1.The reaper blast knocked the life sign locators hardwired into every piece of armor offline therefore giving hq the presumption everyone is dead.
I could bother taking apart all of that but too bad this is a non spoiler section
Your attitude stinks... and the fact that you would dismiss those points so readily, which are pretty damning if you are intellectually honest... shows me that you are trying way too hard to establish this faux sense of intelligence... somehow you understand the ending but no one else does. The ending is crap and the things you people do is so transparent. It would take an awfully stupid person to not even know WHY people are saying they don't like the ending before countering, saying its good or OK and admitting you have never seen anyone address any of those inconsistencies when there are literally hours of youtube videos dedicated to why the ending was bad and novels worth of text on it from BSN and other sources.
*Facepalm* Those are not points...That moron is speaking in hypotheticals and what ifs I could rocket launch with logic in my sleep.I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the same person who wrote that is the same type of person that skips all side missions and never bothers to read the codex in game. The fact that you find that a foundation for any sort of argument is disturbing.
1.The reaper blast knocked the life sign locators hardwired into every piece of armor offline therefore giving hq the presumption everyone is dead.
I could bother taking apart all of that but too bad this is a non spoiler section
Your attitude stinks... and the fact that you would dismiss those points so readily, which are pretty damning if you are intellectually honest... shows me that you are trying way too hard to establish this faux sense of intelligence... somehow you understand the ending but no one else does. The ending is crap and the things you people do is so transparent. It would take an awfully stupid person to not even know WHY people are saying they don't like the ending before countering, saying its good or OK and admitting you have never seen anyone address any of those inconsistencies when there are literally hours of youtube videos dedicated to why the ending was bad and novels worth of text on it from BSN and other sources.
*Facepalm* Those are not points...That moron is speaking in hypotheticals and what ifs I could rocket launch with logic in my sleep.I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the same person who wrote that is the same type of person that skips all side missions and never bothers to read the codex in game. The fact that you find that a foundation for any sort of argument is disturbing.
Well... I at least now know why people call "Pro-Enders" stupid... its not that they necessarily are... its just that they are so incoherent when shown why people feel the way they do about the ending that its built up frustration. You started off by saying you had never heard any of these plot holes laid out. You obviously have not been on BSN long... or any gaming forum... or youtube... or any place where you can upload videos because if you go to youtube and type in Mass Effect 3 ending... you cannot miss the overwhelming number of videos as to the plot holes and why its bad.
Your title thread promised two points. You made a promise to me before I invested my time and emotions in opening this thread. Now I find out you lied and I can't see any points in there.
I demand you release clarification.
He should not give into entitled posters. Its his artistic vision and he has to keep his artistic integrity. Artistic, artistic,artistic, artistic, artistic, artistic!!!! Your point is now invalid.
AlanC9 wrote... You're OK with letting Shepard choose to have an unhappy ending? Um.... yeah, but unless Shep's an idiot he's not going to choose that ending anyway. Choice doesn't work when some choices are obviously worse than others. Maybe Shepard should have more than three choices in the endgame, but adding a fourth choice that's better for everyone wouldn't increase choice at all. It would reduce choice. Except for people who are role-playing an idiot, I guess.
If you say you don't want a happy ending, I believe you. So what sort of ending -- that isn't happier than the existing endings -- do you want?
Choice is not the last 5 minute of the game. Choice is based on the ENTIRE journey and being able to choose something from the options available based on what you did.
That doesn't answer my question.
You say you're not looking for a happier ending. So what are you looking for? More different endings based on...EMS?
AlanC9 wrote... You're OK with letting Shepard choose to have an unhappy ending? Um.... yeah, but unless Shep's an idiot he's not going to choose that ending anyway. Choice doesn't work when some choices are obviously worse than others. Maybe Shepard should have more than three choices in the endgame, but adding a fourth choice that's better for everyone wouldn't increase choice at all. It would reduce choice. Except for people who are role-playing an idiot, I guess.
If you say you don't want a happy ending, I believe you. So what sort of ending -- that isn't happier than the existing endings -- do you want?
Choice is not the last 5 minute of the game. Choice is based on the ENTIRE journey and being able to choose something from the options available based on what you did.
That doesn't answer my question.
You say you're not looking for a happier ending. So what are you looking for?
An ending that does not include a deus ex machina, or the option for Shepard to flip off the Starchild and do something that is not 100% out of character.
Well... I at least now know why people call "Pro-Enders" stupid... its not that they necessarily are... its just that they are so incoherent when shown why people feel the way they do about the ending that its built up frustration. You started off by saying you had never heard any of these plot holes laid out. You obviously have not been on BSN long... or any gaming forum... or youtube... or any place where you can upload videos because if you go to youtube and type in Mass Effect 3 ending... you cannot miss the overwhelming number of videos as to the plot holes and why its bad.
Feelings don't win arguments here on Bsn, pure unadulterated logic does.I already shot down his first *plot hole* with logic and like I said, I could take down the rest with logic making these "plot holes" obsolete.You won't get far in the world basing your arguments on hypotheticals and what ifs, just sayin.
You say you're not looking for a happier ending. So what are you looking for?
An ending that does not include a deus ex machina, or the option for Shepard to flip off the Starchild and do something that is not 100% out of character.
Well, Shepard can just flip off the SC right now, though regrettably you don't get any dialog options to tell him to shove it. Just don't do any of his options. (You didn't say you wanted flipping him off to actually produce a good outcome )
I don't quite see how using the Crucible in the ways that it can be used is out of character for any Shepard.
And if the Crucible counts as a deus ex machina -- I believe it technically can't since it's introduced a little after the 2/3 point of the story, but let's not get picky -- then I don't see how an ending without a DEM is possible. The whole game's structured around it. Making the Reapers suddenly beatable without the Crucible is even more of a DEM than the Crucible itself is.
Well... I at least now know why people call "Pro-Enders" stupid... its not that they necessarily are... its just that they are so incoherent when shown why people feel the way they do about the ending that its built up frustration. You started off by saying you had never heard any of these plot holes laid out. You obviously have not been on BSN long... or any gaming forum... or youtube... or any place where you can upload videos because if you go to youtube and type in Mass Effect 3 ending... you cannot miss the overwhelming number of videos as to the plot holes and why its bad.
Feelings don't win arguments here on Bsn, pure unadulterated logic does.I already shot down his first *plot hole* with logic and like I said, I could take down the rest with logic making these "plot holes" obsolete.You won't get far in the world basing your arguments on hypotheticals and what ifs, just sayin.
This is the problem with relying on someone else to make the case for you.
Well... I at least now know why people call "Pro-Enders" stupid... its not that they necessarily are... its just that they are so incoherent when shown why people feel the way they do about the ending that its built up frustration. You started off by saying you had never heard any of these plot holes laid out. You obviously have not been on BSN long... or any gaming forum... or youtube... or any place where you can upload videos because if you go to youtube and type in Mass Effect 3 ending... you cannot miss the overwhelming number of videos as to the plot holes and why its bad.
Feelings don't win arguments here on Bsn, pure unadulterated logic does.I already shot down his first *plot hole* with logic and like I said, I could take down the rest with logic making these "plot holes" obsolete.You won't get far in the world basing your arguments on hypotheticals and what ifs, just sayin.
This is the problem with relying on someone else to make the case for you.
I said this in another thread, but I think formal argumentation about whether or not the ending is objectively bad in a literary sense is pointless right now. The people who complain about the ending think, for the most part, that they didn't get what they were promised by BioWare. That pissed a lot of people off, and they all have the right to be pissed off about the endings. No amount of logical argumentation is going to change that.
You say you're not looking for a happier ending. So what are you looking for?
An ending that does not include a deus ex machina, or the option for Shepard to flip off the Starchild and do something that is not 100% out of character.
Well, Shepard can just flip off the SC right now, though regrettably you don't get any dialog options to tell him to shove it. Just don't do any of his options. (You didn't say you wanted flipping him off to actually produce a good outcome )
I don't quite see how using the Crucible in the ways that it can be used is out of character for any Shepard.
And if the Crucible counts as a deus ex machina -- I believe it technically can't since it's introduced a little after the 2/3 point of the story, but let's not get picky -- then I don't see how an ending without a DEM is possible. The whole game's structured around it. Making the Reapers suddenly beatable without the Crucible is even more of a DEM than the Crucible itself is.
Oh yeah its completely not out of character. I just spend hours making piece between the Geth and the Quarians, have them help eachother and then this stupid kid creator god thing comes out of nowhere, and is like "there can be no peace between orcanics and synthetics" and Shepard is like "yeah ok, I am going to listen to you, its not like syntetics and organics are fighting side by side out there". Its just pure idiotic nonsense.
Yes, the game has many "Plot holes" no one can name or elaborate on.
Are you serious? Because I am having a hard time finding what you say to be a serious comment. Partly because I refuse to believe that a living person can be that dumb and still maintain the ability to breath.
There have been HUNDREDS of posts that explain the plot holes and inconsistancies in various amounts of detail. The main plot hole being the daft logic of the "Star Child".
We synthetics kill organics, to save organics from being killed by synthetics. To which our very intelligent and sometimes snarky Commander Shepard had NO INPUT or argument against this nearly retarded logic that only a down-syndrome patient could come up with.
Yes, the game has many "Plot holes" no one can name or elaborate on.
Are you serious? Because I am having a hard time finding what you say to be a serious comment. Partly because I refuse to believe that a living person can be that dumb and still maintain the ability to breath.
There have been HUNDREDS of posts that explain the plot holes and inconsistancies in various amounts of detail. The main plot hole being the daft logic of the "Star Child".
We synthetics kill organics, to save organics from being killed by synthetics. To which our very intelligent and sometimes snarky Commander Shepard had NO INPUT or argument against this nearly retarded logic that only a down-syndrome patient could come up with.
W.T.F is wrong with you?
We synthetics preserve organics to save organic life from being wiped out by sentient synthetic A.I.Trying to over simplify to get your point across makes you look like a moron grasping for straws.
Go stand in the corner and bask in your fail in silence.
Yes, the game has many "Plot holes" no one can name or elaborate on.
Are you serious? Because I am having a hard time finding what you say to be a serious comment. Partly because I refuse to believe that a living person can be that dumb and still maintain the ability to breath.
There have been HUNDREDS of posts that explain the plot holes and inconsistancies in various amounts of detail. The main plot hole being the daft logic of the "Star Child".
We synthetics kill organics, to save organics from being killed by synthetics. To which our very intelligent and sometimes snarky Commander Shepard had NO INPUT or argument against this nearly retarded logic that only a down-syndrome patient could come up with.
W.T.F is wrong with you?
We synthetics preserve organics to save organic life from being wiped out by sentient synthetic A.I.Trying to over simplify to get your point across makes you look like a moron grasping for straws.
Go stand in the corner and bask in your fail in silence.
You truly are as dumb as I thought.
You can't just wear a blinder and ignore the fact that there are plot holes and story inconsistancies just because you don't want to admit you are wrong.
If anyone is looking like a moron here, it's not me. It's you. And you are currently making it painfully obvious and putting yourself on display for everyone to see just how ignorant you are.
I'm neither anti-ender/pro-ender, so I'm just going to ask you a question since you are so logical. I'm still curious as to why/where Joker was flying away to. Also, I want to know why Liara and Javik came out of the Normandy, after they got fudged up by Harbinger's beam at the same time I did. This is in no way a satirical post, I'm just curious.
I'm neither anti-ender/pro-ender, so I'm just going to ask you a question since you are so logical. I'm still curious as to why/where Joker was flying away to. Also, I want to know why Liara and Javik came out of the Normandy, after they got fudged up by Harbinger's beam at the same time I did. This is in no way a satirical post, I'm just curious.
Emzamination would say....
That's not a plot hole or story inconsistancy because I just said so. Also, I just used logic to make you wrong. Now you are wrong and I am right because I said so. Oh, and logic, logic, logic.
Well... I at least now know why people call "Pro-Enders" stupid... its not that they necessarily are... its just that they are so incoherent when shown why people feel the way they do about the ending that its built up frustration. You started off by saying you had never heard any of these plot holes laid out. You obviously have not been on BSN long... or any gaming forum... or youtube... or any place where you can upload videos because if you go to youtube and type in Mass Effect 3 ending... you cannot miss the overwhelming number of videos as to the plot holes and why its bad.
Feelings don't win arguments here on Bsn, pure unadulterated logic does.I already shot down his first *plot hole* with logic and like I said, I could take down the rest with logic making these "plot holes" obsolete.You won't get far in the world basing your arguments on hypotheticals and what ifs, just sayin.
This is the problem with relying on someone else to make the case for you.
It is unwise to simply dismiss something because it came from someone else. The point is that this particular person made a claim that the plot holes of ME3 were never articulated and that just is not true... but if you think relisting them out will help here you go.
1. How did the Citadel get to Earth? I didn't know it could move
2. Why would Harbinger leave before confirming Shepard was dead?
3. Why did your scout say that everyone had fallen but there was a person crawling on the battlefield, Shepard was alive and Anderson also apparently made it behind you.
4. How does Anderson reach the console before you? There appears to be only one way into that control room.
5. How does the Illusive Man control Shepard?
6. How does the Illusive Man control Anderson?
7. Why is Shepard bleeding out his left side when he was never shot there and that was where he shot Anderson?
8. The Star Child
9. Why would you create Synthetics to kill organcis to protect them from synthetics?
10. Why must I destroy all synthetic life?
11. Why is the Star Child even there, with his horrible logic, if I am just to assume he is lying.
12. How do your squadmates get onto the Normandy?
13. Why is Joker running away from an explosion?
14. Why is Joker now on a planet somewhere with my crew and my ship?
15. How does me jumping into a beam of light fuse all life on the genetic level?
a. The codex does not explain this either.
16. The Sword fleet is stranded in the Sol system?
17. The Mass Relays are destroyed... did it wipe out all life in the galaxy since it has been confirmed that the destruction of a mass relay can wipe out an entire system?
18.Why is Downloadable Content the last words you see?
19. Do the Quarians and Turians, who cannot eat human food starve?
20. What happens to my Love Interest?
21. If I save the Rachni, why do I not see them contribute to the final battle?
22. Why does Harbinger not make an appearance at the end to taunt me like in ME2?
23. RGB explosions
24. Shepard taking a breath in London at the end.
25. WHY are the choices of the other games not taken into account to decide how the game ends?
Here are some other opinions, plot holes and reviews:
... and there are so very many more. I don't know why I bothered, you could pick any thread pretty much and discover a thousand reasons. Its willing ignorance that allows people to ignore this while claiming to be logical. Nothing is more illogical than saying something has never been drawn out, when it has been drawn out a million different ways... then when being shown you are wrong to claim that it wasn't done in the right way for you. If you liked the ending fine... but there are enough holes in logic to drive a reaper through.
I'm neither anti-ender/pro-ender, so I'm just going to ask you a question since you are so logical. I'm still curious as to why/where Joker was flying away to. Also, I want to know why Liara and Javik came out of the Normandy, after they got fudged up by Harbinger's beam at the same time I did. This is in no way a satirical post, I'm just curious.
Joker wasn't flying away to anywhere, he was infront of the relay.
The blast does not kill the two squad mates but nearly blows them away from the comander.If anything its illiogical they their clothes weren't bloodier.
Did you really need to type so much dribble just to say that? My opinion of your intellect has lowered considerably.
Now shhh
Hahaha. Yeah... I'm actually the one who has lowered expectations as to where and how far this conversation is going to go when you so painfully ignore the obvious and true arguments with your so called "logic".
You are a failure, your arguments are examples of extreme failure and you should feel like a failure. In fact, this entire conversation has given me the insipration to have a conversation with a pile of dog **** because it would be more enlightening than continuing this conversation.
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