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[Icemix]

Emzamination wrote...

Kmack11 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Okay...

I'm neither anti-ender/pro-ender, so I'm just going to ask you a question since you are so logical.
I'm still curious as to why/where Joker was flying away to.  Also, I want to know why Liara and Javik came out of the Normandy, after they got fudged up by Harbinger's beam at the same time I did. This is in no way a satirical post, I'm just curious. 

Joker wasn't flying away to anywhere, he was infront of the relay.

The blast does not kill the two squad mates but nearly blows them away from the comander.If anything its illiogical they their clothes weren't bloodier.

What?

[Emzamination]

FirstKillshotN7 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

FirstKillshotN7 wrote...


Well... I at least now know why people call "Pro-Enders" stupid... its not that they necessarily are... its just that they are so incoherent when shown why people feel the way they do about the ending that its built up frustration. You started off by saying you had never heard any of these plot holes laid out. You obviously have not been on BSN long... or any gaming forum... or youtube... or any place where you can upload videos because if you go to youtube and type in Mass Effect 3 ending... you cannot miss the overwhelming number of videos as to the plot holes and why its bad.

Feelings don't win arguments here on Bsn, pure unadulterated logic does.I already shot down his first *plot hole* with logic and like I said, I could take down the rest with logic making these "plot holes" obsolete.You won't get far in the world basing your arguments on hypotheticals and what ifs, just sayin. 

This is the problem with relying on someone else to make the case for you.

It is unwise to simply dismiss something because it came from someone else. The point is that this particular person made a claim that the plot holes of ME3 were never articulated and that just is not true... but if you think relisting them out will help here you go.

1. How did the Citadel get to Earth? I didn't know it could move

2. Why would Harbinger leave before confirming Shepard was dead?

3. Why did your scout say that everyone had fallen but there was a person crawling on the battlefield, Shepard was alive and Anderson also apparently made it behind you.

4. How does Anderson reach the console before you? There appears to be only one way into that control room.

5. How does the Illusive Man control Shepard?

6. How does the Illusive Man control Anderson?

7. Why is Shepard bleeding out his left side when he was never shot there and that was where he shot Anderson?

8. The Star Child

9. Why would you create Synthetics to kill organcis to protect them from synthetics?

10. Why must I destroy all synthetic life?

11. Why is the Star Child even there, with his horrible logic, if I am just to assume he is lying.

12. How do your squadmates get onto the Normandy?

13. Why is Joker running away from an explosion?

14. Why is Joker now on a planet somewhere with my crew and my ship?

15. How does me jumping into a beam of light fuse all life on the genetic level?

       a. The codex does not explain this either.

16. The Sword fleet is stranded in the Sol system?

17. The Mass Relays are destroyed... did it wipe out all life in the galaxy since it has been confirmed that the destruction of a mass relay can wipe out an entire system?

18.Why is Downloadable Content the last words you see?

19. Do the Quarians and Turians, who cannot eat human food starve?

20. What happens to my Love Interest?

21. If I save the Rachni, why do I not see them contribute to the final battle?

22. Why does Harbinger not make an appearance at the end to taunt me like in ME2?

23. RGB explosions

24. Shepard taking a breath in London at the end.

25. WHY are the choices of the other games not taken into account to decide how the game ends?

Here are some other opinions, plot holes and reviews:





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MlatxLP-xs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W25hwx6neCU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLeHm-g___8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjoorZo1IlE&feature=related

... and there are so very many more. I don't know why I bothered, you could pick any thread pretty much and discover a thousand reasons. Its willing ignorance that allows people to ignore this while claiming to be logical. Nothing is more illogical than saying something has never been drawn out, when it has been drawn out a million different ways... then when being shown you are wrong to claim that it wasn't done in the right way for you. If you liked the ending fine... but there are enough holes in logic to drive a reaper through.

1. Reapers

2. Superioritie complex

3. Already dismissed that claim

4. He is in a different hallway and since they did not give a full camera view of the room, one can not simply state there were no alternate doors.

I could do this all day but then again this is the non spoiler section

Like I said before, these "plot holes" were created by people who just rush through the game and never read the codex.Your faith in such fail is disturbing.

[Emzamination]

Icemix wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Kmack11 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Okay...

I'm neither anti-ender/pro-ender, so I'm just going to ask you a question since you are so logical.
I'm still curious as to why/where Joker was flying away to.  Also, I want to know why Liara and Javik came out of the Normandy, after they got fudged up by Harbinger's beam at the same time I did. This is in no way a satirical post, I'm just curious. 

Joker wasn't flying away to anywhere, he was infront of the relay.

The blast does not kill the two squad mates but nearly blows them away from the comander.If anything its illiogical they their clothes weren't bloodier.

What?

Buy the game?

[FirstKillshotN7]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Yes, the game has many "Plot holes" no one can name or elaborate on.

Are you serious? Because I am having a hard time finding what you say to be a serious comment.
Partly because I refuse to believe that a living person can be that dumb and still maintain the ability to breath.

There have been HUNDREDS of posts that explain the plot holes and inconsistancies in various amounts of detail.
The main plot hole being the daft logic of the "Star Child".

We synthetics kill organics, to save organics from being killed by synthetics.
To which our very intelligent and sometimes snarky Commander Shepard had NO INPUT or argument against this nearly retarded logic that only a down-syndrome patient could come up with.


W.T.F is wrong with you?

We synthetics preserve organics to save organic life from being wiped out by sentient synthetic A.I.Trying to over simplify to get your point across makes you look like a moron grasping for straws.

Go stand in the corner and bask in your fail in silence. 

You truly are as dumb as I thought.

You can't just wear a blinder and ignore the fact that there are plot holes and story inconsistancies just because you don't want to admit you are wrong.

If anyone is looking like a moron here, it's not me. It's you. And you are currently making it painfully obvious and putting yourself on display for everyone to see just how ignorant you are.

Congratulations. You are dumb.

I agree with you. I cannot understand this willing rejection of logic to try and act as if the illogical is logical and I am illogical for pointing as the illogical as what it is.

[Emzamination]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...


You are dumb, Emzamination

Fixed

Did you really need to type so much dribble just to say that? My opinion of your intellect has lowered considerably.

Now shhh

Hahaha. Yeah... I'm actually the one who has lowered expectations as to where and how far this conversation is going to go when you so painfully ignore the obvious and true arguments with your so called "logic".

You are a failure, your arguments are examples of extreme failure and you should feel like a failure.
In fact, this entire conversation has given me the insipration to have a conversation with a pile of dog **** because it would be more enlightening than continuing this conversation.

*Presses "I win" button* Thats nice, we should dance again some time talon when you can actually retort with something more than childish insults on one's intellect. 

[Icemix]

Emzamination wrote...

Icemix wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Kmack11 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Okay...

I'm neither anti-ender/pro-ender, so I'm just going to ask you a question since you are so logical.
I'm still curious as to why/where Joker was flying away to.  Also, I want to know why Liara and Javik came out of the Normandy, after they got fudged up by Harbinger's beam at the same time I did. This is in no way a satirical post, I'm just curious. 

Joker wasn't flying away to anywhere, he was infront of the relay.

The blast does not kill the two squad mates but nearly blows them away from the comander.If anything its illiogical they their clothes weren't bloodier.

What?

Buy the game?

I don't know man, in my game the relays blow up before the Normandy scene, and then I saw my ship leaving me in the peak of the battle for no ****ing reason whatsoever. I probably just got the wrong game or something.

Head cannon all you want, it doesn't equal logic.

[FirstKillshotN7]

Emzamination wrote...

FirstKillshotN7 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

FirstKillshotN7 wrote...


Well... I at least now know why people call "Pro-Enders" stupid... its not that they necessarily are... its just that they are so incoherent when shown why people feel the way they do about the ending that its built up frustration. You started off by saying you had never heard any of these plot holes laid out. You obviously have not been on BSN long... or any gaming forum... or youtube... or any place where you can upload videos because if you go to youtube and type in Mass Effect 3 ending... you cannot miss the overwhelming number of videos as to the plot holes and why its bad.

Feelings don't win arguments here on Bsn, pure unadulterated logic does.I already shot down his first *plot hole* with logic and like I said, I could take down the rest with logic making these "plot holes" obsolete.You won't get far in the world basing your arguments on hypotheticals and what ifs, just sayin. 

This is the problem with relying on someone else to make the case for you.

It is unwise to simply dismiss something because it came from someone else. The point is that this particular person made a claim that the plot holes of ME3 were never articulated and that just is not true... but if you think relisting them out will help here you go.

1. How did the Citadel get to Earth? I didn't know it could move

2. Why would Harbinger leave before confirming Shepard was dead?

3. Why did your scout say that everyone had fallen but there was a person crawling on the battlefield, Shepard was alive and Anderson also apparently made it behind you.

4. How does Anderson reach the console before you? There appears to be only one way into that control room.

5. How does the Illusive Man control Shepard?

6. How does the Illusive Man control Anderson?

7. Why is Shepard bleeding out his left side when he was never shot there and that was where he shot Anderson?

8. The Star Child

9. Why would you create Synthetics to kill organcis to protect them from synthetics?

10. Why must I destroy all synthetic life?

11. Why is the Star Child even there, with his horrible logic, if I am just to assume he is lying.

12. How do your squadmates get onto the Normandy?

13. Why is Joker running away from an explosion?

14. Why is Joker now on a planet somewhere with my crew and my ship?

15. How does me jumping into a beam of light fuse all life on the genetic level?

       a. The codex does not explain this either.

16. The Sword fleet is stranded in the Sol system?

17. The Mass Relays are destroyed... did it wipe out all life in the galaxy since it has been confirmed that the destruction of a mass relay can wipe out an entire system?

18.Why is Downloadable Content the last words you see?

19. Do the Quarians and Turians, who cannot eat human food starve?

20. What happens to my Love Interest?

21. If I save the Rachni, why do I not see them contribute to the final battle?

22. Why does Harbinger not make an appearance at the end to taunt me like in ME2?

23. RGB explosions

24. Shepard taking a breath in London at the end.

25. WHY are the choices of the other games not taken into account to decide how the game ends?

Here are some other opinions, plot holes and reviews:





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MlatxLP-xs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W25hwx6neCU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLeHm-g___8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjoorZo1IlE&feature=related

... and there are so very many more. I don't know why I bothered, you could pick any thread pretty much and discover a thousand reasons. Its willing ignorance that allows people to ignore this while claiming to be logical. Nothing is more illogical than saying something has never been drawn out, when it has been drawn out a million different ways... then when being shown you are wrong to claim that it wasn't done in the right way for you. If you liked the ending fine... but there are enough holes in logic to drive a reaper through.

1. Reapers

2. Superioritie complex

3. Already dismissed that claim

4. He is in a different hallway and since they did not give a full camera view of the room, one can not simply state there were no alternate doors.

I could do this all day but then again this is the non spoiler section

Like I said before, these "plot holes" were created by people who just rush through the game and never read the codex.Your faith in such fail is disturbing.

Heh you could not formulate a defense... its beyond you.

[Emzamination]

FirstKillshotN7 wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Yes, the game has many "Plot holes" no one can name or elaborate on.

Are you serious? Because I am having a hard time finding what you say to be a serious comment.
Partly because I refuse to believe that a living person can be that dumb and still maintain the ability to breath.

There have been HUNDREDS of posts that explain the plot holes and inconsistancies in various amounts of detail.
The main plot hole being the daft logic of the "Star Child".

We synthetics kill organics, to save organics from being killed by synthetics.
To which our very intelligent and sometimes snarky Commander Shepard had NO INPUT or argument against this nearly retarded logic that only a down-syndrome patient could come up with.


W.T.F is wrong with you?

We synthetics preserve organics to save organic life from being wiped out by sentient synthetic A.I.Trying to over simplify to get your point across makes you look like a moron grasping for straws.

Go stand in the corner and bask in your fail in silence. 

You truly are as dumb as I thought.

You can't just wear a blinder and ignore the fact that there are plot holes and story inconsistancies just because you don't want to admit you are wrong.

If anyone is looking like a moron here, it's not me. It's you. And you are currently making it painfully obvious and putting yourself on display for everyone to see just how ignorant you are.

Congratulations. You are dumb.

I agree with you. I cannot understand this willing rejection of logic to try and act as if the illogical is logical and I am illogical for pointing as the illogical as what it is.

I answer his statement

He retorts not with a counter but with a barrage of Insults

You support and Agree

Can't say I'm surprised 

[Emzamination]

FirstKillshotN7 wrote...

Heh you could not formulate a defense... its beyond you.

4/25 lol :innocent:

[FirstKillshotN7]

Emzamination wrote...

FirstKillshotN7 wrote...

Heh you could not formulate a defense... its beyond you.

4/25 lol :innocent:

No... saying "Reapers" is not an answer. Of course the reapers moved it but its not told how... I didnt know it could move. It never says the Citadel can move. You got 0/25...

[Emzamination]

Icemix wrote...

I don't know man, in my game the relays blow up before the Normandy scene, and then I saw my ship leaving me in the peak of the battle for no ****ing reason whatsoever. I probably just got the wrong game or something.

Head cannon all you want, it doesn't equal logic.

They all blew up as once? The normandy followed you? Yes you did pick up the wrong game.You should try playing me3, it's boss. 

[Icemix]

Emzamination wrote...
1. Reapers

2. Superioritie complex

3. Already dismissed that claim

4. He is in a different hallway and since they did not give a full camera view of the room, one can not simply state there were no alternate doors.

I could do this all day but then again this is the non spoiler section

Like I said before, these "plot holes" were created by people who just rush through the game and never read the codex.Your faith in such fail is disturbing.

1. I gues just saying Reapers invalidates any argument.

2. You do not know if Reapers can have that, they are part machines, part organics. They have been doing this for milions of years. You will never know if they can develop a superioritie complex.

3. Nope.

4. Actually some people have seen the room with the free vision mod or whatever it is, and its just 1 way to the control panel.

Your turn to couter sense with speculations and your own head cannons.

[Emzamination]

FirstKillshotN7 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

FirstKillshotN7 wrote...

Heh you could not formulate a defense... its beyond you.

4/25 lol :innocent:

No... saying "Reapers" is not an answer. Of course the reapers moved it but its not told how... I didnt know it could move. It never says the Citadel can move. You got 0/25...

They can create the citadel and legions of cybernetic warriors but can't create tow lines? What ever happened to good ol logic?

[FirstKillshotN7]

Emzamination wrote...

Icemix wrote...

I don't know man, in my game the relays blow up before the Normandy scene, and then I saw my ship leaving me in the peak of the battle for no ****ing reason whatsoever. I probably just got the wrong game or something.

Head cannon all you want, it doesn't equal logic.

They all blew up as once? The normandy followed you? Yes you did pick up the wrong game.You should try playing me3, it's boss. 

Oh my gosh I figured it out! CASEY HUDSON?! Is this where you have been the whole time?

[Icemix]

Emzamination wrote...

Icemix wrote...

I don't know man, in my game the relays blow up before the Normandy scene, and then I saw my ship leaving me in the peak of the battle for no ****ing reason whatsoever. I probably just got the wrong game or something.

Head cannon all you want, it doesn't equal logic.

They all blew up as once? The normandy followed you? Yes you did pick up the wrong game.You should try playing me3, it's boss. 

Wow this guy....
I feel stupid just trying to argue with him. 

[Emzamination]

Icemix wrote...

Emzamination wrote...
1. Reapers

2. Superioritie complex

3. Already dismissed that claim

4. He is in a different hallway and since they did not give a full camera view of the room, one can not simply state there were no alternate doors.

I could do this all day but then again this is the non spoiler section

Like I said before, these "plot holes" were created by people who just rush through the game and never read the codex.Your faith in such fail is disturbing.

1. I gues just saying Reapers invalidates any argument.

2. You do not know if Reapers can have that, they are part machines, part organics. They have been doing this for milions of years. You will never know if they can develop a superioritie complex.

3. Nope.

4. Actually some people have seen the room with the free vision mod or whatever it is, and its just 1 way to the control panel.

Your turn to couter sense with speculations and your own head cannons.

1. No

2. We are infinite, the vanguards of your destruction,our existence is beyond your comprehension.Yeah, no superioritie complex there

3. Yep

4. Vid link?

[Emzamination]

Icemix wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Icemix wrote...

I don't know man, in my game the relays blow up before the Normandy scene, and then I saw my ship leaving me in the peak of the battle for no ****ing reason whatsoever. I probably just got the wrong game or something.

Head cannon all you want, it doesn't equal logic.

They all blew up as once? The normandy followed you? Yes you did pick up the wrong game.You should try playing me3, it's boss. 

Wow this guy....
I feel stupid just trying to argue with him. 

Just getting here? I been here for ages. 

[Emzamination]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Emzamination wrote...


2. We are infinite, the vanguards of your destruction,our existence is beyond your comprehension.Yeah, no superioritie complex there

The ONLY valid point you've made in this thread thus far. But don't let that get to your head. Everything else you have said is full of fail.

Until my statements can be countered with something more than "To heck with your logic, you're still stupid" every one of my points is valid :happy:

Especially the one about tow lines 

[Icemix]

Emzamination wrote...

Icemix wrote...

I don't know man, in my game the relays blow up before the Normandy scene, and then I saw my ship leaving me in the peak of the battle for no ****ing reason whatsoever. I probably just got the wrong game or something.

Head cannon all you want, it doesn't equal logic.

They all blew up as once? The normandy followed you? Yes you did pick up the wrong game.You should try playing me3, it's boss. 

The beam from the Citadel reaches the relay almost instantaneous. The Relay starts overcharging and blows up dransfering the beam to the next relay. Then you see Joker trying to get away from it. So now.
1. Joker had to go into the relay before the beam from the Citadel.
2. Joker is running away in conventional FTL, in which case he shouldn't have realy made it that far from Sol.

Now the questions:
If we follow your retarded logic, what the **** was Joker doing standing near the Pluto relay?
Why would he leave me and take my crew? Joker and the crew would never do that. Its either do or die, no running away.

[Emzamination]

Icemix wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Icemix wrote...

I don't know man, in my game the relays blow up before the Normandy scene, and then I saw my ship leaving me in the peak of the battle for no ****ing reason whatsoever. I probably just got the wrong game or something.

Head cannon all you want, it doesn't equal logic.

They all blew up as once? The normandy followed you? Yes you did pick up the wrong game.You should try playing me3, it's boss. 

The beam from the Citadel reaches the relay almost instantaneous. The Relay starts overcharging and blows up dransfering the beam to the next relay. Then you see Joker trying to get away from it. So now.
1. Joker had to go into the relay before the beam from the Citadel.
2. Joker is running away in conventional FTL, in which case he shouldn't have realy made it that far from Sol.

Now the questions:
If we follow your retarded logic, what the **** was Joker doing standing near the Pluto relay?
Why would he leave me and take my crew? Joker and the crew would never do that. Its either do or die, no running away.

There is only one relay near earth and thats all dust

The Super secret project wasn't created in the sol system so joker would've had to move to help escort said project to the citadel. Logic huh?

Why would he be siting up in space with a war raging waiting for shep to call and say hes done shopping and needs pick up? 

Next

[The Razman]

FirstKillshotN7 wrote...

1. How did the Citadel get to Earth? I didn't know it could move
A. The Reapers are god-like machines, but they can't move the Citadel?

2. Why would Harbinger leave before confirming Shepard was dead?
Why would it care about Shepard in particular? There's a fleet of warships battling above him, what makes one ground troop special, hm?

3. Why did your scout say that everyone had fallen but there was a person crawling on the battlefield, Shepard was alive and Anderson also apparently made it behind you.
He never said everyone fell. He said the ground forces had been decimated and no-one had made it to the beam (which they hadn't when he'd said that).

4. How does Anderson reach the console before you? There appears to be only one way into that control room.
He's Indoctrinated.

5. How does the Illusive Man control Shepard?
Indoctrination.

6. How does the Illusive Man control Anderson?
Indoctrination.

7. Why is Shepard bleeding out his left side when he was never shot there and that was where he shot Anderson?
Big frickin' laser hit him? Did you miss that?

8. The Star Child
What?

9. Why would you create Synthetics to kill organcis to protect them from synthetics?
Because synthetics which kill some organics is better than synthetics which kill ALL organics. Which is what the Reaper's cycles are designed to prevent ever happening.

10. Why must I destroy all synthetic life?
You don't. You have two other options.

11. Why is the Star Child even there, with his horrible logic, if I am just to assume he is lying.
Why would you assume he was lying?

12. How do your squadmates get onto the Normandy?
Who knows? Genuine plothole, probably going to be fixed in the EC.

13. Why is Joker running away from an explosion?
Why WOULDN'T Joker run away from an explosion? He's not an idiot.

14. Why is Joker now on a planet somewhere with my crew and my ship?
Did you miss the bit where he the Normandy got flung out of the mass relay corridor? The Normandy crash landed.

15. How does me jumping into a beam of light fuse all life on the genetic level?
It fuses Shepard's DNA with synthetic material to create synthetic DNA and spreads it across the galaxy wth the wave. That's not a plothole, that's at worst just silly writing.

       a. The codex does not explain this either.
The codex is mean to explain everything for you?

16. The Sword fleet is stranded in the Sol system?
Yes. Not a plothole.

17. The Mass Relays are destroyed... did it wipe out all life in the galaxy since it has been confirmed that the destruction of a mass relay can wipe out an entire system?
No. Blowing up a relay and releasing its energy destroys an entire system. The relays' energy has all gone into making the wave.

18.Why is Downloadable Content the last words you see?
To sell downloadable content to you. Not a plothole.

19. Do the Quarians and Turians, who cannot eat human food starve?
Who knows? Not a plothole.

20. What happens to my Love Interest?
They live their life out on the planet. Not a plothole.

21. If I save the Rachni, why do I not see them contribute to the final battle?
Why do you need to? Not a plothole.

22. Why does Harbinger not make an appearance at the end to taunt me like in ME2?
Why does he need to? Not a plothole.

23. RGB explosions
What about them? Not a plothole.

24. Shepard taking a breath in London at the end.
What about it? Not a plothole.

25. WHY are the choices of the other games not taken into account to decide how the game ends?
They are. Just not in the final decision which stands for itself. Not a plothole.

Lesson One: Sheer volume of questions doesn't legitimise any of them. You just asked 25 questions which were meant to show plotholes ... and you only managed ONE legitimate plothole complaint. In fact, after about 8 questions you just broke down and started saying things you wanted to see but weren't in the game ... which isn't a plothole, that's just "I wanted something and they didn't give me it". Why not just list "no little blue babies" as a plothole if that's the route you're going down.

People like you make the entire Retake movement look bad, because any legitimate complaints against the endings are ignored in favour of attacking your ridiculously easily dimissed and refuted claims.