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[DarkDragon777]

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...



1. HIS people fairly. 

2. Half of Skyrim?

3. I never said Ulfric would lead them, no-ONE would it would be a culmination of all the races. 

1. Yep, and that's basically a good indicator of how he would treat other foreign people if they were willing to help his cause, forcibly or by choice - not very well

2. Yeah, half of Skyrim's jarls, not actual people. Even if he actually did have half of Skyrim's support, he wouldn't have nearly enough manpower.

3. Assuming races would be able to cooperate in a loose alliance, which is a pretty ridiculous notion considering the context of the overall situation.

[Costin_Razvan]

Right.

[OmegaXI]

Empire because I could use them to further my true goal, Ruling the entire Empire and taking down the Thalmor. I mean after the Emperor is killed, who else but the Dragon Born Imperial hero of Skyrim would lead the Empire? The Empire would beg me to take up the "burden" of ruling, that and me having a private army of Mages, Assassins, Theives(spy), and Werewolves(or not depends on the person) at my disposal. Oh and I have the bard college under my belt too so I know I'll have the best press coverage.

The Stormcloaks where useful tools in allowing me to obtain power.

[DarkDragon777]

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...



 Tamriel needs no leader.

Not sure...if serious

[Republic190]

At first the Stormcloaks, but now I'm siding with the Imperials because... the stormcloaks are really racist to everyone but themselves, the stormcloaks will weaken the empire even further and will be doomed, and the economy is going go down since the empire normally trade with them.

[Sigma Tauri]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

monkeycamoran wrote...


Alduin and Akatosh can make a stand to your claim.

Talos being Shor is a lot murkier

1. Don't even try and fool yourself into thinking that Akatosh is Alduin. Seriously.

2. Shor was around long before Tiber Septim was even born. His legend originated in Atmora. They couldn't even possibly be the same person. As well as this, Shor resides in Sovngarde, which is reserved for Nords only. Tiber Septim had more Imperial blood in him than Nordic.


Oh yeah, and Shor is actually a god and Tiber Septim isn't. /trollface
       

1. I wasn't. Really, I wasn't. You also took it out of context since it's the only one that supports your claim.

2. I know who Shor is. I don't think you do.

3. Tiber Septim was not Imperial.

I don't think you know anything. But, I'll just put on my monkey face and ignore you, wrong-headed totem.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 06 mai 2012 - 09:25 .

[DarkDragon777]

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...



1. I never said he was Bigot only that some thought so, he's really not.

2. Jarls control the people to a certian extent, As Skyrim's King he would be able to command them all. 

3. Why? All the races hate the Thalmor. 

1. Yes, he is
2. If the Stormcloaks had their way and made seperately governed kingdoms then Ulfric wouldn't really be able to control much of anything
3. The Khajiit and The Wood Elves don't.

[RedArmyShogun]

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Based on what information are they infiltrated in the Imperial Court or Legions? They have agents in the land, as they would have REGARDLESS of the treaty since the Empire lost the Blades who were the Imperial Agents.

 
 I never said Ulfric would lead them, no-ONE would it would be a culmination of all the races.  

And who would lead the army? No one as you say it, there would be several armies with different leaders versus a single army.

In terms of the military a well structured clear chain of command and a supreme commander so to speak is one of the keys to victory. The Empire has this army as do the Thalmor. The alliance you are talking about wouldn't.

It would work because they would force the Thalmor into one place, Tamriel will have no leader, Tamriel needs no leader.

Just how do you force a superior force into an inferior position where a numerically weaker force can defeat it? There are ways to do that but not many more so for an unrulely mob. How will it fallow up on a chance victory here and strike at the Thalmor homeland? Else you will be fighting this war every 50 years. How do you keep the Thalmor from attacking the other states positions one at a time while only using a holding force to draw the united army down?

Logistics are key. It is easier to fight with and supply one Army, from One Source, rather than 7 armies with varrying gear, mutions and habits.

Tamriel Would need at the least a Military Leader.

The Thalmor will have one. Sure a mob force can win against a guided enemy. But only at high cost. The Nord Way of Battle may be skirishers and one on one honor duels. But you know what else it is?

Stupid.

A Unified Army at least in command is needed to fight another Army. Even Historical Militant movements that overthrew governments took up leadership and command structures. In all of history there never has been a "peoples Army" or a Anarchist Mob that has overtaken a standard military unit, unless via massive size and attack. And even then with loses of 10 to 1.

To suggest a leader is not needed, or that the Thalmor will co-op to your battleplan is the greatest fallace of all. Much like those at the battle of little big horn.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 06 mai 2012 - 09:26 .

[DarkDragon777]

monkeycamoran wrote...



2. I know who Shor is. I don't think you do.

3. Tiber Septim was not Imperial.

2. I know who Shor is, but please explain your version...

3. Actually, you're right. He was a Nord. My mistake.

[RedArmyShogun]

Lol that sounds as smart as Sheps

We Win or we Die plan. I'm done with this lol.

[DarkDragon777]

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...



 Tamriel needs no leader.

Not sure...if serious

It doesn't each Nation could have their own. To rule their own Country thereby stopping Bigottry on an enormous scale and giving in to more chance of cooperation between races because of this. 

And if they aren't smart enough to see this, then they should've burned in the first place.

And having each race rule their own separate kingdoms instead of being unified magically gives more chance for cooperation?

[Morroian]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Can't let those pesky rebels secede when you need the power of all the provinces to prepare for another war with the Thalmor.

If Skyrim falls to the Stormcloaks, High Rock is seperated from Cyrodill and the Thalmor will pick them apart, one by one.

Fight for the Empire, fight for Tamriel!

This, plus the racism issue.

Modifié par Morroian, 06 mai 2012 - 09:34 .

[darthnick427]

Empire every time after my first playthrough which I sided with the stormcloaks. Ulfric is a Thalmor puppet and only a united Empire will ever stand a chance at defeating the Thalmor

[DarkDragon777]

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...



1. You can't prove that, no-one can, it wouldn't matter he'd be ruling over his own people.

2. Control The Jarls, not the Kingdoms.

3. They are so little in number they have to obey, surely you see this.

1. Well then, I doubt a bigot would easily cooperate with foreigners he sees as enemies.

2. Assuming a bunch of glory obsessed Nord jarls are trustworthy.
3. Give me a population count for the Khajiit and Wood Elves please...

And last time I checked the Khajiit chose to obey the Thalmor because the Thalmor claimed to reutrn Nirn's 2 moons to their correct positions.

Modifié par DarkDragon777, 06 mai 2012 - 09:37 .

[Costin_Razvan]

What? LOL.

Yeah certainly the Europeans trusted each other more once the Roman Empire fell, with swords and axes at their throats.