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[4stringwizard]

Ah yes, "the extended cut." A DLC that's supposed to make up for the atrocity that was ME3.

We have dismissed that claim.

[Taboo]

You misunderstand the meaning of narrative reconstruction.......

You accept the PR statement at face value and call everything else a lie.

[Apollo-XL5]

Well if angry one has made up his/her mind then can he/she just not bother coming back ro the form, j doubt anyone wants to read any more bile coming from this person. That is a serious problem on these forums.

At this rate the forums should be renamed to ' the anti-social network'.

[kyg_20X6]

The Angry One wrote...

What we know about the EC

- No change to ending
- No retcons
- Keeping the Catalyst
- Current ending is "artistic" and they are proud of it
- No gameplay Source?
- "Even more clarity and context"

I see no reason to be in the slightest bit optimistic of a DLC that sounds like it's designed to patronise me and explain to me very slowly just how the ending is artistic so my little philestine mind understands.
It may work for you if you like the current ending, but if you like the current ending.. what's the point of the EC?

For me, my biggest problems with the ending after viewing were that the sequence was weird and dreamlike and didn't fit the rest of the game; strange things were happening without explanation and characters were behaving out of character. My biggest problem is there was no closure to the major characters/races/plots.

From everything I've heard about the EC, these are the things they intend to address. They're not going to change that something happened in the ending but give you extra scenes that give you context and explain it better. For example, Joker fleeing. Some extra scenes showing why Joker is fleeing, how your squad got onboard, are they abandoning Shepard and where did they end up, wouldn't be "patronizing". Or what happened to Harbinger. Or what happened after the breath scene. We may even get additions to the battle on Earth, like the replacement of the cut dialogue/scenes showing allies in action. And the fact that the epilogue takes place AFTER the ending pretty much means the characters don't stay on that uncharted world (would be a very uniform epilogue if that was the case). And the fact that they're getting the major voice talent back (for a free DLC) speaks highly to its quality, since they never really did that even for PAID DLC.

There is certiainly cause for some optimism.

[Karolus_V]

The Angry One wrote...

Karolus_V wrote...

Isn't best to wait until we see the EC unfold to make conclusions? When they say this, they are lowering the prospects (expectations is the word maybe?) of the people complaining, so they havent to redo it all. If people dont think there will be some gameplay, retcons, changes...if they actually change something, even one of these, people will take it better than if they know some of these were going to change.

I am not making conclusions. I am just saying that BioWare inspire no confidence in me.
I am not negative for the sake of being negative, there is just currently no evidence that I should take the EC seriously as something that's going to fix the ending.

And now the question is, what you think will sufice as a fix for the ending?

[The Angry One]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You misunderstand the meaning of narrative reconstruction.......

You accept the PR statement at face value and call everything else a lie.

I'm not accepting anything, I've already said that it's a possibility the PR statement and the twitter posts are inaccurate.
However, those are all we have and I certainly haven't heard anything positive on this.

[The Angry One]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

For me, my biggest problems with the ending after viewing were that the sequence was weird and dreamlike and didn't fit the rest of the game; strange things were happening without explanation and characters were behaving out of character. My biggest problem is there was no closure to the major characters/races/plots.

From everything I've heard about the EC, these are the things they intend to address. They're not going to change that something happened in the ending but give you extra scenes that give you context and explain it better. For example, Joker fleeing. Some extra scenes showing why Joker is fleeing, how your squad got onboard, are they abandoning Shepard and where did they end up, wouldn't be "patronizing". Or what happened to Harbinger. Or what happened after the breath scene. We may even get additions to the battle on Earth, like the replacement of the cut dialogue/scenes showing allies in action. And the fact that the epilogue takes place AFTER the ending pretty much means the characters don't stay on that uncharted world (would be a very uniform epilogue if that was the case). And the fact that they're getting the major voice talent back (for a free DLC) speaks highly to its quality, since they never really did that even for PAID DLC.

There is certiainly cause for some optimism.

The Normandy fleeing makes no sense. Period. No explanation can justify this scene, it is out of place and revoltingly out of character.

[Taboo]

All I can give you is an opinion on what I know about development cycles from the film industry...

After this IMDB debacle though.....

****.

[Darth_Trethon]

Kunari801 wrote...

As much as I'd love to see Star-brat removed I'm not expecting it.  Don't set yourself up to be disapointed. 

I wouldn't go that far but it's not going to be an abosulte.....all as is or all changed. I suspect it'll be a wildly different version of the IT than we suspect with a lot more "real" elements to it than the IT allows....like a painted over reality and they may even stick to the three choices only presented in completely different ways to the point where they might as well be different endings completely. I also think they will bring a lot of variety based on EMS, romance, allies and companions.

[Dendio1]

At this point I believe extended cut will reveal Control and Synthesis to be bad endings. Destroy will be the good ending, and it will be revealed that the geth are not destroyed ( or fully destroyed) after all. Im also holding out hope for Anderson not being dead.

Say what you want, but this+ a little more involvement from squadmates would make me happy.

Then we can all move on to playable epilogue dlc.

[richard_rider]

Action speak louder than words, BW's actions, not their words, have established a sense of mistrust, and that ain't an easy fix.

[Vlta]

I'm betting they're just going with a with a fallout new vegas style addition to the ending where they just have a bunch of the characters talking, about what happened and such. They've flat out said they aren't changing or adding anything before the ending and with that they're only "clarifying" it.

Truth be told I'm less interested in what they produce at this point and more interested in the reactions it receives.

[richard_rider]

Dendio1 wrote...

At this point I believe extended cut will reveal Control and Synthesis to be bad endings. Destroy will be the good ending, and it will be revealed that the geth are not destroyed ( or fully destroyed) after all. Im also holding out hope for Anderson not being dead.

Say what you want, but this+ a little more involvement from squadmates would make me happy.

Then we can all move on to playable epilogue dlc.

With all due respect, you wish...and so do I.

[The Angry One]

Karolus_V wrote...

And now the question is, what you think will sufice as a fix for the ending?

A complete overhaul of Priority: Earth with the inclusion of the cut content, less stupid tactics, better gameplay flow and the inclusion of the Ilos conduit somehow instead of the Reaper idiot teleporter, for starters.

But since that's sadly out of the question, the bare minimum would be a retcon of the Catalyst to not be the leader of the Reapers (very basic and fundamental requirement), changing destroy to not harm the Geth/EDI at max EMS, the total removal and replacement of the Normandy scene/have the Normandy crash on Earth, Shepard being able to unite with their LI at max EMS along with saving the Citadel and the mass relays.

Very ideally, the total removal of synthesis. But for some reason some people actually like imposing eugenics on the galaxy so I guess this has to stay, realistically.

If they do this, great. But I'm expecting they won't.

Modifié par The Angry One, 07 mai 2012 - 01:06 .

[FBI-Azzurri]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Keep an eye out for any sign of Keith Szarabajka. If he's being recorded, there's a darn good chance it's Harbinger. If it's Harbinger then... something big's coming.

Let's hope so. And if they some how by a miracle scrap the whole StarChild scene, myself and a lot of people are going to be very happy this Summer.

Modifié par FBI-Azzurri, 07 mai 2012 - 01:05 .

[Taboo]

Destroy is the only ending that creates plot flags..

And the ending will have cinematics......

[Darth_Trethon]

Vlta wrote...

I'm betting they're just going with a with a fallout new vegas style addition to the ending where they just have a bunch of the characters talking, about what happened and such. They've flat out said they aren't changing or adding anything before the ending and with that they're only "clarifying" it.

Truth be told I'm less interested in what they produce at this point and more interested in the reactions it receives.

I expect there will be some of this to the EC but not all the EC will be this way. I expect that party reunion and such will be handled in a cinematics as well as key elements most people are looking for....some allies, LI and so on.

[jstme]

4stringwizard wrote...

Ah yes, "the extended cut." A DLC that's supposed to make up for the atrocity that was ME3.

We have dismissed that claim.

I disagree. ME3 was pretty good game with atrocious ending. Maybe they will fix it - it is hard to make it worse after all. Though the vibes i get from recent subtle ME3 PR are not encouraging.

[kyg_20X6]

I think it is unreasonable to ask BW to change their narrative for you. And if you're still holding on to motions of doing this, you're wasting your time.

But they can add content to the current narrative to make it more enjoyable and rewarding for you. Which is what they seem to be aiming to do. I think efforts are better spent trying to ensure BW add the most satisfying content they can (address the most important concerns), then being intractable, demanding change and spitting hate.

[Darth_Trethon]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Destroy is the only ending that creates plot flags..

And the ending will have cinematics......

Hmm....strong chance of the IT I would suspect if this is true.

[Taboo]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Destroy is the only ending that creates plot flags..

And the ending will have cinematics......

Hmm....strong chance of the IT I would suspect if this is true.

Or they expand upon a high EMS destroy ending choice.........

Very simple..............

[The Angry One]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

I think it is unreasonable to ask BW to change their narrative for you. And if you're still holding on to motions of doing this, you're wasting your time.

But they can add content to the current narrative to make it more enjoyable and rewarding for you. Which is what they seem to be aiming to do. I think efforts are better spent trying to ensure BW add the most satisfying content they can (address the most important concerns), then being intractable, demanding change and spitting hate.

NOTHING they can add to the Normandy fleeing scene will make it better.
No. They need to change it. Their narrative is wrong. The idea they ever thought siding with Space Hitler and Joker becoming a coward in the galaxy's last hour of need was right gives me a migraine.

This has nothing to do with hate. This is about love for Mass Effect, for it's world and it's characters. It deserves more than to end like this.

[Kunari801]

The Angry One wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Sounds like you have made up your mind. Look at the tread here:  http://social.biowar.../index/11005521   It takes the endings AS-IS and still makes them much better.  That is without ANY changes.

Nonsense. Those epilogues are decent, but they immediately retcon the relays and the Citadel being destroyed.

Now look at some of the fan-made scripts that include logical star-brat arguments and counter-arguments with your Shepard.  They also make it better.

Again, retcons. Also, it doesn't matter if Shepard can argue with Space Hitler. If it ends with Shepard doing his bidding regardless, the exercise is pointless.

Sure I'd love to see them remove star brat and go with something like this fan-made YouTube video:   http://social.biowar.../index/11005521   I still tear up every time I watch it. 

Removal is not strictly necesarry, but a heavy re-write is. Unfortunately I don't see the EC doing that, not if it's as they have described it.  

I'm not going to try and convince you as I myself am cautious about the EC.  I just choose to judge it when it comes out than make up my mind now. 

[Taboo]

You can make the jungle scene a dream sequence.....

It's been done before.....

[lordnyx1]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Destroy is the only ending that creates plot flags..

And the ending will have cinematics......

Hmm....strong chance of the IT I would suspect if this is true.

Or they expand upon a high EMS destroy ending choice.........

Very simple..............

We get to kill Laira Barrier and Vega Shields?