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[dreman9999]

Miphious wrote...

antares_sublight wrote...

Miphious wrote...

Seriously? You want to complain about how undeveloped the Tali romance is? It's one of the more developed romances in the game.

I'd much rather they bulk up Jack, Thane and Jacob romances than add even more to an already well-developed romance.

I also agree that the rest needed even more as well. That doesn't diminish the complaint, though. 

Problem is what you dislike someone else may like. The fact that Shep never says love to Tali may be someone else's preference. Why should yours override theirs? 

It's implied.....Really,is that not clear?

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I don't know, I thought the dialogue was actually really sweet.

[FatalX7.0]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I don't know, I thought the dialogue was actually really sweet.

Yeah.

[antares_sublight]

Miphious wrote...
Problem is what you dislike someone else may like. The fact that Shep never says love to Tali may be someone else's preference. Why should yours override theirs? 

Um... whoa? I'm not asking for "my preference" to override anyone's. The game has this cool thing called a dialogue wheel that could perhaps be modified to provide a conversation option? Why should someone else's preference be forced on me for that matter? I'm simply voicing how I thought the interactions were.

[antares_sublight]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I don't know, I thought the dialogue was actually really sweet.

Tali's dialogue certainly is. To me, Shepard does have some good dialogue, but there were just a few major points where he just responds coldly, especially in contrast with the other LIs.

[lil_lene]

Miphious wrote...

antares_sublight wrote...

Miphious wrote...

Seriously? You want to complain about how undeveloped the Tali romance is? It's one of the more developed romances in the game.

I'd much rather they bulk up Jack, Thane and Jacob romances than add even more to an already well-developed romance.

I also agree that the rest needed even more as well. That doesn't diminish the complaint, though. 

Problem is what you dislike someone else may like. The fact that Shep never says love to Tali may be someone else's preference. Why should yours override theirs? 

And watching my boyfriend do a playthrough with a Tali romance, I saw nothing cold about it. So what if he didn't say love? That's not necessary to have a warm relationship. 

There was tons of teasing and flirtation involved in the Tali romance that no one else got so that makes up for not having a date, I think. 

Well with most romances we were given two options to respond with.. One could have been I love you the other thanks..

[Deuterium_Dawn]

Miphious wrote...

antares_sublight wrote...

Miphious wrote...

Seriously? You want to complain about how undeveloped the Tali romance is? It's one of the more developed romances in the game.

I'd much rather they bulk up Jack, Thane and Jacob romances than add even more to an already well-developed romance.

I also agree that the rest needed even more as well. That doesn't diminish the complaint, though. 

Problem is what you dislike someone else may like. The fact that Shep never says love to Tali may be someone else's preference. Why should yours override theirs? 

And watching my boyfriend do a playthrough with a Tali romance, I saw nothing cold about it. So what if he didn't say love? That's not necessary to have a warm relationship. 

There was tons of teasing and flirtation involved in the Tali romance that no one else got so that makes up for not having a date, I think. 

Multiple options on a dialog wheel. Is that so hard?

[lordofdogtown19]

I think Tali's romance was fantastic. Although I'll admit I found it kinda lame that Shepard never says really says "I love you" to her

Modifié par lordofdogtown19, 06 mai 2012 - 05:40 .

[antares_sublight]

Miphious wrote...
And watching my boyfriend do a playthrough with a Tali romance, I saw nothing cold about it. So what if he didn't say love? That's not necessary to have a warm relationship.

Agreed, but she says it to Shepard multiple times and he never does. It's uncomfortable.

There was tons of teasing and flirtation involved in the Tali romance that no one else got so that makes up for not having a date, I think. 

The flirting on the geth missions was great, much agreed. 

Modifié par antares_sublight, 06 mai 2012 - 05:42 .

[Dont Kaidan Me]

Dude.
I have another post floating around addressing this issue. ME3 Shepard is a psychopath. No empathy, no remorse. It's not just Tali. It's all characters in the ME franchise. And it makes for a lovely disconnect and inability to relate to your Shepard at all. You don't even have the choice to respond differently.

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Look at Thane's romance and tell me Tali's was underdeveloped.

+1000 points of war assets for you. Here here.

Modifié par Dont Kaidan Me, 06 mai 2012 - 05:43 .

[Miphious]

antares_sublight wrote...

Miphious wrote...
Problem is what you dislike someone else may like. The fact that Shep never says love to Tali may be someone else's preference. Why should yours override theirs? 

Um... whoa? I'm not asking for "my preference" to override anyone's. The game has this cool thing called a dialogue wheel that could perhaps be modified to provide a conversation option? Why should someone else's preference be forced on me for that matter? I'm simply voicing how I thought the interactions were.

Because the original one was the one the writer's prefered. And unlike the attrocious endings there's nothing to 'fix' with this romance like there are with numerous others. 

Head canon your own 'i love you' in there offscreen and get over it. 

[Xaijin]

antares_sublight wrote...

The relationship and dialogue with Tali in ME2 was really well done and enjoyable. In ME3, it's weak. It's already been posted that most of the relationships and romances are weakly done, at least in contrast to Liara and Ashley. But Shepard's interaction with Tali just seems especially cold to me. 

If romancing Tali:
1. Shepard never says he loves her. She says it multiple times to him, but Shepard never does. In other romances, Shepard says it to the LI, but with Tali it's like he's uncomfortably avoiding it.
2. In the Geth ship, Tali pulls him up from the falling elevator and he just says "I'm alright". Not even a "thanks"? I'm sure this is the same for any other character, but it was just wierd.
3. On Rannoch, she's talking about how great it's going to be to have a home, and when Shepard asks if the quarians will get used to living in one place and Tali responds about how they've been used to carrying their homes around with them, Shepard silently hands her a rock. Good job, Shep. Smooth.
2. Post-Rannoch, Shepard can't even bring himself to ask her to stay on the Normandy. "Because I respect you, dammit" is a horrible line, IMO. That's what people say when they just "want to be friends".
3. The romance scene is basically just a lazy fade-to-black. There's nothing there at all. This is not specific to Tali, though. However,
4. The post-romance pep-chat is really cold. In other romance scenes, Shepard tells the LI that the LI being there means everything, or that he'd not want to be anywhere else or something similarly touching. Shepard will say he loves the LI and kiss. But with Tali, he says he's not sure if there will be anything left, and when she says she reaches for him in times of trouble, he just says "Thanks" and walks away. WTH? Who is this guy?
5. In the final good-bye, the only redeeming part is Tali woefully saying she wants more time. But Shepard can't say anything of any value or sentiment even at this point. Just "I know". Seriously? What a cold ass.

Tali: I love you!
Shepard: Thanks, I'm alright.

Because she's a racist and because she betrayed his trust via giving the flotilla classified tech. Being in love and and being blind are two very different things.

[Deuterium_Dawn]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Look at Thane's romance and tell me Tali's was underdeveloped.

Look at Jacob's and complain about Thane's. They all need work, some more than others. That doesn't no one else can complain because you think your favorite was worse.

[antares_sublight]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Look at Thane's romance and tell me Tali's was underdeveloped.

"Underdeveloped" wasn't really my point or problem, but you'll find no disagreements here.

[Dont Kaidan Me]

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Look at Thane's romance and tell me Tali's was underdeveloped.

Look at Jacob's and complain about Thane's. They all need work, some more than others. That doesn't no one else can complain because you think your favorite was worse.

Fact. Not speculation. The Seargent is not saying it's worse, but pointing out that lack of connect and story is apparent in more characters than just Tali. So that goes for Jacob, too, yes. It goes for all the characters and how Shepard relates to them regardless of how you shaped your Shepard.

Modifié par Dont Kaidan Me, 06 mai 2012 - 05:47 .

[lordofdogtown19]

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

Dude.
I have another post floating around addressing this issue. ME3 Shepard is a psychopath. No empathy, no remorse. It's not just Tali. It's all characters in the ME franchise. And it makes for a lovely disconnect and inability to relate to your Shepard at all. You don't even have the choice to respond differently.

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Look at Thane's romance and tell me Tali's was underdeveloped.

+1000 points of war assets for you. Here here.

Ok come on. We all knew Thane was gonna die. He straight up tells you when you first meet him. Don't get me wrong Thane is one of my favorite characters, but it was pretty obvious he was gonna die

[antares_sublight]

Miphious wrote...
Head canon your own 'i love you' in there offscreen and get over it.

You angrily missed the point. No need to worry though, BioWare won't be changing any of this anyway. It's just my humble observation and opinion.

[Miphious]

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Look at Thane's romance and tell me Tali's was underdeveloped.

Look at Jacob's and complain about Thane's. They all need work, some more than others. That doesn't no one else can complain because you think your favorite was worse.

The problem is the one being complained about right now isn't actually underdeveloped. It just didn't serve every single point that the OP wanted. And you can't please EVERYONE with every romance. So you have to give a little and headcanon your own "I love you" and your own sex scene if those are your only beefs. 

Hell, Jack romancers didn't get any love scene at all. Garrus romancers were forced to profess love (I didn't like that; I liked him and wanted to stay in the relationship but I didn't want to confess love to him, don't see me whining it was too fast, do you?). Miranda romancers didn't get an I love you from her unless she was dying. 

There are way bigger complaints with romances than the little bitty problems with Talis. They all had minute problems. You just get over it unless there was a huge problem (Jack, Thane and Jacob; those people have a right to complain). 

[Miphious]

lordofdogtown19 wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

Dude.
I have another post floating around addressing this issue. ME3 Shepard is a psychopath. No empathy, no remorse. It's not just Tali. It's all characters in the ME franchise. And it makes for a lovely disconnect and inability to relate to your Shepard at all. You don't even have the choice to respond differently.

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Look at Thane's romance and tell me Tali's was underdeveloped.

+1000 points of war assets for you. Here here.

Ok come on. We all knew Thane was gonna die. He straight up tells you when you first meet him. Don't get me wrong Thane is one of my favorite characters, but it was pretty obvious he was gonna die

I didn't see anyone there say Thane shouldn't die. Just that the romance was underdeveloped. You don't even get a paramour achievement for renewing your relationship with him and having sex with him. 

And the final scene where he dies is identical for a love interest and everyone else. Nothing special for the woman he loved before he dies. 

Modifié par Miphious, 06 mai 2012 - 05:50 .

[Dont Kaidan Me]

lordofdogtown19 wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

Dude.
I have another post floating around addressing this issue. ME3 Shepard is a psychopath. No empathy, no remorse. It's not just Tali. It's all characters in the ME franchise. And it makes for a lovely disconnect and inability to relate to your Shepard at all. You don't even have the choice to respond differently.

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Look at Thane's romance and tell me Tali's was underdeveloped.

+1000 points of war assets for you. Here here.

Ok come on. We all knew Thane was gonna die. He straight up tells you when you first meet him. Don't get me wrong Thane is one of my favorite characters, but it was pretty obvious he was gonna die

Um. Totally missing the point. Please re read. Nowhere do I indicate I am talking about his death. That's a different topic all together.

IRREGARDLESS OF ROMANCE Shepard and interaction of all characters and Shepard in relation to those characters lacks any sort of connection. Period. Romance or not. Squadmate or not. No matter.

Even more glaring when Bioware promised "deeper and more complex relationships". Uh. What?

Modifié par Dont Kaidan Me, 06 mai 2012 - 05:52 .

[antares_sublight]

Miphious wrote...
The problem is the one being complained about right now isn't actually underdeveloped. It just didn't serve every single point that the OP wanted. And you can't please EVERYONE with every romance. So you have to give a little and headcanon your own "I love you" and your own sex scene if those are your only beefs. 

Hell, Jack romancers didn't get any love scene at all. Garrus romancers were forced to profess love (I didn't like that; I liked him and wanted to stay in the relationship but I didn't want to confess love to him, don't see me whining it was too fast, do you?). Miranda romancers didn't get an I love you from her unless she was dying. 

There are way bigger complaints with romances than the little bitty problems with Talis. They all had minute problems. You just get over it unless there was a huge problem (Jack, Thane and Jacob; those people have a right to complain). 

The level of development wasn't my point, and those two points weren't my main "beefs" anyway. My point was the dialogue responses from Shepard. 

It's totally possible to make commentary on one particular part of the game without diminishing or overshadowing other complaints. Just because there's something worse to complain about doesn't mean my observation is unvoiceable or I need to simply "get over it" (there's nothing to "get over" anyway, it is what it is. Just stating my opinion about it. This isn't a petition. Whatever there is to "get over", I've already passed that.)

Modifié par antares_sublight, 06 mai 2012 - 05:51 .

[Miphious]

antares_sublight wrote...

Miphious wrote...
The problem is the one being complained about right now isn't actually underdeveloped. It just didn't serve every single point that the OP wanted. And you can't please EVERYONE with every romance. So you have to give a little and headcanon your own "I love you" and your own sex scene if those are your only beefs. 

Hell, Jack romancers didn't get any love scene at all. Garrus romancers were forced to profess love (I didn't like that; I liked him and wanted to stay in the relationship but I didn't want to confess love to him, don't see me whining it was too fast, do you?). Miranda romancers didn't get an I love you from her unless she was dying. 

There are way bigger complaints with romances than the little bitty problems with Talis. They all had minute problems. You just get over it unless there was a huge problem (Jack, Thane and Jacob; those people have a right to complain). 

The level of development wasn't my point, and those two points weren't my main "beefs" anyway. My point was the dialogue responses from Shepard. 

It's totally possible to make commentary on one particular part of the game without diminishing or overshadowing other complaints. Just because there's something worse to complain about doesn't mean my observation is unvoiceable or I need to simply "get over it" (there' nothing to "get over", it is what it is. Just stating my opinion about it. This isn't a petition.)

Oh so you're just whining. Got it. Well have at. 

[G Kevin]

One and only post for the night (Hopefully).

Personally, I thought the Tali romance was fine. I loved the dialogue on Rannoch and enjoyed every minute with Tali.

Concerning the other romances, yes, they got shafted. I don't think that is acceptable at all. However, if people wish to feel that even the Liara romance was not good enough, then it is that is their opinion. Does not mean we should bash them.

To the OP. I would have liked to spend more time on Rannoch and say "I Love You" to Tali but those things I can make up in my head. It's good enough for me.