, especially with an imported save. If you don't like the first hour or so, you are entitled to your opinion and I applaud that. Also, if you actually read the reviews/forums closely, most extremely enjoy the game until the very last minutes, where the ending ruins everything for them. Everyone is hating on the game not because it is bad, but to change the ending they don't like. Meta-advice: Just play it until Shep has the final confrontation with the Illusive Man, then stop.

Modifié par HBC Dresden, 06 mai 2012 - 07:31 .

[Zeroth Angel]

Good choice OP.
Because really unlike what most people say the endings aren't the only thing wrong with the game.
Hell i even played the MP more than the SP and believe me i've tried to go for a second playthrough but it's just that bad.

Imo ME3 can't hold a candle against ME2,

[Peregrin25]

merrick97 wrote...

I am amazed that people still say that 95% of the game is great, its just that the ending is bad.

Yet everyone ignores:

1. The bad journal system
2. The lack of branched dialogue
3. Story cop-outs (Rachni queen anyone?)
4. The horrible beginning
5. The HORRIBLE HORRIBLE eavesdropping fetch quests that got you meaningless war assets.
6. The lack of actual sidequests

and for me the biggest issue was:

6. The linearity.

Its just that the endings are so bad that it makes us ignore the games other faults.


Still its worth a rent.

Thing about that is. I do agree to some extent, with ME3 like all other games aswell have issues. Every game has them and some of those issues are not as much of an issue as others.

Those you listed I can look past some of those flaws. One reason being they are not truely important enough to warrent my time for disliking said problem. if anything the worst of the things you listed was the Quest journal It was bad and unorganised unlike ME1 and 2. But yeah. I see your point but some of those I would assume most can look past and accept that those things are not too critical.

[DukeOfNukes]

I was put off by the inconsistencies the game gave to the ME1 story. Sovereigns motivation no longer makes sense if the Reapers could have just flown into the galaxy in a few years. Instead he spent thousands of years, let civilizations advance, 3 new, DANGEROUS, species enter the galactic stage (Krogan, Turians, and Humans)...and then ultimately put all his faith in a single rogue agent and his posse...instead of just putting out the call.

"Hey, Harbinger, it's Sovereign. I'm reaching you through the Collectors...you know, those beings you can ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL over? Yeah, well, the reason I'm calling is, the Citadels not responding, and the only way I can activate it is to spend thousands of years waiting for somebody to invent a race of synthetics, so that I can convince them I'm a god, and then have them aid me in a suicide run against the citadel. OR, you could get off your asses and just fly in. Then, we could EASILY have the whole "Reaping" process done in a century or so, and get back to sleep."

[Zeroth Angel]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

merrick97 wrote...

I am amazed that people still say that 95% of the game is great, its just that the ending is bad.

Yet everyone ignores:

1. The bad journal system
2. The lack of branched dialogue
3. Story cop-outs (Rachni queen anyone?)
4. The horrible beginning
5. The HORRIBLE HORRIBLE eavesdropping fetch quests that got you meaningless war assets.
6. The lack of actual sidequests

and for me the biggest issue was:

6. The linearity.

Its just that the endings are so bad that it makes us ignore the games other faults.


Still its worth a rent.

^this
Plus, and to expand,
7. Choices not mattering, pre 3 or during 3
8. You're screwed for story if you play as female Shep
9. Unless you are new to the franchise it won't make a lick of sense

I'm sorry DKM but 7 and 9 just aren't true. While the game plays the same despite past choices (as does ME1 and ME2 mind you) the dialogue and attitudes between characters changes greatly depending on past choices and some characters/races wont even survive due to past choices, etc.  Sure to you it may not matter, but it does change up things for those who have played the game multiple times.

as for for not making a lick of sense... i understood everything in the game just fine..so...*shrug* dont know what to tell ya.

Play Alpha Protocol or The Witcher 2 and tell me that choices matter in a meaningfull way.

[accessd]

The game is good so its well worth it.A few of the missions are the best I've seen from BioWare and Mass Effect universe yet.

The disappointing ending combined with BioWare's ignorance regarding bug-fixes and broken promises are very provoking however. They have really turned EA-style now.

They should just admit that the game was rushed and it could have been GREAT if they have had a year or so more in development.

Modifié par accessd, 06 mai 2012 - 08:03 .

[Drake_Hound]

Well people who didn't like the Lost last episode or ending .
In hindsight would you have followed that serie ?

That is the problem , The anger and bitterness of people around me , feeling there time watching following that tv serie has been lost . if they had known the ending was that crap .
They wouldn't have watched it from the start .

In that way it applies to ME3 too , why bother if you know the outcome is crap .

[bennyjammin79]

There isn't a lack of sidequests. Saying that there are none or very few is false.

Aria, Victus, Wrex, Barla Von, Jondom Bau, video footage salarian guy, Traynor, and others all give you VERBAL encounters that lead to quests/missions. The N7 missions are sidequests as well.

The fetching isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

[Eterna]

And then you made a useless post in response?

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

^this
Plus, and to expand,
7. Choices not mattering, pre 3 or during 3
8. You're screwed for story if you play as female Shep
9. Unless you are new to the franchise it won't make a lick of sense

wtf are you talking about?  Female shepard's story is just as good as male shepard's.  :-|  

You're joking, I hope!

are you a sexist weirdo or something?  What exactly is worse about femshep's story compared to maleshep's?

[Erenbe]

lol yeah right. Accusing the OP of not being able to come to the decision himself but to rely on Amazon reviews!? What else should he have done? Trust the game-mag reviews that all brag about how great this game is, yadda, yadda?

I did trust the official reviews. Combined with my experience with the earlier games it made sense to believe all the crap they were sprouting...biggest mistake of my gaming life...and not just in respect to the ending. The game is half-cooked. There are so many little things inherently wrong with it that it's just not funny anymore. Then all the other things that came with it...revealing facts only on twitter or other plattforms that I and many others don't care about. Great way of communicating.

And guys/girls...that's how people build their opinions. Based on the initial impression that they get from other sources they decide whether it's worth spending money or not. If the overal consensus among the fans on a review plattform is that the game is not worth buying...of course you wouldn't throw 60 Bucks out the window just to see if they were right! That would just be plain dumb!

OP, rent the game if you are curious...or get it used for half the price. That's at least a cheaper way of seeing if others are right or wrong with their ratings.

[BatmanPWNS]

Kinste wrote...

Oh I wish it were different. The reviews I've read share how wonderful 95% of ME3 is, and deplore the endings. I can't bring myself to play it...

Then those reviews are pretty wrong because there are more flaws than just the ending and ME3 is no where 95% wonderful.