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#426
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The Angry One wrote...

The leader of the Reapers. It is not an impartial information giver by definition.

True, but at most he can try to sway you and try to convince you because it's clear he can't control the situation, that's definitely not dictating terms.

The Catalyst's goal is to stop the supposed conflict, which it believes synthesis will do.
The Reapers believe their form to be superior, and that all who become it are ascended.
Synthesis may be different from Reaperisation in method, but it is in principle the same thing, fushing organic and synthetic into a new life form. This is Reaperisation only on some kind of molecular scale (let's ignore the crushingly bad science of that).

And? Because it is the Reapers' goal it is a bad thing? That would be up to the player, it's like hating on Saren because he believes in transhumanism.
Synthesis isn't inherently bad, you can hate fervorously the idea of the Reapers and the procces of their construction but you don't have to hate synthesis, the basic idea might be the same but the result is vastly different. That said I agree it has dire moral implications, but that's a discussion for other time.

It destroys all synthetics. This is more the Catalyst's philosophy than organic species.

No it isn't, the Catalyst is a logic being, logic dictates that losing the Reapers is the worst possible outcome for it's solution, it makes no sense, on the other hand I can see why the Crucible might detroy all synthetics, both as a conscious or collateral effect of it's function.

In the cycles, synthetics are often victims of the Reapers as well, such as the zha'til. Destroy as it currently functions feels more like a creator-designed failsafe than an anti-Reaper device speficially.

Or a design choice, or a side effect, or speculation.

It claims that the Crucible has "changed" it and it's solution is no longer valid.
Why must we be rigidly held to these new solutions? It is either lying, or Shepard is stupid for not even trying to make it see reason.

We are never explained what changes the crucible produced on it, it doesn't mean the crucible changed it's philosophy or viewpoint, besides those new possibilities are tied to the crucible and the crucible only can do that much.



Yes. I can prove it with the fact that this info is not in the Crucible files. 
It is ludicrous to believe that these plans would survive every single cycle but nothing else. Literally, all you would need is a picture of the Citadel among the Crucible files.

We don't know that, the information on the Mars archives might have been incomplete, or maybe the Protheans discovered pieces of information that didn't reveal the nature of the Catalyst itself until they found about it later, and the Mars info was outdated, or maybe not. Point is: we don't know and BioWare can make something up if they want.

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The Angry One wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

I am still wondering why people think you're "surrendering" to the Catalyst, it doesn't even control the Crucible at all it is just telling you what you can do with it.


It is dictating terms, telling you what to do and when to do it.
The Crucible's functions, in one way or another, follow it's philosophy. It may not favour the Reapers precisely - aside from synthesis - but they all follow his world view (synthetics will always kill organics).
Even in destroy it gets to condescend to you and holds the Geth/EDI hostage. Moreover it outright WANTS you to choose synthesis and carry out the Reaper agenda to it's final conclusion.

Moreover, I've stated again and again, the only logical origin for the Crucible is either the Catalyst itself, or it's creators.


In this I agree with Angry One.  

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I still haven't forgiven myself....

IMDB.......

Why...........

Why...........

Why...........

#429
Thorn Harvestar

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Taboo-XX wrote...

I still haven't forgiven myself....

IMDB.......

Why...........

Why...........

Why...........


Don't sweat it, lol. It's OK

#430
Kunari801

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Taboo-XX wrote...

I still haven't forgiven myself....

IMDB.......

Why...........

Why...........

Why...........


:happy:  Sorry man, it's OK, we all makes mistakes. 

#431
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While its good to here that VAs have been brought back in for more recording, I'm still worried about whether or not the EC will be better or worse than the endings.

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Oh man.......

You don't understand..........

I shouldn't be making those kinds of mistakes......

I've been doing this for several years now.........

Damn.

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Thorn Harvestar

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Oh man.......

You don't understand..........

I shouldn't be making those kinds of mistakes......

I've been doing this for several years now.........

Damn.


I don't think it's a big mistake when your original method would have essentially accomplished the same results.

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Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Oh man.......

You don't understand..........

I shouldn't be making those kinds of mistakes......

I've been doing this for several years now.........

Damn.


I don't think it's a big mistake when your original method would have essentially accomplished the same results.


Yeah but........I should know this.

My job is to make sure everything is perfect for the producer...........

Should have all available data available.

Not good......not good.

This is so bad.....

#435
Thorn Harvestar

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Oh man.......

You don't understand..........

I shouldn't be making those kinds of mistakes......

I've been doing this for several years now.........

Damn.


I don't think it's a big mistake when your original method would have essentially accomplished the same results.


Yeah but........I should know this.

My job is to make sure everything is perfect for the producer...........

Should have all available data available.

Not good......not good.

This is so bad.....


Better then to learn from a mistake on a video game forum than from a mistake in your real work. :]

#436
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Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Oh man.......

You don't understand..........

I shouldn't be making those kinds of mistakes......

I've been doing this for several years now.........

Damn.


I don't think it's a big mistake when your original method would have essentially accomplished the same results.


Yeah but........I should know this.

My job is to make sure everything is perfect for the producer...........

Should have all available data available.

Not good......not good.

This is so bad.....


Better then to learn from a mistake on a video game forum than from a mistake in your real work. :]


I guess.........but the ramifications.........

The ramifications............

I wholly admit to the mistake.

A bad one.

Jesus.

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So does anyone know who the voice actor is for Star Child is? (and not the meer or hale part)

Cant find it anywhere.

Modifié par XXIceColdXX, 07 mai 2012 - 04:40 .


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Creid-X wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
It is dictating terms, telling you what to do and when to do it.

That's one way to see it, the other is simply accepting it is explaining the functions of the Crucible to you.  


It certainly feels more like a surrender than a fancy user's manual explaining how to use your newly acquired tool.  

The three options are also terrible.  If it's true and the Reeapers are just the tool of the catalyst then they are no longer the antagonist, it's the Catalyst.  It's OT here, but there are threads that discuss this error in the story. 

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XXIceColdXX wrote...

So does anyone know who the voice actor is for Star Child is? (and not the meer or hale part)

Cant find it anywhere.   


If they are going to keep Star-brat they need to record more to fix it.  

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DazenCobalt17 wrote...

*insert cautious optimism here*



#441
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People need to understand that clarification to a non sensical ending can actually go a long way. Though, im just afraid bioware will botch sai clarification with ****** poor explanations.

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Taboo are you trying to make a point? lol. If only Bioware could admit to their mistakes like you did. Kudos to you.

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Well, it is strangely comforting to know that game that needed no explanation/closure (as per Mr.Gamble's own words at PAX ) now needs a LOT of work. We knew it all along.
I think that the BIG CHOICE at the end is a very good idea - the problem is that is was done so... badly. IF they delivered on pre-release promises and made the 3-game journey count at the end and not make Shepard as a incoherent puppet at the end it could have been an amazing finish.
As it is, it reminds me of 2 anime series (Evangelion or With hunter Robin) which also did not give closure on main characters.

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The only thing we need to look for VA is this:

http://twitter.com/#!/y_strahovski

Aka Miranda Lawson.

If she will return as VA for ME3 Extended Cut this means we will actually get an epilogue with our love interest (for those who romanced Miranda in ME2, and no one in ME3)

If she wont be called as VA, means:

a) More cutscenes about ending and wont be cutscene with Shepard
B) Some 'what happened' talks after Normandy crash.

In any case, no Ms. Strahovski no actually good and fine epilogue.

#445
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Have to say she absolutely nailed her performance for Miranda. Only thing sad is that she only says I love you if she dies. Would love for someone to correct me on that though.

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My only hope is they are hiding behind the word 'clarify' instead of saying 'replace completely'. Any clarification is going to fail for two reasons.

1. If you have to clarify it- it doesn't work. For example: 'My God, it's full of stars' was never clarified, but used to head off into the next books. BOOKS!

2. This one is personal- I loathe the addiction to 'The Hero's Journey' that so many writers subscribe too without actually trying to reshape it for both their own personal growth and the knee-jerk reaction that I assume they have with the idea that if they use it their work will become an insta-classic. Jim Butcher illustrates my point against this nicely. His Dresden character is following the Hero's Journey but Butcher is using it as an outline, not a inviolate path.

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VA artists back for more?
This is sounding better and better each time I say it =-]

I'm still cautious with the DLC, but I'm happier Bioware are doing some more VA.
Either they are listening to us as they promised, or they read minds like nobody's buisness :D

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Wow. I knew they were recording VO but was thinking it was for other DLC. The EC gonna be is gonna be really E! WOOT MOAR

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I am praying that above all else, Bioware will finnaly just except facts and get rid of the random star child god thing. That....thing is what caused the most damage to the series. If that thing remains, I will draw the line and never return to Mass Effect ever again...which is depressing because Mass Effect is my fave series but I don't want to see it mutilated this badly.

Still this does look good, more closure is good but still doesn't fix all the problems this ending has. But Harbinger needs to say and do something. He is the closest thing to a main antagonist after all.

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behellmorph wrote...

I am praying that above all else, Bioware will finnaly just except facts and get rid of the random star child god thing. That....thing is what caused the most damage to the series. If that thing remains, I will draw the line and never return to Mass Effect ever again...which is depressing because Mass Effect is my fave series but I don't want to see it mutilated this badly.

Still this does look good, more closure is good but still doesn't fix all the problems this ending has. But Harbinger needs to say and do something. He is the closest thing to a main antagonist after all.


They won't get rid of Star Brat. They are proud of it, even if people thinks that Brat ****ed up everything. But for Bioware he is essential to the story.

As I said before, I will expect the worse for EC. The damage is already done.