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[kinglewy00]

darkblade wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

darkblade wrote...

Infiltrators dont have to do the objectives. We can out DPS nearly any other class and hold entire sections of the map alone.

We are extremely versatile trying to shoe horn us into roles and falsely constructing what we "should do" doesnt help anyone. The only thing an infiltrator should do is everything we could do to win.

Nice of you to admit Infiltrators are OP.

I never said we werent, Tac Cloak is perhaps the most broken skill in the game and the only thing that truly deserves nerfing. But to nerf that power would break the class.

If by broken you mean prone to failing.

[Lokiwithrope]

Good thing I'm not one of those people. I shoot when my teammates have the objectives; I complete objectives when they're closer to me than anyone else. Tactical Cloak does wonders.

[darkblade]

Seneva wrote...

I'm going on a limb here but there is absolutly no "rule" that an infiltrator HAS to do the 4 point deactivation nodes.

of course, but chances are that at least 1 will spawn near you close enough to do.

[darkblade]

kinglewy00 wrote...

darkblade wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

darkblade wrote...

Infiltrators dont have to do the objectives. We can out DPS nearly any other class and hold entire sections of the map alone.

We are extremely versatile trying to shoe horn us into roles and falsely constructing what we "should do" doesnt help anyone. The only thing an infiltrator should do is everything we could do to win.

Nice of you to admit Infiltrators are OP.

I never said we werent, Tac Cloak is perhaps the most broken skill in the game and the only thing that truly deserves nerfing. But to nerf that power would break the class.

If by broken you mean prone to failing.

Hey its better then biotic sphere. That skill refuses to function when enemies are within like 2 meters of you.

[Seneva]

darkblade wrote...

Seneva wrote...

I'm going on a limb here but there is absolutly no "rule" that an infiltrator HAS to do the 4 point deactivation nodes.

of course, but chances are that at least 1 will spawn near you close enough to do.

And if you're not an infiltrator and it spawns near YOU? Would you just ignore ir or wait till the infiltrator caps it? Maybe you would but I can guarantee you lots of people do not.

When I play my infiltrator and I see a node spawn next to the group, I ignore it. If they don't cap it, I ignore it aswell. There is absolutly NO reason why you should expect a infiltrator to leave his perch and cap it for you. (you as in general public, not you personally)

[InfamousResult]

Behold- the result of Tactical Cloak being overpowered as Hell, and every Infiltrator just dragging a big gun with them, because their Cooldown doesn't matter when they ignore objectives / teammates.

Seriously, no, there isn't a rule saying that Infiltrators HAVE to go for objectives. Just like there isn't a rule that Salarian Engineers HAVE to throw their Decoys up to draw fire away from you, or that Vanguards HAVE to stay with the team and not charge onto the opposite side of the map. You don't HAVE to do anything- nothing is required of you. But would it be SMART and helpful to the team?

How about using that Tactical Cloak.. Tactically..?

[kinglewy00]

InfamousResult wrote...

Behold- the result of Tactical Cloak being overpowered as Hell, and every Infiltrator just dragging a big gun with them, because their Cooldown doesn't matter when they ignore objectives / teammates.

Seriously, no, there isn't a rule saying that Infiltrators HAVE to go for objectives. Just like there isn't a rule that Salarian Engineers HAVE to throw their Decoys up to draw fire away from you, or that Vanguards HAVE to stay with the team and not charge onto the opposite side of the map. You don't HAVE to do anything- nothing is required of you. But would it be SMART and helpful to the team?

How about using that Tactical Cloak.. Tactically..?

Then maybe people should bother to back the infiltrator up; tactically.
Sick of seeing some scrubs either stand on top of me and get me killed, or ignoring me altogether and letting mods come right to me because the objective is directly near their spawn point.
The people who usually whinge about infiltrators not doing their jobs and expect them to do everythign themselves as well as clean up everyone's mess and revive everybody, are usually also the same people who get them killed due to negligence or stupidity during said rounds.

Modifié par kinglewy00, 06 mai 2012 - 04:40 .

[eldrjth]

this is why I dont like to be the only infil in a group. got to disarm the fking things but dont get a rez from you guys but have to run through gun fire with severely crappy cloak now in order to rez you so you can melee someguy and die again while not even killing that many enemies?

[InfamousResult]

kinglewy00 wrote...

Then maybe people should bother to back the infiltrator up; tactically.
Sick of seeing some scrubs either stand on top of me and get me killed, or ignoring me altogether and letting mods come right to me because the objective is directly near their spawn point.
The people who usually whinge about infiltrators not doing their jobs and expect them to do everythign themselves as well as clean up everyone's mess and revive everybody, are usually also the same people who get them killed due to negligence or stupidity during said rounds.

No, the people who complain about Infiltrators not doing their "jobs" are the ones who play with Infiltrators who don't do their jobs. I'm sorry, but if you're an Infiltrator, and you're just spamming Cloak>Sniper during Objective waves and not even making an attempt on the Objective- so somebody else has to go over there, and they end up getting downed- then you refuse to move and try to Revive them, I say that's being a bad player. You would be just as bad as the Vanguard who ran off by himself and got killed, and it would get you kicked from my room.

I can't force you to play how I think an Infiltrator should play.

But if you're going to play like that, don't expect everybody to be happy about it and not kick you.

[perera74]

As an infiltrator who WILL hack the laptops, can the rest of you bugger off when I get to them, you draw fire and grenades to my position while I'm trying to help you all.

[LoboFH]

darkblade wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

A good infiltrator understands his role, and that is to cap objectives and revive teammates. DPS is second. 

Bull. Rezzing is secondary, most infiltrator Rez pony scenario's occur when someone over extends into enemy territory something they had no buisness doing in the first place. every other time you tend to die next to another player that can pick up up on the spot.

More bull. Disabling objectives is taken on a case by case basis, depending on where the infiltrator, teammates, devices, and mobs are.

And even more bull. Infiltrator is easily perhaps the highest DPS class in the game. To say thier job isnt DPS is just ignorant..there's no other word for it. You are taking are trying to take away the infiltrators versitility by shoe horning what should be done, when again the infiltration should be doing whatever he could do to win. 

Rezzing, phenomanal DPS, Objective disabiling, map control, we can do it all. How its prioritized is up to the player and the situation.

Yeah, the problem is your list of priorities is a total disaster if you say objectives and rezzing is not the priority of a GOOD infiltrator.

My favourite classes are Infiltrator, Engineer and Adept, so I am not talking from the other side of the fence. Your DPS fetiche and kills stats are the bull.

[kinglewy00]

InfamousResult wrote...

kinglewy00 wrote...

Then maybe people should bother to back the infiltrator up; tactically.
Sick of seeing some scrubs either stand on top of me and get me killed, or ignoring me altogether and letting mods come right to me because the objective is directly near their spawn point.
The people who usually whinge about infiltrators not doing their jobs and expect them to do everythign themselves as well as clean up everyone's mess and revive everybody, are usually also the same people who get them killed due to negligence or stupidity during said rounds.

No, the people who complain about Infiltrators not doing their "jobs" are the ones who play with Infiltrators who don't do their jobs. I'm sorry, but if you're an Infiltrator, and you're just spamming Cloak>Sniper during Objective waves and not even making an attempt on the Objective- so somebody else has to go over there, and they end up getting downed- then you refuse to move and try to Revive them, I say that's being a bad player. You would be just as bad as the Vanguard who ran off by himself and got killed, and it would get you kicked from my room.

I can't force you to play how I think an Infiltrator should play.

But if you're going to play like that, don't expect everybody to be happy about it and not kick you.

If I have some engineer racing me to the objectives, then dropping a decoy on my head because I got their first (which happened literally just 5 minutes ago, may I add.) then I'm sure as hell not going to bother capping the objectives or reviving these **** tards, no.

[InfamousResult]

kinglewy00 wrote...

If I have some engineer racing me to the objectives, then dropping a decoy on my head because I got their first (which happened literally just 5 minutes ago, may I add.) then I'm sure as hell not going to bother capping the objectives or reviving these **** tards, no.

Are you assuming the people complaining in this thread do dumb stuff like that? Is that your brand-new assumption?

[kinglewy00]

InfamousResult wrote...

kinglewy00 wrote...

If I have some engineer racing me to the objectives, then dropping a decoy on my head because I got their first (which happened literally just 5 minutes ago, may I add.) then I'm sure as hell not going to bother capping the objectives or reviving these **** tards, no.

Are you assuming the people complaining in this thread do dumb stuff like that? Is that your brand-new assumption?

I'm assuming it's likely, since about 80% of players do it. 
And seeing as the op sounds like a ****** after coming out with something like "Infiltrators are op!" like it's relavent. 
Either way, my point is, the OP's argument goes both ways.

Modifié par kinglewy00, 06 mai 2012 - 05:09 .

[InfamousResult]

kinglewy00 wrote...

I'm assuming it's likely, since about 80% of players do it. 
And seeing as the op sounds like a ****** after coming out with something like "Infiltrators are op!" like it's relavent. 
Either way, my point is, the OP's argument goes both ways.

80% of players are "bad".

But it's silly to go into someone's thread, who's complaining about a certain TYPE of bad player, and accuse them of doing something stupid. "Oh, you don't like a bad player, do you? IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU DID SOMETHING DUMB LIKE THIS" is just baseless slander.

[kinglewy00]

InfamousResult wrote...

But it's silly to go into someone's thread, who's complaining about a certain TYPE of bad player, and accuse them of doing something stupid.

Not really. OP wanted to make a point most the infiltrators she plays with being bad, I wanted to make a point that nearly everyone in the group I'm stuck with most of the time, inparticularly on weekends, is bad. It's perfectly relavent to the topic of the thread, don't see the problem.
Infiltrators have to put up with s***heads making the objective run a nightmare for them just as much as, if not more often than infiltrators making the objective runs a nightmare for the rest of the group.

Modifié par kinglewy00, 06 mai 2012 - 05:24 .

[InfamousResult]

kinglewy00 wrote...

Not really.

Yes really.

Baseless accusation. You don't know that anybody complaining is guilty of any of that.

[RainyDayLover]

On the contrary, I always see people trying to play the hero when doing those objectives when there's an able and ready infiltrator on the team.

[Shock n Awe]

marshalleck wrote...

You infiltrators whining about people doing objectives need to pick up the pace. If we're ten seconds into the wave and you're not moving, I'm going to assume you're not paying attention or don't care, and start moving on them myself so we can get them done and get some bonus credits. Despite what BSN thinks, infiltrators are not the only class that can complete objectives.

So either say something on the mic, or move your ass.

I'm not talking about 10 seconds into the wave, that's understandable.  I'm saying that in most games I'm in, immediately some idiot without cloak will make a sprint for the objectives.  Once that happens, I don't even bother unless the next one is near me because I know it'll be all kinds of frustrating with them drawing aggro to me.

[kinglewy00]

No, but I can hazard a guess and still probably be right.
An infiltrator in most situations is ideal for the objectives.
But if you're having a problem getting them done without one going for them, then.. you're probably pretty bad.

[JAMiAM]

Stardusk wrote...

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

 If you need an infiltrator to do the objectives for you then does that mean you're any good yourself? :innocent:

LOL. I am good, but being good has no bearing on for example, Fire Base Glacier, middle of the room 2 Atlases, 2 phantoms, hordes of troopers. What can the skillful Turian Soldier do to complete the objective there? What can Kroguard do? Nothing. You are missing the point. There are objectives that are literally impossible to do because enemies all spawn there.

Gee...that sounds like a prime opportunity to break out a cobra, destroy them all, and then move onto the objective while they're respawning somewhere else.  Not saying that your infiltrator wasn't contributing as he/she should have been, but your lack of taking decisive action and putting all the blame on the other guy is disingenious. 

[TheCinC]

Just want to add that there is no rule that Infiltrators have to do anything. As long as you work together as a team, it doesn't matter much. I've played games where I was blocked from reaching an objective, having to help out a hard-pressed teammate or whatever, while someone else made it there so it didn't matter. Also, when not playing infiltrator, I rush for objectives all the same and never get it that others don't especially on hacking assignments. Sometimes someone is outside of the hacking area, getting killed repeatedly, needing to be revived, again, repeatedly. How does that help? Isn't working together a much better strategy?

Also, I had a Silver game yesterday that illustrated that it's not that easy. I went off, cloaked, to find the objective. As it turns out, my three remaining squadmembers then proceeded to get themselves killed. I tried to double back and revive them, as I stood no chance against two Geth Primes and assorted other baddies, still midway the mission, but kept getting shot, sometimes even when cloaked, while my teammates couldn't make it to cover or support each other and kept bleeding out. Yeah, that sucked and we didn't make it past that wave as I ran out of medigels... Sometimes the team just gets caught in a wave of baddies, what takes priority then? Going solo on Bronze may work, but on Silver or Gold?

I really wonder what is better, especially in a Silver or Gold match: move to the objective together as a team, or have the rest of the team stay put and try not to die while an infiltrator tries to do the objectives on his/her own, hoping that the cloak doesn't fail at the most inopportune time.

[Jangocat]

From what I've seen there are a lot of bad/non team players in all classes that are only interested in padding their kill count.

[InfamousResult]

kinglewy00 wrote...

No, but I can hazard a guess and still probably be right.
An infiltrator in most situations is ideal for the objectives.
But if you're having a problem getting them done without one going for them, then.. you're probably pretty bad.

If a player can't do an Objective alone, they're bad?

Okay, I'll buy that.

But if all three players drop, and it's the Infiltrator alone, and he doesn't get the Objective done alone- he's bad, AND he wasn't helping the team. The Infiltrator is the worse player, in this scenario, either way. A team of four bad players- with at least ONE who couldn't even do what everybody knows an Infiltrator should do. Votekick on the Infil.