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[megawug]

I've noticed that sometimes even an infiltrator while invisible is not safe. In gold, I think the rest of the team needs to help draw the enemies away - far away, while that is not necessary for bronze/silver.

[Domnuxx]

NewStrings wrote...

The Runeseeker wrote...

So, for the infiltrators saying that they don't like it when others leave for the objectives, how long should we give you before we can tell whether you're going to do them or not? If I don't see you immediately move for it, then I'm going to go because it needs to get done or enemies won't stop spawning.

Dude. I have never, ever, ever waited. I run the SECOND I see the marker. I'd say three or four times out of five I am literally racing some Krogan there, getting jostled and shoved out of the way by the Krogan or Asari who clearly knows I'm running for it. Who also clearly know that I'm an infiltrator because I've been cloaking in front of them for five waves now. If the infiltrator isn't going, then go, but the majority of the time someone will literally push me out of the way to get to the objective.

Well, the 700xp points they get for one marker is worth risking the entire team.

[cronshaw]

Stardusk wrote...

There are a number of infiltrators I have encountered who just shoot things (presumably to get a high score) and when it comes to crunch time on disable device objectives where enemies are swarming the objective point they do nothing, meanwhile the rest of us are dying trying to complete the objective.

It really should be a no brainer that if there are many enemies near an objective only an Infiltrator can do it but they don't get that. Have you experienced this as well?

It isn't just infiltrators there is a general lack of understanding about the best way to do this objective. Common knowledge is that you go with the person and cover them while they do the hack. Hey isn't my guy saying "cover me" when he starts disabling? This is completly wrong. One person, preferably an ifiltrator, shoud go to the devices while the rest of the team draws fire. Obviously circumstances sometimes call for a change in plans, but this is the best way to do that objective.

Modifié par modok8, 06 mai 2012 - 02:20 .

[PSUHammer]

Stardusk wrote...

There are a number of infiltrators I have encountered who just shoot things (presumably to get a high score) and when it comes to crunch time on disable device objectives where enemies are swarming the objective point they do nothing, meanwhile the rest of us are dying trying to complete the objective.

It really should be a no brainer that if there are many enemies near an objective only an Infiltrator can do it but they don't get that. Have you experienced this as well?

What about those of us that actually run to the objectives quickly, while cloaked, only to find a vanguard or adept already there when they should be out causing a distraction?

That is one of my pet peeves if I am the only infiltrator in a match...I will handle the objectives, thanks!

modok8 wrote...

It isn't just infiltrators there is a general lack of understanding about the best way to do this objective. Common knowledge is that you go with the person and cover them while they do the hack. Hey isn't my guy saying "cover me" when he starts disabling? This is completly wrong. One person, preferably an ifiltrator, shoud go to the devices while the rest of the team draws fire. Obviously circumstances sometimes call for a change in plans, but this is the best way to do this objective.

 

The worst is when someone stands on top of you while you are cloaked at the objective.  Way to put a bullseye on my back while I am vulnerable, buddy!

Modifié par Hammer6767, 06 mai 2012 - 01:57 .

[N Malboeuf]

Stardusk wrote...

There are a number of infiltrators I have encountered who just shoot things (presumably to get a high score) and when it comes to crunch time on disable device objectives where enemies are swarming the objective point they do nothing, meanwhile the rest of us are dying trying to complete the objective.

It really should be a no brainer that if there are many enemies near an objective only an Infiltrator can do it but they don't get that. Have you experienced this as well?

WTF would you do if you never had one?
whiner

[Stardusk]

N Malboeuf wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

There are a number of infiltrators I have encountered who just shoot things (presumably to get a high score) and when it comes to crunch time on disable device objectives where enemies are swarming the objective point they do nothing, meanwhile the rest of us are dying trying to complete the objective.

It really should be a no brainer that if there are many enemies near an objective only an Infiltrator can do it but they don't get that. Have you experienced this as well?

WTF would you do if you never had one?
whiner

Just fine. I play lots of no Infiltrator matchs. We do well.

[Rodia Driftwood]

As an Infiltrator, I have found myself in the situation that instead of wasting 10 seconds leaving my ****** poor team to fend for themselves while they "protect" me, I prefer to hold the line for them while they do the objective.

[kinglewy00]

 The problem isn't infiltrators. The problem is that nearly all games have a lot of **** players.

[bondiboy]

2 infiltrators and 2 adepts against Cerebus on Gold can make a great team as long as they co-operate The infiltrators can easily take care of objectives without help from the adepts and so leave the adepts to kill from strategic position. . The Infiltrators can then take advantage of the adepts stasis to headshot phantoms and nemesis. Everyone running aroiund doing their own thing usually = epic fail.

[darkblade]

Infiltrators dont have to do the objectives. We can out DPS nearly any other class and hold entire sections of the map alone.

We are extremely versatile trying to shoe horn us into roles and falsely constructing what we "should do" doesnt help anyone. The only thing an infiltrator should do is everything we could do to win.

[Elite3141]

On the flip side, there's non-Infiltrators that will run straight to the capture point and draw all the enemies there instead of letting the Infiltrator cloak and capture it. I'd say that's just as annoying as an Infiltrator not capturing.

[Stardusk]

darkblade wrote...

Infiltrators dont have to do the objectives. We can out DPS nearly any other class and hold entire sections of the map alone.

We are extremely versatile trying to shoe horn us into roles and falsely constructing what we "should do" doesnt help anyone. The only thing an infiltrator should do is everything we could do to win.

Nice of you to admit Infiltrators are OP.

[NewStrings]

darkblade wrote...

Infiltrators dont have to do the objectives. We can out DPS nearly any other class and hold entire sections of the map alone.

We are extremely versatile trying to shoe horn us into roles and falsely constructing what we "should do" doesnt help anyone. The only thing an infiltrator should do is everything we could do to win.

As an infiltrator... we MAY be able to kill as well as everybody else, sure. I could hold my own against any class when it comes to killing, if I really put my mind to it. But NOBODY tackles node objectives better than us, and that is why we are RIGHTLY shoe-horned into that role. Because we should be in it.

[darkblade]

Air Quotes wrote...

darkblade wrote...

Infiltrators dont have to do the objectives. We can out DPS nearly any other class and hold entire sections of the map alone.

We are extremely versatile trying to shoe horn us into roles and falsely constructing what we "should do" doesnt help anyone. The only thing an infiltrator should do is everything we could do to win.

And to win an Infiltrator should disable all the devices, because he can do in easier, faster and safer. And that's one of the keys to winning. 

A good infiltrator understands his role, and that is to cap objectives and revive teammates. DPS is second. 

Bull. Rezzing is secondary, most infiltrator Rez pony scenario's occur when someone over extends into enemy territory something they had no buisness doing in the first place. every other time you tend to die next to another player that can pick up up on the spot.

More bull. Disabling objectives is taken on a case by case basis, depending on where the infiltrator, teammates, devices, and mobs are.

And even more bull. Infiltrator is easily perhaps the highest DPS class in the game. To say thier job isnt DPS is just ignorant..there's no other word for it. You are taking are trying to take away the infiltrators versitility by shoe horning what should be done, when again the infiltration should be doing whatever he could do to win. 

Rezzing, phenomanal DPS, Objective disabiling, map control, we can do it all. How its prioritized is up to the player and the situation.

[audicdm]

If I'm playing as an Infiltrator, don't try and tell me that it's "My Job" to get objectives. However, I realize that, at times, I may be the best suited to do it and am more than willing to support my team however I can.

I find that I am actually better at cutting down offensive lines or drawing enemy fire while they get the objective. I use a scoped Talon and am always in the action.

EDIT:  Really, people need to play smarter and not just charge objectives that are on top of enemy spawns

Modifié par audicdm, 06 mai 2012 - 03:56 .

[kinglewy00]

Stardusk wrote...

darkblade wrote...

Infiltrators dont have to do the objectives. We can out DPS nearly any other class and hold entire sections of the map alone.

We are extremely versatile trying to shoe horn us into roles and falsely constructing what we "should do" doesnt help anyone. The only thing an infiltrator should do is everything we could do to win.

Nice of you to admit Infiltrators are OP.

What class did you say you played again?
Now you're just sounding like a butt hurt scrub.

Modifié par kinglewy00, 06 mai 2012 - 03:55 .

[Wesus]

Imho if an adept joins me when i run off with the objectives I just go killhogmode as I dont want a wipe if one lunatic follows me all around.

[darkblade]

Stardusk wrote...

darkblade wrote...

Infiltrators dont have to do the objectives. We can out DPS nearly any other class and hold entire sections of the map alone.

We are extremely versatile trying to shoe horn us into roles and falsely constructing what we "should do" doesnt help anyone. The only thing an infiltrator should do is everything we could do to win.

Nice of you to admit Infiltrators are OP.

I never said we werent, Tac Cloak is perhaps the most broken skill in the game and the only thing that truly deserves nerfing. But to nerf that power would break the class.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Stardusk wrote...

There are a number of infiltrators I have encountered who just shoot things (presumably to get a high score) and when it comes to crunch time on disable device objectives where enemies are swarming the objective point they do nothing, meanwhile the rest of us are dying trying to complete the objective.

It really should be a no brainer that if there are many enemies near an objective only an Infiltrator can do it but they don't get that. Have you experienced this as well?

That is exactly why I won't even get into a game where at least 3 out of 4 have microphones.  This is a team tactical based game and communication is paramount.   I'd rather spend more time in the lobby screening players than wasting time in game.

[stribies]

I've seen an infiltrator with an avenger. I've seen another infiltrator with a predator.

Some people are stupid. This will never change. It just happens to be more apparent with coop games.

[Viquey]

Heh. I'm a claymore GI myself. But I do objectives if I can. I'm just very careful about it, because I'm squishy so can't even take a few stray bullets from something firing in my general direction. So it might look like I'm shooting stuff instead of doing the objective, but I'm likely just clearing the area (often a spawn right on top of the objective that will deactivate now that I'm there/the objective's there). I'd prefer to take a few moments to do that than for my entire team to draw the REST of the spawns down there, too, just so they can help clear the objective or worse, try to do it themselves.

The biggest delay for me, though, comes from hunter mode. I have to stop and stare--preferably at a dark, blank wall or the ground--for good few seconds to unfocus my eyes a bit and pick out the pale blue marker/arrow against the only-slightly-lighter lattice-like overlays and general very bright, saturated screen of HM. (And then it can be so annoying to figure out where that marker actually is, since there's no indicator for how far from it you are. Like if I'm in the basement on Glacier and the objective's in that little side/control room in the middle upstairs, I might take the long way around (up the back stairs) because I think it's in the main room by the window. D: )

But people who don't bother at all are annoying, yes.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

Always happens in public matches lol

[Seneva]

I'm going on a limb here but there is absolutly no "rule" that an infiltrator HAS to do the 4 point deactivation nodes.