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[Dont Kaidan Me]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

^this
Plus, and to expand,
7. Choices not mattering, pre 3 or during 3
8. You're screwed for story if you play as female Shep
9. Unless you are new to the franchise it won't make a lick of sense

wtf are you talking about?  Female shepard's story is just as good as male shepard's.  :-|  

You're joking, I hope!

are you a sexist weirdo or something?  What exactly is worse about femshep's story compared to maleshep's?

1. Chilllllll. No need to get whipped up into a lather.
2. Read the forums or, conversely, play the game. I'm not going to go into detail in a no-spoiler thread
3. Learn what the difference is between sexist and feminist (of which I am neither if you must know)

Modifié par Dont Kaidan Me, 06 mai 2012 - 09:46 .

[r36956]

Always amazed by people who think with someone else's brain.

[bFootball]

To the OP: despite its flaws I would still recommend getting the game. I don't regret buying or playing it at all and hopefully the endings will be fixed in the EC.

Mind you, If I'd paid full price for N7 Collector's edition I would be pretty annoyed, however I only bought the standard edition and don't feel ripped off.

It's especially worth it if you have a character from ME1 (as most of us on here would, I'd wager). Many plotlines do get resolved, even if the ending overshadows them somewhat.

Modifié par bFootball, 06 mai 2012 - 10:33 .

[DaJe]

Ghost1017 wrote...

darksider55 wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Lol you trust the amazon reviews?

Why not?? i'm assumeing he read the customer reviews,and he was right to listen saved him some serious cash and disappiontment.
 but the game is atleast worth the rental.

It's funny because everyone on Amazon is rating the game based on the ending.

If an ending is so bad that it actually devalues the story of not 1 but all 3 games then that is a very valid point.
Besides, the game has enough other dissappointments.

Modifié par DaJe, 06 mai 2012 - 12:17 .

[Navasha]

OP: Your loss really. ME3 has some of the very best moments of the entire series.

I would never trust someone else's opinion about a game, especially in the era of review bombings.

[Scam_poo]

Your loss. Mass Effect 3 is at least as good as ME1 and ME2, if not better, and according to your post you put "many hours" into those.

[darksider55]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

I was put off by the inconsistencies the game gave to the ME1 story. Sovereigns motivation no longer makes sense if the Reapers could have just flown into the galaxy in a few years. Instead he spent thousands of years, let civilizations advance, 3 new, DANGEROUS, species enter the galactic stage (Krogan, Turians, and Humans)...and then ultimately put all his faith in a single rogue agent and his posse...instead of just putting out the call.

"Hey, Harbinger, it's Sovereign. I'm reaching you through the Collectors...you know, those beings you can ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL over? Yeah, well, the reason I'm calling is, the Citadels not responding, and the only way I can activate it is to spend thousands of years waiting for somebody to invent a race of synthetics, so that I can convince them I'm a god, and then have them aid me in a suicide run against the citadel. OR, you could get off your asses and just fly in. Then, we could EASILY have the whole "Reaping" process done in a century or so, and get back to sleep."

lol true..

[chester013]

The Razman wrote...

I can only facepalm at letting yourself be led by the opinions of others.

I facepalm at people who think they are a special little snowflake.

Listening to the opinions of others doesn't make you some mouth breathing moron who is incapable of independant though. We all do it, whether you think so or not.

[Dutch105]

ScooterPie88 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Oh stop your whining, you'll probably buy it anyway. Only 10 out of the 100 people who promise to boycott BioWare products ACTUALLY boycott.

First time for everything. I mean the amount of work they put into deliberately pissing off/disappointing people is a big turn off for most consumers.

Because that would be a sensible marketing decision, wouldn't it, to deliberately disappoint and p*** people off.  That was, of course, their aim.  Because the creation and creative process of Mass Effect 3 was EA and Bioware's deliberate move to put a finger up to everyone, so that they would lose customers and people wouldn't buy their games...

</sarcasm>

Modifié par Dutch105, 06 mai 2012 - 01:01 .

[FlamingBoy]

simfamSP wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Oh stop your whining, you'll probably buy it anyway. Only 10 out of the 100 people who promise to boycott BioWare products ACTUALLY boycott.

double post but i have to ask

how the hell did you come up with that statistic, if you have a good source i would love to see it, seriously

Over exaggeration born from frustration of hypocritical threads that preach how bad ME3 is. There is no need for any slap-in-the-face report, you can just estimate from the amount of people who said the same thing about DA2 and are still here. And no, I will not name them one by one for you. You can do it yourself if you want some report.

you made the claim, the onus is on you to provide the information to make such a serious claim, and when you do point them out 1 by 1 i would like to see it to back up your claim

if you are unwilling to do this is fine, we will just render you point mute and move on

[augmented shephard]

The ending is fine, and even if you don't like it are you seriously gunna let it ruin the whole series for you?!

[Xellith]

When you get to the end (you will know) just turn it off and look up a fan fic. Even despite the ending its still not as good as ME2. I personally would either rent it or wait a few months to see if  it drops in price again.

Modifié par Xellith, 06 mai 2012 - 01:08 .

[NightAntilli]

- ME1 had barren planets which were tedious to explore, shooting mechanics were crap, cover mechanics were crap, all classes played almost the same, had a bunch of time-wasting elevator rides, terrible performance and pop-in issues, tedious inventory and skill tree system, weapons overheating bug, getting stuck in environments, annoying mini-games..
- ME2 had almost no RPG mechanics whatsoever, main story sucked compared to ME1, was mainly a bunch of side quests, planet scanning was a drag (imo worse than mako), barely any exploration because of small locations, awful loading times, repetitive mini games, predictable fighting environments, being stuck in environments, apathetic characters (barely interacted with each other), lack of weapons and armor.
- ME3 has inferior journal, less exploration than ME1, confusing ending, glitches like teleporting characters, lip-sync issues, too much disc swapping (X360 only), too many shallow side quests.

On the flipside..

- ME1 had the best overall story, the most exploration, the deepest RPG elements, the most immersion.
- ME2 had improved shooting mechanics, better sidequests, better DLC support, better performance, better animations in conversations, better graphics, better action, better and more character support, each class was really unique.
- ME3 had improved cover-based mechanics over ME2, more verticality in gameplay, more cinematic moments, more variety in enemies, more emotional peaks and valleys, slightly deeper RPG elements than ME2, bigger Citadel, best interaction between characters, more variety in weapons..


I apologize if I forgot anything on any of the games. But point is....

Reading what you people (and people on sites like Amazon) are saying and comparing it to the pros and cons of all three, it doesn't seem that you all hate ME3 because it's actually worse. It's because you disliked the ending that you're nitpicking about everything in ME3, even if it's superior than the prior ones in many (if not most) ways. Or are the issues of the other two listed above somehow irrelevant? You can easily love ME3 for what it is and simply forget about the ending for a second, but you've chosen otherwise. I don't really get the hate for ME3 specifically while the other ones also had huge flaws, if not bigger flaws... But whatever.

[TheRealJayDee]

Dutch105 wrote...

ScooterPie88 wrote...

First time for everything. I mean the amount of work they put into deliberately pissing off/disappointing people is a big turn off for most consumers.

Because that would be a sensible marketing decision, wouldn't it, to deliberately disappoint and p*** people off.  That was, of course, their aim.  Because the creation and creative process of Mass Effect 3 was EA and Bioware's deliberate move to put a finger up to everyone, so that they would lose customers and people wouldn't buy their games...

</sarcasm>

Yeah, I really don't understand why they're doing it, but if you also take into consideration the way problems with the game are handled and communicated giving a lot of their customers the finger is exactly what Bioware/EA are doing.

Believe me, it does sound rather unwise to me, too.

[TheRealJayDee]

NightAntilli wrote...

- ME3 has inferior journal, less exploration than ME1, confusing ending, glitches like teleporting characters, lip-sync issues, too much disc swapping (X360 only), too many shallow side quests.

Also forced multiplayer to get every SP ending variant, still far from perfectly working face import, huge amont of autodialogue.

[Cainne Chapel]

NightAntilli wrote...

- ME1 had barren planets which were tedious to explore, shooting mechanics were crap, cover mechanics were crap, all classes played almost the same, had a bunch of time-wasting elevator rides, terrible performance and pop-in issues, tedious inventory and skill tree system, weapons overheating bug, getting stuck in environments, annoying mini-games..
- ME2 had almost no RPG mechanics whatsoever, main story sucked compared to ME1, was mainly a bunch of side quests, planet scanning was a drag (imo worse than mako), barely any exploration because of small locations, awful loading times, repetitive mini games, predictable fighting environments, being stuck in environments, apathetic characters (barely interacted with each other), lack of weapons and armor.
- ME3 has inferior journal, less exploration than ME1, confusing ending, glitches like teleporting characters, lip-sync issues, too much disc swapping (X360 only), too many shallow side quests.

On the flipside..

- ME1 had the best overall story, the most exploration, the deepest RPG elements, the most immersion.
- ME2 had improved shooting mechanics, better sidequests, better DLC support, better performance, better animations in conversations, better graphics, better action, better and more character support, each class was really unique.
- ME3 had improved cover-based mechanics over ME2, more verticality in gameplay, more cinematic moments, more variety in enemies, more emotional peaks and valleys, slightly deeper RPG elements than ME2, bigger Citadel, best interaction between characters, more variety in weapons..


I apologize if I forgot anything on any of the games. But point is....

Reading what you people (and people on sites like Amazon) are saying and comparing it to the pros and cons of all three, it doesn't seem that you all hate ME3 because it's actually worse. It's because you disliked the ending that you're nitpicking about everything in ME3, even if it's superior than the prior ones in many (if not most) ways. Or are the issues of the other two listed above somehow irrelevant? You can easily love ME3 for what it is and simply forget about the ending for a second, but you've chosen otherwise. I don't really get the hate for ME3 specifically while the other ones also had huge flaws, if not bigger flaws... But whatever.

and isn't it funny with ALL the flaws both ME1 and ME2 had that they're still awesome games?

I swear people here forget that ME1 and ME2 both, weren't universally loved, Both ME2 and ME3 did a lot better critically and sales wise (so far), but the opinion on all 3 has been mixed from the fanbase.  Hell In February people were still complaining how lame ME2 was in some cases and now all of a sudden a lot who hate ME3 automagically love ME2.

the BSN's general opinion ebbs and flows like the waves of an ocean.

[Father_Jerusalem]

NightAntilli wrote...

- ME3 has inferior journal, less exploration than ME1, confusing ending, glitches like teleporting characters, lip-sync issues, too much disc swapping (X360 only), too many shallow side quests. 

Congratulations, in all your ME1 fanboyism, you managed to make one salient point about ME3. The disc swapping on 360 is, in fact, annoying.

However, that's a fault of the 360 hardware capabilities and I'm not sure how you can go ahead and blame BioWare for it (though I'm sure you'll try). I mean, the only other alternative would be to simply have them make a "360 Version" of ME3 (and ME2, by the way, also had a lot of disc switching) that's simply around half the game that PC and PS3 owners get.

Me... I'd prefer disc switching to getting half the game. But sure, it was a salient point.

[Sidney]

Really on ME3 the journal is crummy and the endings don't seem to cut it with everyone....but the game is still greatness. Almost every other element is as good or better than the rest of the series.

[Il Divo]

What I'd recommend? Just watch the last five minutes on youtube, get the disappointment out of the way, then buy/rent the game. That way, the worst is done, and you can enjoy the rest of the experience which (imo) is quite good, aside from some details.

[AlanC9]

As for the journal, the way to deal with it is just to ignore it unless it's pointing you to a particular system. To complete sidequests use the Citadel map.

[Remus A]

Legion64 wrote...

I suggest you atleast rent it. The game is great, up until the last 5 minutes. But still worth a try.

[NightAntilli]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

NightAntilli wrote...

- ME3 has inferior journal, less exploration than ME1, confusing ending, glitches like teleporting characters, lip-sync issues, too much disc swapping (X360 only), too many shallow side quests. 

Congratulations, in all your ME1 fanboyism, you managed to make one salient point about ME3. The disc swapping on 360 is, in fact, annoying.

However, that's a fault of the 360 hardware capabilities and I'm not sure how you can go ahead and blame BioWare for it (though I'm sure you'll try). I mean, the only other alternative would be to simply have them make a "360 Version" of ME3 (and ME2, by the way, also had a lot of disc switching) that's simply around half the game that PC and PS3 owners get.

Me... I'd prefer disc switching to getting half the game. But sure, it was a salient point.

Disc swapping was done better in ME2. You needed to swap only twice during a single playthrough. Once after say around 6 hours, and once before the final mission. That's far from 'a lot of disc switching' like you call it, especially in a 30-40 hour game.

In ME3, every single time you alternate between a main mission and a side mission in the beginning you need to swap a disc. I ended up swapping discs like 10 times in the first few hours. After Sur'Kesh you end up on disc 2 and no more swapping is needed till close to the end of the game, which was a huge relief. If they could do it better in ME2, why not in ME3? It IS a negative point, even if it's on the X360 only. The disc swapping itself isn't the problem. The excessiveness of it is. But that wasn't even the point of my post.. If anything, removing that negative aspect of ME3 from the list only strengthens the argument I was making..

Modifié par NightAntilli, 06 mai 2012 - 06:17 .

[Oldbones2]

Kinste wrote...

Oh I wish it were different. The reviews I've read share how wonderful 95% of ME3 is, and deplore the endings. I can't bring myself to play it...

I won't be buying this game, Bioware. I'm disappointed already.

-a series fan with many hours sunk into ME1 and ME2

OK, OP. 

But maybe you should rent it or get it secondhand (it's super cheap on Amazon right now).

You might end up liking it.  Some people do.

[NightAntilli]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

and isn't it funny with ALL the flaws both ME1 and ME2 had that they're still awesome games?

I swear people here forget that ME1 and ME2 both, weren't universally loved, Both ME2 and ME3 did a lot better critically and sales wise (so far), but the opinion on all 3 has been mixed from the fanbase. Hell In February people were still complaining how lame ME2 was in some cases and now all of a sudden a lot who hate ME3 automagically love ME2.

the BSN's general opinion ebbs and flows like the waves of an ocean.

I hear ya. People have trouble sticking to their own perspectives and often take the opinion of the flock for some reason.. I still have the same opinion regarding ME2.. ME1 is still my favorite despite all the major issues, followed by ME3, and ME2 dead last.. *puts flameshield on*