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[Addai]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...
Dont be silly, shorten times of being alive, less food, less trade, crazy barbarians raping your women, Muslims and Vikings plundering at will, and the lose of knowladge and technology to you know even have sanitry living conditions are all wonderfully fine things for everyone!

Fun for whole Family, Well at least was for mine, then again my ancestory is more related to Khan than Ceaser.

You don't know what you're talking about.

[Flashflame58]

Addai67 wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...
Dont be silly, shorten times of being alive, less food, less trade, crazy barbarians raping your women, Muslims and Vikings plundering at will, and the lose of knowladge and technology to you know even have sanitry living conditions are all wonderfully fine things for everyone!

Fun for whole Family, Well at least was for mine, then again my ancestory is more related to Khan than Ceaser.

You don't know what you're talking about.

BLASPHEMER!

[DarkDragon777]

Addai67 wrote...

You don't know what you're talking about.

I'm afraid the only one who doesn't know what they're talking about here is you.

[RedArmyShogun]

@addai67 I'm so not replying to that as this destorys any credability you have

"Stormcloak holds which have absorbed the most non-Nord immigrants"

I sure as hell don't want to live in your country if "absorbtion" means I sleep out side in a ****ty tent at the harbor unable to come inside, or have to watch out for a few drunks trying to beat me down whenever I want to you know, walk outside. For the Crime of living here.

Lol sure they have "more" they also live like Surfs and Slaves....WOOO EQUALITY!


Edit Typos' typo's everywhere, *tabs back to Runescape as this "debate" has his full focus lulz*

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 06 mai 2012 - 10:37 .

[Aeowyn]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

What wars? And you're trying to tell me that the last centuries of western Roman rule were peaceful for those same countries? The term "Pax Romana" never applied to the frontiers.

Certainly the so-called Dark Ages was a time of change. But to consider it negative change, you have to come from a pro-Roman perspective to begin with

I am talking negative from the perspective of those living inside the Empire and it certainly was a very bad change. The original point was whenever a nation collapses pretty much and a new order is formed it always bad to a certain degree for those living inside said nation.

 
To start with, there really is no empire any longer- they have lost most of their provinces.  I mentioned Wulf, an avatar of Talos who tells you in Morrowind that the empire will be no more.  And Oblivion's story is about the end of the Septim dynasty, the end of the Alessian pact with the gods.  Mede adopting the dragon emblem is a sham. 

They still have High Rock, Orsimer and Skyrim at the begining of the game ( civil war it may be ).

 
I didn't say Cyrodiil has no chance, but they have put themselves at enormous disadvantage.  History shows that when you stand your ground, the Thalmor lose.  When you play their political games, they win.  They are master manipulators, not so great at waging war campaigns. 

History shows that when you stand your ground your country gets completely devasted, as it happened with the Redguard and since they are the masters of manipulation how the hell do you expect to get several nations working together against them? If I was in their shoes I would love nothing more then for the Empire to desintegrate, cause then I would pit those nations against each other.

Seriously Costin, Hammerfell wasn't completely devastated. Only the south suffered the Thalmor and they pushed back. Heck the Redguards call that a victory.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

If the Empire wins and crushes the Stormcloaks, what is going to trigger any sort of action against the Thalmor? No, they'd continue being used as a tool by them.

Tullius himself mentions that he expects the war with the Thalmor to restart soon enough in Cyrodill, this is why there is only one Legion in Skyrim, and undermanned at that, since most of them are in Cyrodill massing for the next war.

Tullius also tells you that the peace treaty is considered mostly a truce to allow the Empire to catch it's breath and you can kill the Emperor, that's what should hopefully spark some changes in the Empire without soo much risk as losing Skyrim carries.

Massing under the eyes of Thalmor justiciars?  How do you figure that's going to work out?

Tullius may think war will soon break out with the Thalmor, but we can't know how much he really knows about what is going on in the Elder Council and with the emperor.  It's all a crapshoot.  From what we see of the empire's actual actions in the game, they are cooperating more and more with the Thalmor, not poised to fight them.

[Costin_Razvan]

Seriously Costin, Hammerfell wasn't completely devastated. Only the south suffered the Thalmor and they pushed back. Heck the Redguards call that a victory.

Only half the country, that part that the Thalmor at one point completely conquered? Yeah that's not big deal.

Did the Redguards destroy the Elven armies? Did they conquer elven lands? No, they just pushed them back out of their country. That's what I call a phyrric victory. A victory nontheless, but a shallow one.

Addai: I'd argue what Tullius says, who actually hates the Thalmor himself, is very much relevant especially since he is one the Emperor's best generals and how exactly is the Empire cooperating more with the Thalmor?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 06 mai 2012 - 10:38 .

[DarkDragon777]

Aeowyn wrote...



Seriously Costin, Hammerfell wasn't completely devastated. Only the south suffered the Thalmor and they pushed back. Heck the Redguards call that a victory.

Until the Thalmor take over Cyrodiil if you sided with the Stormcloaks. And at that point all that Hammerfell and Skyrim will become are refuges for all humans who want their asses hauled by the Thalmor.

[RedArmyShogun]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Seriously Costin, Hammerfell wasn't completely devastated. Only the south suffered the Thalmor and they pushed back. Heck the Redguards call that a victory.

Only half the country, that part that the Thalmor at one point completely conquered? Yeah that's not big deal.

Did the Redguards destroy the Elven armies? Did they conquer elven lands? No. That's what I call a phyrric victory.

Addai: I'd argue what Tullius says, who actually hates the Thalmor himself, is very much relevant especially since he is one the Emperor's best generals and how exactly is the Empire cooperating more with the Thalmor?

And Generals have a Funny habit of becoming Emperors if Governments don't move to popular positions.

[Aeowyn]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Seriously Costin, Hammerfell wasn't completely devastated. Only the south suffered the Thalmor and they pushed back. Heck the Redguards call that a victory.

Only half the country, that part that the Thalmor at one point completely conquered? Yeah that's not big deal.

Did the Redguards destroy the Elven armies? Did they conquer elven lands? No. That's what I call a phyrric victory.

Addai: I'd argue what Tullius says, who actually hates the Thalmor himself, is very much relevant especially since he is one the Emperor's best generals.

They were invaded during the Great War, which, oh let's say a few other lands were as well. Once Titus Mede signed the treaty that ceded a portion of the south of Hammerfell to the Thalmor the Redguards left the Empire and continued to fight the Thalmor eventually pushing them back.

A victory doesn't have to mean conquering land, and since the Thalmor have now withdrawn from Hammerfell completely, I'd assume they destroyed some Thalmor armies.

[Addai]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

@addai67 I'm so not replying to that as this destorys any credability you have

You're just talking junk.  Lifespan did not decrease in the Dark Ages; agricultural advances were made that surpassed the Romans.  Trade did not disappear; trade was flourishing during this period.  The ravages of Vikings and Muslims were exaggerated by the monks who left most of the chronicles of this time.  Certainly from their perspective, the world was going to hell.  That's because they were representatives of Roman Christianity.  If you see Christianity declining and Romanism declining, and you're a Romanist Christian figure describing your times and wanting to call people to action, then of course the apocalypse is upon you.  It doesn't follow that it actually is.  In the Renaissance and into the 19th century, all we had of this time period were texts written by these men, so that was the picture that was put forth of the "Dark Ages."  Now we have archaeological evidence and we know the limitations of their accounts.

Enough said on all that, but since the subject does always come up as supposedly supporting the Mede empire, it's worth putting it to bed.

I sure as hell don't want to live in your country if "absorbtion" means I sleep out side in a ****ty tent at the harbor unable to come inside, or have to watch out for a few drunks trying to beat me town whenever I want to you know, walk outside. For the Crime of living here.

Lol sure they have "more" they also live like Surfs and Slaves....WOOO EQUALITY!

So why aren't the Argonians and Dunmer moving to Solitude?  It's a few hours walk.

[Aeowyn]

Decree of Monument:

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This tower once served as a meeting place where those brave souls who achieved safe passage to Skyrim would find loved ones, and leave notice for others who could not be found.

Let it stand in honor of those who had the strength and spirit to accept Skyrim's Offer "untithed to any thane or hold, and self-governed, with free worship, with no compensation to Skyrim or the Empire except as writ in the Armistice of old wheresoever those might still apply, and henceforth let no Man or Mer say that the Sons and Daughters of Kyne are without mercy or honor."

We, the Jarls of Skyrim, hereby decree this site as monument to the struggle of those who fled their native home of Morrowind in the time following the Red Year.

The Dunmer are just so thickheaded and proud that they refuse to do "dirty" work. Speak with the Dunmer who works on that farm and he'll tell you that his family give him crap because he chose to work instead of being bitter.

[RedArmyShogun]

Addai67 wrote...

For the moving part, its a war zone with Dragons flying around and most people cant carry as much as the PC? I know sounds retarded.

 I mean giant flying lizards, barbarian bands, and a civil War sure as hell wouldn't stop me from moving. I mean I have god like powers, weapons, armor.......oh wait I'm an NPC. I'm totally ****ed.


Speak of I suggest you read some history books if you have then history books not wrote by retards. Cause I have a book right here next to me that pretty much says your insane, and given it has links to other historical documents and conventional history that shows otherwise, I think I'll take its word over some faceless member of the masses online.

Pretty much all history books call the time the from Romes final Fall till, oh the 15th century, the Dark Ages, as it was clearly a happy time with no plauges or raids, or Wars, I mean thats just obvious communist propaganda.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 06 mai 2012 - 10:47 .

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Only half the country, that part that the Thalmor at one point completely conquered? Yeah that's not big deal.

They conquered it because the redguards were off fighting in Cyrodiil in the legion.

You can't call what happened in Hammerfell a victory, merely a standoff, but if you're in a defensive position that's all you need.  It isn't pyrrhic unless they lose in the end- we don't know yet that they will or won't.

Addai: I'd argue what Tullius says, who actually hates the Thalmor himself, is very much relevant especially since he is one the Emperor's best generals and how exactly is the Empire cooperating more with the Thalmor?

A general in a society that has civilian rule of the military.  So unless he's banking on a legion coup of the emperor and Elder Council- he could well be, for all we know- then his opinion is limited.

[DarkDragon777]

Addai67 wrote...

You're just talking junk.  Lifespan did not decrease in the Dark Ages; agricultural advances were made that surpassed the Romans.  Trade did not disappear; trade was flourishing during this period.  The ravages of Vikings and Muslims were exaggerated by the monks who left most of the chronicles of this time.  Certainly from their perspective, the world was going to hell.  That's because they were representatives of Roman Christianity.  If you see Christianity declining and Romanism declining, and you're a Romanist Christian figure describing your times and wanting to call people to action, then of course the apocalypse is upon you.  It doesn't follow that it actually is.  In the Renaissance and into the 19th century, all we had of this time period were texts written by these men, so that was the picture that was put forth of the "Dark Ages."  Now we have archaeological evidence and we know the limitations of their accounts.

I'm not sure if you're joking......

[Addai]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Speak of I suggest you read some history books if you have then history books not wrote by retards. Cause I have a book right here next to me that pretty much says your insane, and given it has links to other historical documents and conventional history that shows otherwise, I think I'll take its word over some faceless member of the masses online.

Pretty much all history books call the time the from Romes final Fall till, oh the 15th century, the Dark Ages, as it was clearly a happy time with no plauges or raids, or Wars, I mean thats just obvious communist propaganda.

Well, keep reading.  Your one book is certainly not all that was ever or ever will be written of medieval history.  We're learning new things about this era every day.  The sciences of marine archaeology, DNA analysis, aerial photography, etc. have added a lot in just the last decade or two.

I have a degree in this, BTW, and have spent most of my life studying the subject.

[RedArmyShogun]

I'm sure you do I have a peice of Paper that says I'm the King of England. You will from this day forth call me your highness.

[Addai]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

I'm not sure if you're joking......

Absolutely not.

[Addai]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

I'm sure you do I have a peice of Paper that says I'm the King of England. You will from this day forth call me your highness.

LOL  Listen, I'm not going to school you.  Look it up.  I'm sure if you google "Dark Ages no longer accepted term" you'll find plenty of interesting reading.

Modifié par Addai67, 06 mai 2012 - 10:54 .

[RedArmyShogun]

I have also seen thats not widely held either. The period wasn't as bad as it was made out. Nor as good as you make it out. Unless of course books from 2012 are outdated. And I really Am the King of england, and you will call me by my title you lowly peasent. Or I will have you locked in Tower of London, for the Rest of your sad, sad, days.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 06 mai 2012 - 11:01 .