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[Bfler]

@Bocks

In case of Tali I would say a romantic scene on Rannoch would be better than a bed scene. A forced sex-scene would lower the relationship to a physical level.

Modifié par Bfler, 06 mai 2012 - 10:00 .

[Bocks]

Bfler wrote...

@Bocks

In case of Tali I would say a romantic scene on Rannoch would be better than a bed scene. A forced sex-scene would lower the relationship to a physical level.

Sure, a romantic scene on Rannoch would have worked great. However, you barely get anything romantic at all after you get Rannoch. You have about three lines of dialogue and then it's over. I get that giving Tali a homeworld is a huge thing, but it just never FEELS like it.

Regardless, Bioware's laziness on her and Garrus's romance scenes is inexcusable. If everyone follows the same format, what's the point of choice? Why should I choose Tali over someone else if I get the same scenes and nothing is unique? All I know is that Tali and Garrus deserved far better than what they got.

[Darman]

Its Tali. Love doesn't always need words to be there.

But actually you are right. Compared to the other realtionships, Talis is unfortunatly the less developed one.

[Silhouett3]

Shepard is cold to Tali?

You may need to get some Morinth romance:

[Baa Baa]

I agree, I thought they handled her romance in ME2 really well, but in ME3 they made it seem almost as if he didn't care about her. All I could think of during those scenes is "WTF MY SHEPARD WOULD NEVER HAVE SAID THAT!" I do however understand why he never said that he loved her, being that he knew that his death would probably be coming. He most likely didn't say it because he knew it would be more damaging in the end. But that doesn't explain why he says it to most of the other LIs....
Edit: And the romance scene does make it seem like they didn't know what to do with her there so it feels wrong. But I can forgive that with the scene where Tali and Shepard on Rannoch after making peace. I thought that was an excellent scene.

Modifié par Baa Baa, 06 mai 2012 - 12:49 .

[Dantexr3]

Shepard's reaction with his romance with Tali is one of the things that makes Shepard seem out of place. He really seems another person, his personality changes a lot from ME1&ME2 to ME3. Unlike the other 2 games, I wasn't confortable with most of Shepard's dialogue.

[Calibrations Expert]

antares_sublight wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Just to be sure, you do understand the meaning behind the gesture of giving her a stone, right?

Of course, she can carry around some of her homeworld now. I got it. It's just done in kind of a cold way, IMO. Like I said, this one is on the edge, I included it because it seemed to fit in the narrative created by the rest.

You need to redefine the meaning of cold.

[antares_sublight]

Calibrations Expert wrote...

antares_sublight wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Just to be sure, you do understand the meaning behind the gesture of giving her a stone, right?

Of course, she can carry around some of her homeworld now. I got it. It's just done in kind of a cold way, IMO. Like I said, this one is on the edge, I included it because it seemed to fit in the narrative created by the rest.

You need to redefine the meaning of cold.

I'll just say that I shouldn't have included that in the list. That came up when I was thinking of all the times with the two of them that I wished Shepard would have said something more or done something differently. The gesture itself is nice, but given all the other things where he's kind of cold with her, I felt the rock fit in to the pattern. 

But I wasn't even really sure about it. I understand it's a nice sentiment. But given that he brushes off all the times she talks about how she loves him, it was just 'one more thing'. 

[Unschuld]

*sigh*

Well I for one thought the Tali romance was well suited, unique, and was glad it wasn't filled with cliched overly romantic tripe. But I guess you can't please everyone. Lesson of the forums I suppose.

[Edolix]

I'm not too fussed about most of those, I can overlook them easily enough. The romance scene one definately rubbed me the wrong way though. It's like he doesn't care about her, at all. I wanted to slap him for being so insensitive.

[Samtheman63]

The ugly, annoying ****-nerd helmet face gets treated cold?

Good

[tardis_type_40]

I romanced Liara throughout the entire trilogy -- I reamined faithful to her in Mass Effect 2 -- and I'm glad I did because, to be perfectly honest, I think Tali is a much better fit for Garrus than for Shepard.

Tali was the other squad mate I thought about romancing, but since I didn't, I decided to watch some of her scenes from ME3 on YouTube, and I agree with the OP: Shepard seems oddly cold toward her. I thought the character must have been a Renegade or something. And when I saw the final scene in Shepard's bunk, I was REALLY surprised by how distant he seemed toward her.

Meanwhile, Shepard's relationship with Liara seemed about perfect to me. It mostly avoided descending into romantic cliche territory, and I found the scene with Tali and Garrus in the forward battery to be one of the sweetest, most genuine moments in the game. So I'm glad it worked out like it did. I don't think I'll ever romance Tali now, because I think she's too good a fit for Garrus.

[OchreJelly]

I'll agree with 4 and 5, and 2b.

On my Shep that had romanced her, I found myself wondering why they did not establish some link early in the game, like via email or something (prior to the Rannoch attack.) It's just like, fresh off ME2 you don't think they'd go entirely abandoning eachother like that. And Shep can't even wonder about where she is, though they are forced to worry about the VS and the one who died.

And then you don't get her till near the end of the game. \\o/

There were good moments, don't get me wrong, but none of them really pushed the interaction envelope past prior games. In fact it felt like a regression instead.

[Bob3terd]

DTKT wrote...

It's pretty obvious that the Liara romance arc had the most attention. I guess the rest all suffered in quality.

this. Compared to almost all ME2 LI tali or garrus had it good, but the space hamster got more screen time than them so its not really saying much.

[antares_sublight]

Unschuld wrote...

*sigh*

Well I for one thought the Tali romance was well suited, unique, and was glad it wasn't filled with cliched overly romantic tripe. But I guess you can't please everyone. Lesson of the forums I suppose.

After the romance scene, Shepard is kind and expressive with Liara and Ashley. With Tali, he just says "Thanks" to her expressions and walks away. Definitely not romantic cliche, so good thing you like that. When you get a girl/boyfriend of your own, try that out.

[Baa Baa]

Samtheman63 wrote...

The ugly, annoying ****-nerd helmet face gets treated cold?

Good

BLASPHEMY

Modifié par Baa Baa, 06 mai 2012 - 01:48 .

[Dantexr3]

Samtheman63 wrote...

The ugly, annoying ****-nerd helmet face gets treated cold?

Good

BURN HIM!!

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Samtheman63 wrote...

The ugly, annoying ****-nerd helmet face gets treated cold?

Good

Aren't you the fellow who I just saw talk about killing Wrex in another thread? You're either trolling up a storm or have extremely bad taste in squadmates.

Unschuld wrote...

*sigh*

Well I for one thought the Tali romance was well suited, unique, and was glad it wasn't filled  with cliched overly romantic tripe. But I guess you can't please everyone. Lesson of the forums I suppose.

+1

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 06 mai 2012 - 02:03 .

[Kelwing]

I didn't think he was acting cold to her. Only thing I could have seen done better was the scene on Rannoch where she takes the mask off. If she was the LI and when she takes mask off they should have had him walk up next to her. Put arm around her and see her lean her head onto his shoulder while they both look out at horizon

[Mass effect 2 forever]

antares_sublight wrote...

The relationship and dialogue with Tali in ME2 was really well done and enjoyable. In ME3, it's weak. It's already been posted that most of the relationships and romances are weakly done, at least in contrast to Liara and Ashley. But Shepard's interaction with Tali just seems especially cold to me. 

If romancing Tali:
1. Shepard never says he loves her. She says it multiple times to him, but Shepard never does. In other romances, Shepard says it to the LI, but with Tali it's like he's uncomfortably avoiding it.
2. In the Geth ship, Tali pulls him up from the falling elevator and he just says "I'm alright". Not even a "thanks"? I'm sure this is the same for any other character, but it was just wierd.
3. On Rannoch, she's talking about how great it's going to be to have a home, and when Shepard asks if the quarians will get used to living in one place and Tali responds about how they've been used to carrying their homes around with them, Shepard silently hands her a rock. Good job, Shep. Smooth. (Edit: I agree this one is on the edge, the sentiment behind it is certainly nice. It just seemed to fit the pattern)
2. Post-Rannoch, Shepard can't even bring himself to ask her to stay on the Normandy. "Because I respect you, dammit" is a horrible line, IMO. That's what people say when they just "want to be friends".
3. The romance scene is basically just a lazy fade-to-black. There's nothing there at all. This is not specific to Tali, though. However,
4. The post-romance pep-chat is really cold. In other romance scenes, Shepard tells the LI that the LI being there means everything, or that he'd not want to be anywhere else or something similarly touching. Shepard will say he loves the LI and kiss. But with Tali, he says he's not sure if there will be anything left, and when she says she reaches for him in times of trouble, he just says "Thanks" and walks away. WTH? Who is this guy?
5. In the final good-bye, the only redeeming part is Tali woefully saying she wants more time. But Shepard can't say anything of any value or sentiment even at this point. Just "I know". Seriously? What a cold ass.

Tali: I love you!
Shepard: Thanks, I'm alright.

Edit: To be clear, #s 4, and 5 are the ones I dislike the most. And of course, there are others that are incomparably underdeveloped. I'm in no way meaning to diminish any complaint about any other relationship with my observations. 

Personally I think male shep is just not that good a voice actor and can't convey those sort of emotions at all; Jennifer Hale is whole different bag of fruit.

 But yeah, the writing is rather odd; when you first meet Tali the paragon where you ask her to stay is actually unneccesarily forceful considering she just made a sexual innuendo implying she perfectly interested in staying. I think they felt a bit awkward expressing why Shep likes Tali without just copying why he likes Liara. I mean its made pretty clear n apparent why Tali likes Shep but not the other way around.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Kelwing wrote...

I didn't think he was acting cold to her. Only thing I could have seen done better was the scene on Rannoch where she takes the mask off. If she was the LI and when she takes mask off they should have had him walk up next to her. Put arm around her and see her lean her head onto his shoulder while they both look out at horizon

One thing I liked about that scene is that Tali says "It is beautiful though, isn't it?" about Rannoch, and Shepard replies "Yeah, it is", but when he does so you can see he's looking at her, not the landscape. I thought that was a neat touch.

For someone reason FemShep does that too though, so idk what's up with that.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 06 mai 2012 - 02:12 .

[Mass effect 2 forever]

Samtheman63 wrote...

The ugly, annoying ****-nerd helmet face gets treated cold?

Good

Descend! Descend!

[Applepie_Svk]

 

Silhouett3 wrote...

Shepard is cold to Tali?

You may need to get some Morinth romance:

 


Sheppard: Hey Morinth, how are you ?
Morinth: Aaaaaaaaaaa
Sheppard: Hard times for ya ?
Morinth: Aaaaaaaaaaaa
Sheppard: It was never been so simple with you, where have you been since we defeated collectors ?
Morinth: Aaaaaaaaaaaa
Sheppard: Ok, fine! I get it, you are still upset because i don´t sent any message when i was on Eart. Fine you wanna this way ok, if you change your mind you know where to find me.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 06 mai 2012 - 02:12 .

[Edolix]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Kelwing wrote...
Snip

One thing I liked about that scene is that Tali says "It is beautiful though, isn't it?" about Rannoch, and Shepard replies "Yeah, it is", but when he does so you can see he's looking at her, not the landscape. I thought that was a neat touch.

For someone reason FemShep does that too though, so idk what's up with that.

This would have been neat, I agree...except that Shep does this even if he didn't romance Tali. And as you said, FemShep does that as well.

[Shallyah]

I think Tali's romance arc is beautiful.

We don't get the "meat", but does it really need it? They fade to black more than once during ME3, and Tali tells Shepard that her body has adapted to being in contact with him and she doesn't get sick because of it anymore. Is there anything more beautiful than that? It also means they're keeping their bodies in contact a lot.

The last scene where she says almost crying "I want more time" and Shepard can just sigh and hold her close "Tali, whatever happens-" Tali interrupts him "I know". They don't need words to explain. The level of complicity and understanding they have for each other right there is heartfelt and touching.

A LI-only scene where Tali shows her face or seeing Tali at the end cutscenes after the Crucible instead of Joker or Liara would be nice, I guess, but I'm happy with how the Tali romance arc turned out to be. Neither Tali or Shepard are teenagers, and they do not have to act like teenagers around love.

Modifié par Shallyah, 06 mai 2012 - 02:44 .