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[DirtySHISN0]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Now that the Talimancers seem to have sequestered themselves, I'd say that the femShep fanbase is the most offensively aggressive. Please note that I'm not saying that *all* femShep fans are like this, but there is definitely a large portion of Jennifer Hale fans that take up the badge of Social Justice Sally for no good reason at all in an attempt to drum up support for femShep while simultaneously actively discriminating against people that like dudeShep.

Thats because dudeshep is audio torture. Like vogon poetry.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 06 mai 2012 - 07:27 .

[Demonique]

Hellfire257 wrote...

Demonique wrote...
What character did you post pictures of her with?

James, Tali, Garrus and Traynor. Maybe some others too - can't remember.

Wait? You posted romantic pictures of her with Garrus? Do you have links to these pics? (When I heard that Tali/Garrus would hook up if either of them were unromanced I immediately thought that it should be Ash/Garrus instead (even though I'm a hardcore shipper of her and a certain battlemaster)

[Robhuzz]

Bocks wrote...

Femshep and Liara have the worst fanbases about now.

Aside from some people's obsession with blue babies, what exactly is so bad about the Liara fanbase?

[Hellfire257]

Demonique wrote...

Wait? You posted romantic pictures of her with Garrus? Do you have links to these pics? (When I heard that Tali/Garrus would hook up if either of them were unromanced I immediately thought that it should be Ash/Garrus instead (even though I'm a hardcore shipper of her and a certain battlemaster)

Ah well you never said romatic pictures...

[OchreJelly]

I think everyone who has a favourite ME character or race tends to be special, weird, or combative in their own way.

FemShepFans: "I HAVE FIVE EXOTICALLY NAMED FEMSHEPS! Have some pictures of them fighting in the Asari stripper outfit."
DudeShepFans: "Rawr, I'm a soldier because I'm a dude. Look, I don't even change the default appearance."
Liaramancers: "Everyone else chose the wrong romance, Liara is the bestest! *Neenerneener*"
Talimancers: "I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE TALI!! What would Tali think of our music, huh?"
Garrusmancers: "I love Garrus and turians so much. TURIANS! Look, a blog with lesbian turian porn on it, it's so cute!. It's not weird!"
Wrexmancers: "Yes, we exist. If you think Talimancers are weird, check Google images for 'femshep krogan.' Yeaaaaah."

Seen all of those in my travails through the internet. I'm all for enthusiasm and being a fan, but dial it down a notch or two. :<

Modifié par OchreJelly, 06 mai 2012 - 08:17 .

[o Ventus]

Depends on your definition of "aggressive". If you're talking about the particular base that is the most active/vocal, I would say Thane's, at this point.

If you're talking about the rabid fanboys who take offense at the slightest remark, then Tali. No offense to any sane, normal Tali fans. I know you exist.

[Hadeedak]

OchreJelly wrote...

I think everyone who has a favourite ME character or race tends to be special, weird, or combative in their own way.

FemShepFans: "I HAVE FIVE EXOTICALLY NAMED FEMSHEPS! Have some pictures of them fighting in the Asari stripper outfit."
DudeShepFans: "Rawr, I'm a soldier because I'm a dude. Look, I don't even change the default appearance."
Liaramancers: "Everyone else chose the wrong romance, Liara is the bestest! *Neenerneener*"
Talimancers: "I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE TALI!! What would Tali think of our music, huh?"
Garrusmancers: "I love Garrus and turians so much. TURIANS! Look, a blog with lesbian turian porn on it, it's so cute!. It's not weird!"
Wrexmancers: "Yes, we exist. If you think Talimancers are weird, check Google images for 'femshep krogan.' Yeaaaaah."

Seen all of those in my travails through the internet. I'm all for enthusiasm and being a fan, but dial it down a notch or two. :<

.....Reeeeally?

Gaddamnit internet. I bet you're right, too....

So many things seem sane and logical at the time.

[Terrorize69]

o Ventus wrote...

If you're talking about the rabid fanboys who take offense at the slightest remark, then Tali. No offense to any sane, normal Tali fans. I know you exist.

I want to disagree with this, but I cant lol. My latest FF showed that to me, I'm a Talimancer, the FF is a Talimance. But because it's not about drooling over Tali and actually has a plot that shows her in a light you don't expect.. well lets just say I've woken up to my fair share of hate mail from fellow Talimancers lol

[Draining Dragon]

I'd say it's a close competition between Blue Baby Advocates and Talimancers.

[Apathy1989]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Pre-ME3:
Tali, no doubt

Past-ME3:
Thane and Miranda for active support.
Liara for defenders. Too many Liara-mancers see every critic against her as an insult.

I think pre-ME3 the talimancers were just insane. They are still insane, but now Liaramancers have become really agressive to anyone who insults Liara or questions her plot-armour.

I am a bit of a talimancer. 

[Babi_Siha]

I don't think Liara's fans are all that bad. I actually understand some of their rage sometimes, since a lot of people who don't like Liara's extended content in ME3 and/or her plot armor complain that the character forced herself on Shepard, that she couldn't die and stuff like. Basically it looks like almost everyone who's not a Liaramancer tends to hate her.

[DevilBeast]

OchreJelly wrote...

I think everyone who has a favourite ME character or race tends to be special, weird, or combative in their own way.

FemShepFans: "I HAVE FIVE EXOTICALLY NAMED FEMSHEPS! Have some pictures of them fighting in the Asari stripper outfit."
DudeShepFans: "Rawr, I'm a soldier because I'm a dude. Look, I don't even change the default appearance."
Liaramancers: "Everyone else chose the wrong romance, Liara is the bestest! *Neenerneener*"
Talimancers: "I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE TALI!! What would Tali think of our music, huh?"
Garrusmancers: "I love Garrus and turians so much. TURIANS! Look, a blog with lesbian turian porn on it, it's so cute!. It's not weird!"
Wrexmancers: "Yes, we exist. If you think Talimancers are weird, check Google images for 'femshep krogan.' Yeaaaaah."

Seen all of those in my travails through the internet. I'm all for enthusiasm and being a fan, but dial it down a notch or two. :<

I´m going to use that line everytime someone is hating on Liara, lol:D

[Terrorize69]

Babi_Siha wrote...

I don't think Liara's fans are all that bad. I actually understand some of their rage sometimes, since a lot of people who don't like Liara's extended content in ME3 and/or her plot armor complain that the character forced herself on Shepard, that she couldn't die and stuff like. Basically it looks like almost everyone who's not a Liaramancer tends to hate her.

I didn't hate Liara, but what I did hate, is how it "seemed" to me that at the start of ME3, that BW tried to force both Liara and Ash(Kaidan) down your throats.

[Grimwick]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

I don't think Liara's fans are all that bad. I actually understand some of their rage sometimes, since a lot of people who don't like Liara's extended content in ME3 and/or her plot armor complain that the character forced herself on Shepard, that she couldn't die and stuff like. Basically it looks like almost everyone who's not a Liaramancer tends to hate her.

I didn't hate Liara, but what I did hate, is how it "seemed" to me that at the start of ME3, that BW tried to force both Liara and Ash(Kaidan) down your throats.

I thought that was because they were the two characters you haven't fought with/seen much in ME2 (ignoring LotSB ofc).
All the other characters available were in ME2 or are brand new so I thought the developers wanted to stick in Liara/VS just to get their screen time up.

[Babi_Siha]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

I don't think Liara's fans are all that bad. I actually understand some of their rage sometimes, since a lot of people who don't like Liara's extended content in ME3 and/or her plot armor complain that the character forced herself on Shepard, that she couldn't die and stuff like. Basically it looks like almost everyone who's not a Liaramancer tends to hate her.

I didn't hate Liara, but what I did hate, is how it "seemed" to me that at the start of ME3, that BW tried to force both Liara and Ash(Kaidan) down your throats.

I never minded Liara, always thought she was a good friend and a good LI and her lack of screentime in ME2 didn't seem far, so I could understand her being a big part of the beginning in ME3. But I do hate Ash/Kaidan so much since Horizon, that it really pissed me off that in ME2 I romanced Miranda and Thane and in ME3 we were treated as if the VS was the love of Shepard's life, shoving those two down our throats are not choices, it's BioWare's favoritism.

[Air36723]

I've seen all sides be very vehement in their defense of their chosen LI. I think the people who "hate" a character and inflame that characters fan base deserve more of a calling out then the fans do. If you bait a tiger don't be surprised when ya get bitten. I generally try to stay neutral in the fan base fights simply because i'm a fan of multiple characters, Ash, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Thane are my personal favs, but my opinions only matter to one person...me, so i don't try to force others to see those characters from my viewpoint.

[Caja]

First of all, I loved the urbandictionary entry *g*. Secondly, I didn’t post in the BioWare forum for a long time because work and studies kept me busy. The first time I log back in, I see that BioWare updated the rules of conduct. A colleague told me that one of the DA2-writers got attacked by posters here. And I was really thinking *wtf*? Seriously?

Then I was again too busy to read posts, only that this time I was busy playing ME 3 (and still working and studying), so I missed out a lot.  

I’ve finished the game now I wanted to catch up. After browsing through some threads I came to this one. And I still ask myself: what’s going on? Female Shepard-Fans vs. male Shepard-Fans? Liara fans are aggressive? Kaidan fans are aggressive? Tali fans are aggressive? Garrus fans are aggressive? Basically pretty much everybody seems to be aggressive… So, maybe it’s just me but I’m under the impression that people are less civilized nowadays on this forum than they used to be. And I can’t help but wonder: What happened to the fruitful discussions? Also, people are entitled to have their own opinions. So, I’m a Kaidan fan and if someone tells me he doesn’t like the character, that’s just the way it is. I would be curious about his reasons, though.

After thinking about it for a bit before posting, I came to the conclusion that BioWare has probably some of the most passionate fans out there. Which is good on one side because it shows that players really care about the characters and, in a way, “bound” with them. On the other hand it’s a little be scary … After all, it’s just a game and if one can’t discuss its content in a civil manner anymore (characters, ending, voice acting and whatever), it’s really kind of sad.
So, to answer the original poster’s questions: The most aggressive fans are probably the one who lost perspective for how you treat other persons. To whatever fanbase they belong to. And I'm not saying that's in the nature of things, because there are polite fans out there.

Modifié par Caja, 06 mai 2012 - 10:04 .

[OchreJelly]

Yeah, to be honest, the issue is the hating, not the liking.

As my avatar probably gives away, Tali is my personal favourite character. But I'm also a big fan of Garrus, Javik, Mordin, Liara, and others. My enjoyment of the characters overall is what made me like the series to start with.

I think right now, the issues are worsened a little with BioWare's tendency to not give equal yet varied attention to character arcs, and bonus content to those who play the romance part of a character.

DevilBeast wrote...

I´m going to use that line everytime someone is hating on Liara, lol:D

Make sure to bold it and use pink text on the neener neener part.

[o Ventus]

OchreJelly wrote...

Yeah, to be honest, the issue is the hating, not the liking.

As my avatar probably gives away, Tali is my personal favourite character. But I'm also a big fan of Garrus, Javik, Mordin, Liara, and others. My enjoyment of the characters overall is what made me like the series to start with.

I think right now, the issues are worsened a little with BioWare's tendency to not give equal yet varied attention to character arcs, and bonus content to those who play the romance part of a character.

Agreed.

[Yuqi]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

The extreme end of the Femshep Fanbase, are the worst IMO.

Well to be fair, have you tried Renegade FemShep? 

She. Is. Evil.

I wouldn't be surprised if that rubbed off onto some of the fans. 

Yes, and Renegade Femshep is insanely awsome.

Yes, she is. No doubt about that. The default look with the red Renegade eyes and scars. Epic. Lol too bad she can't romance Tali.

Very epic. Although 100% Renegade shep might scare Tali....

Actually it's the Paragon fanbase that  is the most agressive:P

Modifié par Yuqi, 06 mai 2012 - 11:11 .

[Tom Lehrer]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

 does Ashley ever apologize for what she said about aliens? (not a rhetorical question here; I actually don't know)

What does she ever say about aliens that is offensive and would need to apologize for? Her worst line I can remeber is something along the lines of "If the chips are down we[humanity] should be ready to stand on our own because they[alien governments] might not help us"

On Topic:

Liaramances seem to be the most aggresive. They dont go around starting hate threads but if someone makes a post saying "I dont like Liara comming into Shepards room so much" they are all over it like white on rice with one liners like 'deal with it' and 'you just mad your romance option sucks bro.' 

[Kaelef]

It's funny reading the different answers here. Obviously everyone's going to have a somewhat different perception of which group is the "most aggressive" based on which characters they happen to like and dislike.

The point about the haters being the real problem is the one thing that should be true across-the-board. It'd be nice if everyone would remember that personal preferences are just that, and no one should be surprised that others have different opinions from themselves.


That said, if you don't love Liara, then there's clearly something very wrong deep within your soul...



@OchreJelly: I was just thinking of a Space Hamster signature image!

@Hadeedak: Your "fanged Lego attack" is possibly the best single line I've ever read on BSN.  I laughed.  I cried.  I spit a little.

Modifié par Kaelef, 07 mai 2012 - 03:33 .

[Hadeedak]

I feel my job here is done.

[spirosz]

Ironic, that Jack's fanbase isn't really considered.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Caja wrote...

 So, maybe it’s just me but I’m under the impression that people are less civilized nowadays on this forum than they used to be.

Hardly.

After ME2 came out there was a lot of infighting among the 'mancers': Team Dextro romancers hated the ME1 LIs, Liara romancers hated Team Dextro, VS romancers hated everything because the VS got the shaft, alien romancers thought Ashley and Miranda were awful bigots, human romancers thought alien romancers were creepy perverts, Jack romancers hated Miranda, Miranda romancers hated Jack and Tali, and Jacob romancers existed supposedly.

Nowadays everything is much simpler: People who romanced someone other than Liara hate Liara, ME2 romancers hate everything because they got the shaft and Joker fans hate the writers and EDI.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 07 mai 2012 - 05:14 .