antares_sublight wrote...
The relationship and dialogue with Tali in ME2 was really well done and enjoyable. In ME3, it's weak. It's already been posted that most of the relationships and romances are weakly done, at least in contrast to Liara and Ashley. But Shepard's interaction with Tali just seems especially cold to me.
If romancing Tali:
1. Shepard never says he loves her. She says it multiple times to him, but Shepard never does. In other romances, Shepard says it to the LI, but with Tali it's like he's uncomfortably avoiding it.
2. In the Geth ship, Tali pulls him up from the falling elevator and he just says "I'm alright". Not even a "thanks"? I'm sure this is the same for any other character, but it was just wierd.
3. On Rannoch, she's talking about how great it's going to be to have a home, and when Shepard asks if the quarians will get used to living in one place and Tali responds about how they've been used to carrying their homes around with them, Shepard silently hands her a rock. Good job, Shep. Smooth. (Edit: I agree this one is on the edge, the sentiment behind it is certainly nice. It just seemed to fit the pattern)
2. Post-Rannoch, Shepard can't even bring himself to ask her to stay on the Normandy. "Because I respect you, dammit" is a horrible line, IMO. That's what people say when they just "want to be friends".
3. The romance scene is basically just a lazy fade-to-black. There's nothing there at all. This is not specific to Tali, though. However,
4. The post-romance pep-chat is really cold. In other romance scenes, Shepard tells the LI that the LI being there means everything, or that he'd not want to be anywhere else or something similarly touching. Shepard will say he loves the LI and kiss. But with Tali, he says he's not sure if there will be anything left, and when she says she reaches for him in times of trouble, he just says "Thanks" and walks away. WTH? Who is this guy?
5. In the final good-bye, the only redeeming part is Tali woefully saying she wants more time. But Shepard can't say anything of any value or sentiment even at this point. Just "I know". Seriously? What a cold ass.
Tali: I love you!
Shepard: Thanks, I'm alright.
Edit: To be clear, #s 4, and 5 are the ones I dislike the most. And of course, there are others that are incomparably underdeveloped. I'm in no way meaning to diminish any complaint about any other relationship with my observations.
Well, no, it's not perfect. But I'm fine with most of it, and I was happy it was different.
1.) That seems to be something to do with perception. To me, "Keelah Se'lai" seemed more unique and meaningful than the nauseatingly overused "i love you" in everything in any form of media ever. Luckily, "By the homeworld I hope to see again" could be interpreted as
their future home. Again, it's something unique to symbolize the bond between the two characters.
2.) Really now?
3.) I thought it was a nice gesture, except when the rock vaporized into nothing.
2.[again?]) She already told him no before, that her people were too important for her to abandon them, and asking again could be taken as annoying begging from Shepard. Not the best line, but it makes some sense when you think about it.
3.[again?]) No argument there.
I wasn't expecting any crazy skin shows, but the fade to black was pretty abrupt. Compared to Liara and the VS, everyone got shafted. For the other ME2 romances besides Garrus, they withheld the lube.
4.) When compared to the other romances, yes, it seems rather lacking. Taken by itself however is another matter entirely, and I actually think it's more realistic and less "fairy tale romance". Shepard just woke up from a pretty ****ed up dream, and at this point in the game the weight of the whole world (galaxy) is on his shoulders. In short, he has quite a bit on his plate, and probably feeling pretty numb. I know of times when I've woken up from some of my ****ed up dreams, or gotten some really ****ty news I've reacted the same way to people I've cared about. Normally I'm pretty amiable, but things like this change your thought patterns. Is it the most romantic/nice thing to do? No, but it is what it is. I found it actually realistic from my perspective.
5.) Think Han Solo. Again, you don't need to say the words "I love you" to express it.
Modifié par Unschuld, 06 mai 2012 - 06:51 .
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