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[kinglewy00]

InfamousResult wrote...

If a player can't do an Objective alone, they're bad?

Okay, I'll buy that.

But if all three players drop, and it's the Infiltrator alone, and he doesn't get the Objective done alone- he's bad, AND he wasn't helping the team. The Infiltrator is the worse player, in this scenario, either way. A team of four bad players- with at least ONE who couldn't even do what everybody knows an Infiltrator should do. Votekick on the Infil.

Doesn't matter what class they are, if one person is left alive not doing the objective of course they're bad.
The same can be said for the 3 people who died, also.

Modifié par kinglewy00, 06 mai 2012 - 05:53 .

[Traim Eisenblut]

InfamousResult wrote...

If a player can't do an Objective alone, they're bad?

Okay, I'll buy that.

But if all three players drop, and it's the Infiltrator alone, and he doesn't get the Objective done alone- he's bad, AND he wasn't helping the team. The Infiltrator is the worse player, in this scenario, either way. A team of four bad players- with at least ONE who couldn't even do what everybody knows an Infiltrator should do. Votekick on the Infil.

In my experience it is sadly not the case that everybody knows that. In public gold matches it's almost everytime someone else who starts running as soon as the objective-rectangle shows up while I`m there with my infiltrator. Now, I could run aswell. I would even be faster most of the time. But in nearly every scenario on wave 6 or 10 at some point I get killed because even if I activate the objective people still come running towards me to "guard" me. Most random players never put a thought into aggromanagement and how they put me in the crossfire when they try to "assist" me.
And when no one has a mic and is talking, or it's damn late and I don't want to talk anymore myself, I'd rather stay alive than run into my deathtrap by doing the objectives while being accompanied. I can still finish them if the others die and did so a few times.

It's the same with the extraction. Almost every random goldgame I make 1 or 2 guys are running straight to the extractionzone at the beginning of wave 11. How nice of them to share the zone with all the banshees, phantoms and hunters...

If my teammates do what they are supposed to do, I don't hesitate and do my part. If they are fools and run into their doom, I won't get dragged down with them.

[InfamousResult]

kinglewy00 wrote...

Doesn't matter what class they are, if one person is left alive not doing the objective of course they're bad.
The same can be said for the 3 people who died, also.

If a Biotic isn't using their Biotic powers- bad.
If an Engineer isn't drawing aggro by throwing up a drone/decoy/turret- bad.
If an Infiltrator isn't using their cloak to complete objectives- bad.

So yes, the other 3 players were bad for dying. The Infiltrator was doubley bad for dying and not doing what he should have done. Infiltrator's the worst player, in this scenario- my blame goes to him, he gets kicked.

[Nette]

Shock n Awe wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

You infiltrators whining about people doing objectives need to pick up the pace. If we're ten seconds into the wave and you're not moving, I'm going to assume you're not paying attention or don't care, and start moving on them myself so we can get them done and get some bonus credits. Despite what BSN thinks, infiltrators are not the only class that can complete objectives.

So either say something on the mic, or move your ass.

I'm not talking about 10 seconds into the wave, that's understandable.  I'm saying that in most games I'm in, immediately some idiot without cloak will make a sprint for the objectives.  Once that happens, I don't even bother unless the next one is near me because I know it'll be all kinds of frustrating with them drawing aggro to me.

Heh, that happens to often to my brother and I when we play and we're f-ing fed up. At least one of us is always an infiltrator and if we end up with idiots like that we just back of (and go into killmode), let them die and do the objectives after, much less hassle that way. You can't make the stupid play smart but you don't have to revive them either.

[sydsyrious]

I'm all for waiting to see if the infiltrator goes for it. Let's say there are 4 devices and the timer is at x minutes. If I see the infiltrator not moving after 30 seconds or so....I think anyone who is closer to it should go.....but we all need to wait and see if the infiltrator is up to it.

[kinglewy00]

InfamousResult wrote...

If a Biotic isn't using their Biotic powers- bad.
If an Engineer isn't drawing aggro by throwing up a drone/decoy/turret- bad.
If an Infiltrator isn't using their cloak to complete objectives- bad.

So yes, the other 3 players were bad for dying. The Infiltrator was doubley bad for dying and not doing what he should have done. Infiltrator's the worst player, in this scenario- my blame goes to him, he gets kicked.

That goes without saying, but not in every situation is it the infiltrator messing the objective rounds up.
Countless times I've seen objective rounds messed up due to other players chasing me to it and leaving his team mates to get swarmed where they were set up. Or stacking on top of each other, all trying to to cap it at the same time and ignoring mobs around them.
So no, it's just as often not the "Overpowered" infiltrators fault like the OP suggests it always seems to be. It's equally as often the rest of the team messign these rounds up.

[Seifer006]

yes. I've seen this many times. It's understandable if you're on bronze and players who are new to the game who don't have a full understanding on how classes work and such etc...

but on Gold with a high N7 Rating - I would think they would take responsibility on what they need to do in order to contribute to the rest of the team.


- Have you run into "that one player who's off on his own while the rest of the team are working together in order to stay alive......yet that one player constantly is dying since he seems not to understand that he should be around his team"

[darkblade]

And if you're not an infiltrator and it spawns near YOU? Would you just ignore ir or wait till the infiltrator caps it? Maybe you would but I can guarantee you lots of people do not.

When I play my infiltrator and I see a node spawn next to the group, I ignore it. If they don't cap it, I ignore it aswell. There is absolutly NO reason why you should expect a infiltrator to leave his perch and cap it for you. (you as in general public, not you personally)

This is what i do exactly.

How about using that Tactical Cloak.. Tactically..?

So taking out hardened targets and thinning mobs isnt tactical now? sometimes we dont get to the objective first, and sometimes its not optimal for us to take the objective anyway.

Yeah, the problem is your list of priorities is a total disaster if you say objectives and rezzing is not the priority of a GOOD infiltrator.

My favourite classes are Infiltrator, Engineer and Adept, so I am not talking from the other side of the fence. Your DPS fetiche and kills stats are the bull.

Thats not the order of my priorities my priorities are ordered based on whats happening right then because im not a stiff one trick pony.

- DPS is my priority most of the game true, because most of the freaking match is mob killing waves.

- Rezzing is almost always on the bottom of my to do list. and when i say rez i dont mean just rezzing someone who dies, i mean those OMG dead when some fool over extends and his only hope is if the infiltrator runs and saves his ass. Those are on the bottom of my list, if you die where someone cant reasonably get to you without being an infiltrator. YOU ARE IN THE WRONG.

-Objective capping is my priority when its within reason that I cap it.

- I dont care about my score, but i do care about getting kills. I take pride in knowing that my team is getting something done because im clearing mobs off them, because im hitting heavy targets, because im covering them butts.

Let me tell you what a good infiltrator...no what a good player does. A good player prioritizes based on cost benefit analysis. They prioritize on if it is within reason for them to do it, and if anyone else in a better position to do it. Your class is a modifier to that analysis, not the defining variable.

This isnt WoW.

[Taritu]

My far bigger problem is being an infiltrator having non-infiltrators come with me and stand next to me. Yeah... If they do that more than once, I let them do the goddamn objectives.

[darkblade]

InfamousResult wrote...

kinglewy00 wrote...

Doesn't matter what class they are, if one person is left alive not doing the objective of course they're bad.
The same can be said for the 3 people who died, also.

If a Biotic isn't using their Biotic powers- bad.
If an Engineer isn't drawing aggro by throwing up a drone/decoy/turret- bad.
If an Infiltrator isn't using their cloak to complete objectives- bad.

So yes, the other 3 players were bad for dying. The Infiltrator was doubley bad for dying and not doing what he should have done. Infiltrator's the worst player, in this scenario- my blame goes to him, he gets kicked.

So bias...so the Infiltrator is double bad for not capping the objective even though the reason he likely wasnt capping the objective is because the fail team completely lacked the ability to pull enemies away from the area down to a decent amount. 

If this is what you expect from an infiltrator all gladly take the badge of bad player and wear it with just as much pride as a rock my Rainbow Dash T. You can keep your superman infiltrators, i refuse to run though hell and high water for an incompent team.

[darkblade]

Taritu wrote...

My far bigger problem is being an infiltrator having non-infiltrators come with me and stand next to me. Yeah... If they do that more than once, I let them do the goddamn objectives.

This two, almost everyone goes to the objective.....its not always imperative that the infiltrator do it.

[evermandibles]

OP: I am guilty... sometimes I forget that THAT is my job. But I remember... usually after someone else ill-equipped to the task falls. Then i go and freaking pwn those frakkin devices.

But.. on Bronze and Silver ehhh... almost anyone can pull it off.

Modifié par evermandibles, 06 mai 2012 - 07:27 .

[NewStrings]

darkblade wrote...


So bias...so the Infiltrator is double bad for not capping the objective even though the reason he likely wasnt capping the objective is because the fail team completely lacked the ability to pull enemies away from the area down to a decent amount. 

If this is what you expect from an infiltrator all gladly take the badge of bad player and wear it with just as much pride as a rock my Rainbow Dash T. You can keep your superman infiltrators, i refuse to run though hell and high water for an incompent team.

The #1 priority, absolute #1, above killing, above everything, is to complete node objectives. As infiltrators we are the ONLY team members who can do that quickly and efficiently, without even firing a shot or taking a shot. If the objective is not complete, I'd say "doubly bad" is being kind to the infiltrator.

[Sabbatine]

Stardusk wrote...

There are a number of infiltrators I have encountered who just shoot things (presumably to get a high score) and when it comes to crunch time on disable device objectives where enemies are swarming the objective point they do nothing, meanwhile the rest of us are dying trying to complete the objective.

It really should be a no brainer that if there are many enemies near an objective only an Infiltrator can do it but they don't get that. Have you experienced this as well?

What I don't get is why you assume every infiltrator should spend all their time carrying your team for you.  Maybe if you played an infiltrator you'd realize that on gold tactical cloak doesn't offer much protection if you're by yourself capping an objective in the middle of a bunch of enemies.  In fact all it really does is put you lower on their priority list than any of your unstealthed allies in the immediate area.

If you're not playing on gold, then one person is as good as the next for capping objectives.

Is it good practice for the infiltrator to go take objectives?  Sure... but it's not good practice to go commit suicide because your team is too lazy to clear the enemies out of the objective area... or do you expect the infiltrator to use four or five cobra missiles for that as well?

[darkblade]

NewStrings wrote...

darkblade wrote...


So bias...so the Infiltrator is double bad for not capping the objective even though the reason he likely wasnt capping the objective is because the fail team completely lacked the ability to pull enemies away from the area down to a decent amount. 

If this is what you expect from an infiltrator all gladly take the badge of bad player and wear it with just as much pride as a rock my Rainbow Dash T. You can keep your superman infiltrators, i refuse to run though hell and high water for an incompent team.

The #1 priority, absolute #1, above killing, above everything, is to complete node objectives. As infiltrators we are the ONLY team members who can do that quickly and efficiently, without even firing a shot or taking a shot. If the objective is not complete, I'd say "doubly bad" is being kind to the infiltrator.

always, enemies spawn infinitely otherwise. 

But dont expect me to run through hell and high water to:

A: hack a node 2 feet away from another guy
B:Hack a node surrounded by enemies because the team lacked the competence to draw them away.

Infiltrators are not the only teammate who can do it without firing a shot or taking a shot, its all about the team drawing the aggro i can play infiltrator capper with a krogan and never take a hit if the mobs arent swarming the node. 

Priority #1 do what you can from where you are. If the objectives keep spawning next to some other guy i have no reason to leave from where i am especially if the one thinning the mobs is me.

Modifié par darkblade, 06 mai 2012 - 07:53 .

[kinglewy00]

Sabbatine wrote...


Is it good practice for the infiltrator to go take objectives?  Sure... but it's not good practice to go commit suicide because your team is too lazy to clear the enemies out of the objective area... or do you expect the infiltrator to use four or five cobra missiles for that as well?

+1

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

As a strictly gold level player who favors the Infiltrator role and also hosts many PUG's, I personally won't even let my team think about going for those objectives unless they also are an infiltrator OR it is close enough for them to get WITHOUT EXPOSING A WEAKNESS. I happen to be very efficient at this and most times the teams I play with love it because it is LESS STRESS. I also only run with teams that have mics and communicate. Patience in the lobby and a lil game planning goes a long way, and sometimes all it takes to save yourself some heartache is to have a little sidebar about it with your team prior to the match and figure it out then. This is a team game, after all.

[Snake241079]

My main is a Geth Infiltrator and most of the time I get to the objective someone else already has started the hack. I try to get there most of the time but sometimes I'm across the map and by the time I get there someone else is already hacking.

[gigliani60]

Whenever im Infiltrator im usually getting all of these while my team holds a safe point to return to. In fact the scenario you mention happens very little. I find most Infiltrators are happy to go and do the objectives. And i play on xbox, not as freindly as PC players

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

gigliani60 wrote...

Whenever im Infiltrator im usually getting all of these while my team holds a safe point to return to. In fact the scenario you mention happens very little. I find most Infiltrators are happy to go and do the objectives. And i play on xbox, not as freindly as PC players

/defendsXBOX

From my experience the XBOX Live community as it pertains to ME3 has been VERY FRIENDLY and engaging.    

[GGW KillerTiger]

This thread still lives? It should have died long ago. Any class can do objectives at any moment. It doesn't require an infiltrator to do them.

[gigliani60]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

gigliani60 wrote...

Whenever im Infiltrator im usually getting all of these while my team holds a safe point to return to. In fact the scenario you mention happens very little. I find most Infiltrators are happy to go and do the objectives. And i play on xbox, not as freindly as PC players

/defendsXBOX

From my experience the XBOX Live community as it pertains to ME3 has been VERY FRIENDLY and engaging.    

True, but you will ALWAYS get the CoD 10 year olds on xbox and ps3.

[GGW KillerTiger]

NewStrings wrote...

darkblade wrote...


So bias...so the Infiltrator is double bad for not capping the objective even though the reason he likely wasnt capping the objective is because the fail team completely lacked the ability to pull enemies away from the area down to a decent amount. 

If this is what you expect from an infiltrator all gladly take the badge of bad player and wear it with just as much pride as a rock my Rainbow Dash T. You can keep your superman infiltrators, i refuse to run though hell and high water for an incompent team.

The #1 priority, absolute #1, above killing, above everything, is to complete node objectives. As infiltrators we are the ONLY team members who can do that quickly and efficiently, without even firing a shot or taking a shot. If the objective is not complete, I'd say "doubly bad" is being kind to the infiltrator.

My recently promoted Krogan Soldier would like to have a few words with you about infiltrators and your silly little noobness of how they apparently are the only ones that can do objectives. Don't worry darkblade my Krogan will eat all those enemies bullets and hack while you snipe. 

[GGW KillerTiger]

gigliani60 wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

gigliani60 wrote...

Whenever im Infiltrator im usually getting all of these while my team holds a safe point to return to. In fact the scenario you mention happens very little. I find most Infiltrators are happy to go and do the objectives. And i play on xbox, not as freindly as PC players

/defendsXBOX

From my experience the XBOX Live community as it pertains to ME3 has been VERY FRIENDLY and engaging.    

True, but you will ALWAYS get the CoD 10 year olds on xbox and ps3.

they're on PC too so nice try