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[Costin_Razvan]

The Imperials have been massing their armies for some time now. They haven't done nothing since they signed that treaty.

If Skyrim falls...well you've just ****ed the Empire big time. Yes the Empire needs Skyrim for the resources it has. but they have TRADE with the Empire, the Empire doesn't take their resources for free.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 06 mai 2012 - 10:13 .

[HoonDing]

How about none? Both factions suck.

Modifié par HoonDing, 06 mai 2012 - 10:12 .

[DarkDragon777]

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...



I'm afraid the Imperials won't b ready, do you honestly think the Thalmor will just sit around?

Will the Thalmor sit around? No.
Would the Imperials sit around? No.
Would the Stormcloaks sit around? Yes.

[RedArmyShogun]

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...


But that's the problem the Empire isn't great anymore, it's broken, I suggest creating a new one rather than fixing the old, with some improvements. I suppose it'll all depend on how you play TES6 or the MMO.

Entire empires don't just generate out of nowhere

Nations = people = trade =army = empire, seems pretty easy to me.

See Wrong again.

People doesn't equal trade. And Trade doesn't awlays mean resources. There are SEVERAL nations with large populations, yet limited trade, limited Armies. the Nords want to be isolationist. That isn't a trading partner. And large man power doesn't mean large Armies. There are numerous factors to look at.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 06 mai 2012 - 10:14 .

[DarkDragon777]

Costin_Razvan wrote...


If Skyrim falls...well you've just ****ed the Empire big time.

For some stupid reason, that's exactly what he wants.

[DarkDragon777]

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...


You can't honestly think Ulfric would do that? People would be just miles away and would travel to kill him if he ever inflict those types of regulations.

That must explain why the rest of the High Elves haven't "killed" the Thalmor yet.

[DarkDragon777]

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...



You don't know that stop reaching beyond your grasp you're convincing no-one.

Actually, mostly everybody here agrees with the Imperials. I'm afraid the only one who isn't convincing anyone here is you.

[RedArmyShogun]

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...


You can't honestly think Ulfric would do that? People would be just miles away and would travel to kill him if he ever inflict those types of regulations.

That must explain why the rest of the High Elves haven't "killed" the Thalmor yet.

Most High Elves are Thalmor there's a massive difference.

Actully wrong, the lore states they are a small faction that rules over the high elves with a racially pure iron fist. Most people like to live, and don't revolt. Even in our world when civil wars happen its a minority versus a minority and the Majority laying on the floor praying the killing stops soon. Just how it is. Most folks are cowards.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 06 mai 2012 - 10:19 .

[DarkDragon777]

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...



Most High Elves are Thalmor there's a massive difference.

The Thalmor is the government of the Aldmeri Dominion. That's not true unless you're claiming that every High Elf directly participates in what their government does. Which is by the way, not true^_^

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

There was chaos, there was a lot of suffering a lot of wars in that time. Oh I do not believe it was as bad as some claim it to be, my point is that it was worse then before the fall. Which it was.

What wars?  And you're trying to tell me that the last centuries of western Roman rule were peaceful for those same countries?  The term "Pax Romana" never applied to the frontiers.

Certainly the so-called Dark Ages was a time of change.  But to consider it negative change, you have to come from a pro-Roman perspective to begin with.

What I see is that the empire is already gone, no matter what you choose to do in the Skyrim civil war. The signs were already pointing to that in previous TES games such as Wulf, an avatar of Tiber Septim himself, saying as much in Morrowind.

Oh? What are these signs then?

To start with, there really is no empire any longer- they have lost most of their provinces.  I mentioned Wulf, an avatar of Talos who tells you in Morrowind that the empire will be no more.  And Oblivion's story is about the end of the Septim dynasty, the end of the Alessian pact with the gods.  Mede adopting the dragon emblem is a sham.

As it goes in regards to any civil war. Rudolf II played his part in causing it however, you believe Cyrodill has no chance, explain to me why I should agree? What are the Thalmor not stretched thin at the moment?

I didn't say Cyrodiil has no chance, but they have put themselves at enormous disadvantage.  History shows that when you stand your ground, the Thalmor lose.  When you play their political games, they win.  They are master manipulators, not so great at waging war campaigns.

Modifié par Addai67, 06 mai 2012 - 10:22 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Tullius himself mentions that he expects the war with the Thalmor to restart soon enough in Cyrodill, this is why there is only one Legion in Skyrim, and undermanned at that, since most of them are in Cyrodill massing for the next war.

Tullius also tells you that the peace treaty is considered mostly a truce to allow the Empire to catch it's breath and you can kill the Emperor, that's what should hopefully spark some changes in the Empire without soo much risk as losing Skyrim carries.

Interesting. I haven't gotten that far on my Imperial playthrough yet.

[DarkDragon777]

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...


Yes but the Thalmor isn't one man.

And you'd have the right to claim that every High Elf was Thalmor if the Thalmor was 5 men instead? Give me a break. You're getting even more desperate than you were before you started this.

Modifié par DarkDragon777, 06 mai 2012 - 10:24 .

[Costin_Razvan]

What wars? And you're trying to tell me that the last centuries of western Roman rule were peaceful for those same countries? The term "Pax Romana" never applied to the frontiers.

Certainly the so-called Dark Ages was a time of change. But to consider it negative change, you have to come from a pro-Roman perspective to begin with

I am talking negative from the perspective of those living inside the Empire and it certainly was a very bad change. The original point was whenever a nation collapses pretty much and a new order is formed it always bad to a certain degree for those living inside said nation.

 
To start with, there really is no empire any longer- they have lost most of their provinces.  I mentioned Wulf, an avatar of Talos who tells you in Morrowind that the empire will be no more.  And Oblivion's story is about the end of the Septim dynasty, the end of the Alessian pact with the gods.  Mede adopting the dragon emblem is a sham. 

They still have High Rock, Orsimer and Skyrim at the begining of the game ( civil war it may be ).

 
I didn't say Cyrodiil has no chance, but they have put themselves at enormous disadvantage.  History shows that when you stand your ground, the Thalmor lose.  When you play their political games, they win.  They are master manipulators, not so great at waging war campaigns. 

History shows that when you stand your ground your country gets completely devasted, as it happened with the Redguard and since they are the masters of manipulation how the hell do you expect to get several nations working together against them? If I was in their shoes I would love nothing more then for the Empire to desintegrate, cause then I would pit those nations against each other.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 06 mai 2012 - 10:28 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

What wars? And you're trying to tell me that the last centuries of western Roman rule were peaceful for those same countries? The term "Pax Romana" never applied to the frontiers.

Certainly the so-called Dark Ages was a time of change. But to consider it negative change, you have to come from a pro-Roman perspective to begin with

I am talking negative from the perspective of those living inside the Empire and it certainly was a very bad change.

 
I didn't say Cyrodiil has no chance, but they have put themselves at enormous disadvantage.  History shows that when you stand your ground, the Thalmor lose.  When you play their political games, they win.  They are master manipulators, not so great at waging war campaigns. 

History shows that when you stand your ground your country gets completely devasted, as it happened with the Redguard and since they are the masters of manipulation how the hell do you expect to get several nations working together against them? If I was in their shoes I would love nothing more then for the Empire to desintegrate, cause then I would pit those nations against each other.

Dont be silly, shorten times of being alive, less food, less trade, crazy barbarians raping your women, Muslims and Vikings plundering at will, and the lose of knowladge and technology to you know even have sanitry living conditions are all wonderfully fine things for everyone!

Fun for whole Family, Well at least was for mine, then again my ancestory is more related to Khan than Ceaser.

[DarkDragon777]

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...


WHAT are you on about, I think you're mistaking this for a compition, when we are having a discussion go back the football pitch.

Nope, I'm just putting my honest opinion out there.

The only thing I mistook this for was a legitimate argument.

Modifié par DarkDragon777, 06 mai 2012 - 10:29 .

[Addai]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

The Stormcloaks want a home for the nords and the nords only. People like these will have great internal problems come into conflict with the others in the Region, and will fight on defensive, or ethical purification ideals only. So while the rest of the world burns, they'll sit back and drink mead. Untill the Thalmor land ships on the coast, and march through every mountain pass. Skyrim is ino position to defend its self. But could launch strike operations given the rest of the Empire being intact provides a meat sheild.

As I said a group of nationalist racist arn't about to come to the aid of anyone.

To come to this conclusion you have to ignore game evidence.  The Stormcloaks are nationalistic, but no more racist than imperial Nords (how many guilds of foreigners do you see in Solitude?).  In a nice turn of irony on the part of the writers, it is the Stormcloak holds which have absorbed the most non-Nord immigrants, as well as Solstheim which was partially given to Vvardenfell survivors in the Decree of Monument.  The fact that Ulfric is still maintaining the Decree of Monument- not conscripting Dunmer into his army, for instance- is the horker in the room that people who say he's a racist never address.  Never mind that he talks about allying with the other provinces and says that "Skyrim will lead all Tamriel" against the Thalmor.  He is not an isolationist.

As to the corruption. True enough but if you listen to Imperial Commanders, while Mead has lost his nerve, and will be about to die, either of old age or your hand, the Imperial high command clearly has it in mind to kick the thalmor down once they reforge the Empire. And I suspect many in the government and general populance would support this. All thrones are built by the legions. And the Legions can always crown new Emperors. Thats part of why at least in my game I run all of these groups and killed the Emperor, and preferablly I would like to purge more of the corrupt to reforge the Empire.

We don't know who will be in command in Cyrodiil after the game, do we?  I expect to se Cyrodiil also descending into civil war.