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[shepskisaac]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Hmm....strong chance of the IT I would suspect if this is true.

People still believe in IT? C'mon guys

[Darth_Trethon]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

I think it is unreasonable to ask BW to change their narrative for you. And if you're still holding on to motions of doing this, you're wasting your time.

But they can add content to the current narrative to make it more enjoyable and rewarding for you. Which is what they seem to be aiming to do. I think efforts are better spent trying to ensure BW add the most satisfying content they can (address the most important concerns), then being intractable, demanding change and spitting hate.

They will do whatever is best for business.....and it's not even up to them really...I suspect that since this became a EA corporate problem EA is making the calls on big things. They'll likely take the economically safe-bet decission so expect at least one possibility of a rosy-happy ending in the EC.....likely derived from the Destroy ending's breath scene which will likely require a lot less EMS than it does now.

[Deemz]

Angry One - what if it was EDI who made the Normandy flee?

[Taboo]

I kept talking......

Why?

[RocketManSR2]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Or they expand upon a high EMS destroy ending choice.........

Very simple..............

Now, BioWare, about that whole MP needed for 4000+ EMS issue.......

[The Angry One]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You can make the jungle scene a dream sequence.....

It's been done before.....

Feh, it's offensively stupid even as a dream.
But hey deleted from the game or just deleted from continuity, either works for me.

Or you know what? Just have it crash in synthesis. That's what they made the whole scene for anyway. Have your Adam and Eve ending, BioWare.
I'll never pick synthesis anyway so have at it, just give destroy something else.

[Taboo]

I will admit that a miracle would need to happen if Synthesis would be explained.

Oh God I hope not......

[Deathstroke123]

The Angry One wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Miss Merizan told me that people will decide to be unhappy regardless of what happens......

A fair point.   

Agreed, many have already talked themselves into hating the EC.   . 

And just as many have set themselves up for a fall in putting their faith in something they know nothing about.

God forbid people don't act childish and petulant right from the get-go.

I know it's your MO, but give this **** a rest already. You act high and mighty, none of the devs are going to want to engage in discussion with you, and I can't blame them. You've been trying for about 2 months now and it's gotten us nowhere.

And before you tell me that you don't act like that, your far fetched assertions that the synthesis ending is somehow racist (you don't seem to know what this word means, btw) and by extension, Bioware is racist, tell me all I need to know about you.

Modifié par Deathstroke123, 07 mai 2012 - 01:16 .

[The Angry One]

Deemz wrote...

Angry One - what if it was EDI who made the Normandy flee?

EDI would never do that.
Also, Joker would be telling her to stop, and wouldn't be quite so happy with her as he is afterwards.

There is not a single character on that ship who'd abandon the fight for any reason. Not Joker, not EDI, not Garrus, not Javik and not Boo.

[The Angry One]

Deathstroke123 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Miss Merizan told me that people will decide to be unhappy regardless of what happens......

A fair point.   

Agreed, many have already talked themselves into hating the EC.   . 

And just as many have set themselves up for a fall in putting their faith in something they know nothing about.

God forbid people don't act childish and petulant right from the get-go.

I know it's your MO, but give this **** a rest already. You act high and mighty, none of the devs are going to want to engage in discussion with you, and I can't blame them. You've been trying for about 2 months now and it's gotten us nowhere.

Of course, you're so much more mature with your indignant flaming.
You wasted precious seconds of my time reading your post, return them post-haste.

And before you tell me that you don't act like that, your far fetched
assertions that the synthesis ending is somehow racist (you don't seem
to know what this word means, btw) and by extension, Bioware is racist,
tell me all I need to know about you.

The philosophy behind synthesis is racist. I'm not the only one who sees it. I know what the word means, and YOU don't seem to know the implications behind synthesis in the game are.
I have said that I question the morality of anyone who considers synthesis the best ending. If that infers something more to you, that's your problem.

Modifié par The Angry One, 07 mai 2012 - 01:18 .

[shepskisaac]

The Angry One wrote...

And just as many have set themselves up for a fall in putting their faith in something they know nothing about.

Yes because you've come back from the future and in comprsion to everyone else already played EC and know everything about it. Ohh wait

[Darth_Trethon]

IsaacShep wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Hmm....strong chance of the IT I would suspect if this is true.

People still believe in IT? C'mon guys

C'mon what? As I see it it's the only thing that makes sense about the endings and fully consistent with ME lore. The IT is not really even ours.....we're simply seeing what is there. The EC may have a completely different interpretation of it than we expect with a lot more reality and a lot less dream but I do thinkl they'll take it in some capacity.

[kyg_20X6]

The Angry One wrote...

Karolus_V wrote...

And now the question is, what you think will sufice as a fix for the ending?

A complete overhaul of Priority: Earth with the inclusion of the cut content, less stupid tactics, better gameplay flow and the inclusion of the Ilos conduit somehow instead of the Reaper idiot teleporter, for starters.

But since that's sadly out of the question, the bare minimum would be a retcon of the Catalyst to not be the leader of the Reapers (very basic and fundamental requirement), changing destroy to not harm the Geth/EDI at max EMS (Shepard's survival in the breath scene highly suggests this), the total removal and replacement of the Normandy scene/have the Normandy crash on Earth (an epilogue highly suggests they get off the uncharted world and I don't believe it is impossible to add scenes clarifying the Normandy's movements), Shepard being able to unite with their LI at max EMS (an epilogue, coupled with Shepard breathing, would highly suggest this is likely unless BW makes a highly cynical mistake) along with saving the Citadel and the mass relays (we don't know their fate, BW has sent mixed messages, might not be as bad as it seems).

Very ideally, the total removal of synthesis. But for some reason some people actually like imposing eugenics on the galaxy so I guess this has to stay, realistically. (I don't like the option but it should remain.)

If they do this, great. But I'm expecting they won't.

A lot of what you're asking for is your own personal narrative ideas implemented. I would venture to say a lot of what you ask isn't shared by a majority of fans and much of the rest could be addressed by the EC. (see above)

[Deathstroke123]

The Angry One wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Miss Merizan told me that people will decide to be unhappy regardless of what happens......

A fair point.   

Agreed, many have already talked themselves into hating the EC.   . 

And just as many have set themselves up for a fall in putting their faith in something they know nothing about.

God forbid people don't act childish and petulant right from the get-go.

I know it's your MO, but give this **** a rest already. You act high and mighty, none of the devs are going to want to engage in discussion with you, and I can't blame them. You've been trying for about 2 months now and it's gotten us nowhere.

Of course, you're so much more mature with your indignant flaming.
You wasted precious seconds of my time reading your post, return them post-haste.

And I must thank you for not trying to refute my point in any sense.

Next.

[shepskisaac]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Hmm....strong chance of the IT I would suspect if this is true.

People still believe in IT? C'mon guys

C'mon what? As I see it it's the only thing that makes sense about the endings and fully consistent with ME lore. The IT is not really even ours.....we're simply seeing what is there. The EC may have a completely different interpretation of it than we expect with a lot more reality and a lot less dream but I do thinkl they'll take it in some capacity.

They won't take it in any capacity. IT is nothing more than "stuck in denial stage"

[Vlta]

Angry One the hate flows through you... >_>

[Darth_Trethon]

IsaacShep wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Hmm....strong chance of the IT I would suspect if this is true.

People still believe in IT? C'mon guys

C'mon what? As I see it it's the only thing that makes sense about the endings and fully consistent with ME lore. The IT is not really even ours.....we're simply seeing what is there. The EC may have a completely different interpretation of it than we expect with a lot more reality and a lot less dream but I do thinkl they'll take it in some capacity.

They won't take it in any capacity. IT is nothing more than "stuck in denial stage"

Denying that it has any merit is just as much denial if not much more than simply seeing it for what it is.....a very strong route of approach. Even Patrick Weekes said that any comment in regards to the IT from them would be spoilers.

I get it....you hate the IT for whatever reason....but it still doesn't change what it is, mostly BioWare's creation really. It is FULLY presented with BioWare lore and cinematics. We didn't do much.....fans can take no creadit for it really and was likely inteded in Mr Walter's SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE ploy.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 07 mai 2012 - 01:27 .

[The Angry One]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Shepard's survival in the breath scene highly suggests this

No it doesn't.

an epilogue highly suggests they get off the uncharted world and I don't believe it is impossible to add scenes clarifying the Normandy's movements

You cannot "clarify" what the Normandy did without making Joker or his superiors look like morons.
The Normandy's place was at the battle. The battle that was still going up until the exact moment the Crucible is fired. Period.

an epilogue, coupled with Shepard breathing, would highly suggest this is likely unless BW makes a highly cynical mistake

We shall see.

we don't know their fate, BW has sent mixed messages, might not be as bad as it seems

You mean what Weekes said?
Look, I respect Weekes as a writer, but he's the one that said that nowhere in game is it stated that 12 lightyears per day is the speed of Citadel ships. Except, you know.. the codex.

The Reapers' thrusters and FTL drives appear to propel them at more than
twice the speed of Citadel ships. Estimates of their location in dark
space suggest they can travel nearly 30 light-years in a 24-hour period.


So whatever.

A lot of what you're asking for is your own personal narrative ideas implemented. I would venture to say a lot of what you ask isn't shared by a majority of fans and much of the rest could be addressed by the EC. (see above)

Hey, I was asked what I would consider a good EC, and that was my answer.
Also, many of the things I outlined are very basic. What is the point of the Catalyst being the leader of the Reapers and hence the worst war criminal of all time? Tell me.

[The Angry One]

Deathstroke123 wrote...

And I must thank you for not trying to refute my point in any sense.

Next.

You made no point in that post, please don't pretend you did, the dishonesty is somewhat irksome.

[Deathstroke123]

Vlta wrote...

Angry One the hate flows through you... >_>

Not so much hate as delusion enabling him to see what he wishes to see.

[ShepnTali]

Given what we've gotten after wildly exaggerated claims, it's not at all unreasonable to be pessimistic, while holding out hope for a small miracle.

[Taboo]

You understand how the audience becomes unaware of logical faults if they are pleased emotionally? Yes?

Film school lesson 101.

Unless you're angry......

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 07 mai 2012 - 01:26 .

[Karolus_V]

The Angry One wrote...

Karolus_V wrote...

And now the question is, what you think will sufice as a fix for the ending?

A complete overhaul of Priority: Earth with the inclusion of the cut content, less stupid tactics, better gameplay flow and the inclusion of the Ilos conduit somehow instead of the Reaper idiot teleporter, for starters.

But since that's sadly out of the question, the bare minimum would be a retcon of the Catalyst to not be the leader of the Reapers (very basic and fundamental requirement), changing destroy to not harm the Geth/EDI at max EMS, the total removal and replacement of the Normandy scene/have the Normandy crash on Earth, Shepard being able to unite with their LI at max EMS along with saving the Citadel and the mass relays.

Very ideally, the total removal of synthesis. But for some reason some people actually like imposing eugenics on the galaxy so I guess this has to stay, realistically.

If they do this, great. But I'm expecting they won't.

Uhm, its hard to get all this.Thats like redoing the entire final chapter. Dont be mistaken, I would love to see Priority Earth improved vastly, Harbinger having a large role( and with that I am not talking stompiong him), and be able to actually argue with the starbrat, oh, and the Normandy scene...WTF is doing in my ending?.  In reality , for me, Normandy scene away, and some more Harbinger,shep arguing with the starbrat, plus, some epilogue, even if only text, will suffice(at bare minimum). Anyway I have...hope bioware is taking this seriously, and somehow they will deliver.

[Kunari801]

Vlta wrote...

Angry One the hate flows through you... >_>

Ok Ok, stop beating up on her.  

[kyg_20X6]

The Angry One wrote...

NOTHING they can add to the Normandy fleeing scene will make it better.
No. They need to change it. Their narrative is wrong. The idea they ever thought siding with Space Hitler and Joker becoming a coward in the galaxy's last hour of need was right gives me a migraine.

This has nothing to do with hate. This is about love for Mass Effect, for it's world and it's characters. It deserves more than to end like this.

Scene: Normandy/shuttle ordered to pick survivors from beam push on Earth. Squad picked up.
Scene: Hackett aware Shepard is still alive (already knows in-game, since he tells you Crucible ain't working). Orders Normandy to rescue.
Scene: Breath scene takes place in-between Shepard shooting conduit and firing of Crucible. Shepard wakes up just as Normandy arrives, squad hops out and rescues Shepard.
Scene(s): Sword/shield fleets ordered to retreat as mission is completed. Fear of blast consequences. Normandy races through relay. Blast forces crash on uncharted world. Everyone still together.
Scene: Alliance forces find and rescue Normandy crew.
Epilogue.

I'd be happy with this. BW could surely write something even better. It doesn't change the ending, it adds clarification and closure to at least 3-4 criticised scenes.