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[android654]

First, let me acknowledge that this story is a bit old, but i just stumbled across it and it was quite interesting.

[quote]A Northwestern University professor is defending a controversial after-school demonstration, which featured a naked woman "being repeatedly sexually stimulated" by a device he called a "F**ksaw" in front of students.

The Daily Northwestern reported Tuesday that Prof. John Michael Bailey, who teaches a popular Human Sexuality course at the school, often holds after-class events which include everything from "a question-and-answer session with swingers to a panel of convicted sex offenders."

Last week, the after-class event featured a naked woman being stimulated by a motorized sex toy called a "f**ksaw" on stage, the paper reports. The woman was not a student.

Students were reportedly warned about the explicit nature of the demonstration, and were urged to skip the event if they were worried about being uncomfortable.

One school administrator told the Daily Northwestern he was surprised to hear of the demonstration, but said it most likely did not violate school policies. [/quote]

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[Eternal Phoenix]

What bull is this? The guy sounds like a freak to me and he even tries to justify it. Hilarious. The act surely couldn't have been educational in any way. But this is what today's age gives us. No one has honor, moral, decency or even respect for themselves anymore.

[marbatico]

i took the liberty of looking up what a ****saw is, and i have to tell you: gentlemen, if thats what women want these days, we're royally screwed...

[android654]

Elton John is dead wrote...

What bull is this? The guy sounds like a freak to me and he even tries to justify it. Hilarious. The act surely couldn't have been educational in any way. But this is what today's age gives us. No one has honor, moral, decency or even respect for themselves anymore.

The course was on human sexuality. Don't you think the portion about sex is important to the course?

marbatico wrote...

i took the liberty of looking up what a ****saw is, and i have to tell you: gentlemen, if thats what women want these days, we're royally screwed...

I hate to break it to you, but it's what a lot of people want.

[Eternal Phoenix]

android654 wrote...
The course was on human sexuality. Don't you think the portion about sex is important to the course?

If porn is important to the course then they should use the internet if they want to view degrading stuff. It seems like the professor just wanted an excuse to ****** at some live action because I don't see how having a woman sexually simulated in front of you could be educational in any way. What was the professor doing during that time anyways?

[android654]

Elton John is dead wrote...

android654 wrote...
The course was on human sexuality. Don't you think the portion about sex is important to the course?

If porn is important to the course then they should use the internet if they want to view degrading stuff. It seems like the professor just wanted an excuse to ****** at some live action because I don't see how having a woman sexually simulated in front of you could be educational in any way. What was the professor doing during that time anyways?

It was a lecture on the evolution of sexuality. So this included slides, a lecture and a demonstration of different avenues of "self-pleasure." After the demonstration, he had other speakers talk and he proceded to lecture his students. He's also been leading this course for years, so I doubt it was a need to see pornography. Not to mention he handed waivers to all of his students, explaining the content of the lecture, and expressing that it was entirely optional and would have no effect on their standing in the course. What's degrading about this?

[android654]

greengoron89 wrote...

So... what was the point of this demonstration on an academic level, exactly?

To highlight the evolution of  "self-pleasure." It would be like a demonstration of an Ipad or a smartphone at a lecture about 21st century communication.

[termokanden]

Don't really feel offended at all by the demonstration in itself. Nobody got hurt, everone was warned.

However, I do care a bit about how academics choose to spend their resources. Not only do I not have any doubt that the vast majority of students know what this is, it hardly requires a live demonstration. This is the part that bothers me. Why not just have material that describes it? Even a video would make more sense. A live demonstration seems a little bit too much like someone wants a show.

Modifié par termokanden, 06 mai 2012 - 04:35 .

[termokanden]

I'm thinking the idea is also to generate interest in the course, only this time it backfired and generated a bit too much interest

[android654]

termokanden wrote...

Don't really feel offended at all by the demonstration in itself. Nobody got hurt, everone was warned.

However, I do care a bit about how academics choose to spend their resources. I don't really see how this has any significant eductional value, even in a course about sexuality. Not only do I not have any doubt that the vast majority of students know what this is, it hardly requires a live demonstration.

If fewer people know about it, and the professor though it important for his students to understand the course, then perhaps a live demonstration is important. There's also the consideration that human sexuality is supposed to be an involved act, and it's difficult to communicate through film what can be communicated in person. There's also the possibility that Professors always need to find new ways to engage their students and make their course interesting in order to avoid the mundane trap a lot of educators fall in to.

greengoron89 wrote...

android654 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

So... what was the point of this demonstration on an academic level, exactly?

To highlight the evolution of  "self-pleasure." It would be like a demonstration of an Ipad or a smartphone at a lecture about 21st century communication.

Wouldn't it have been simpler and less controversial to just show a film of this, then? I mean, there's no shortage of pornography featuring this kind of stuff.

Seems like poor judgment on the professor's part IMHO.

Well, some times a course has to be slightly controversial in order to promote a new way of thinking, analyzing and questioning. It would be like taking a course on Civil War era America and reading a lot of grotesque pro-slavery propaganda, KKK and white supremacy speeches and panel discussions. Both of which should be considered much more offensive than a display of sexual activity.

[Eternal Phoenix]

android654 wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

android654 wrote...
The course was on human sexuality. Don't you think the portion about sex is important to the course?

If porn is important to the course then they should use the internet if they want to view degrading stuff. It seems like the professor just wanted an excuse to ****** at some live action because I don't see how having a woman sexually simulated in front of you could be educational in any way. What was the professor doing during that time anyways?

It was a lecture on the evolution of sexuality. So this included slides, a lecture and a demonstration of different avenues of "self-pleasure." After the demonstration, he had other speakers talk and he proceded to lecture his students. He's also been leading this course for years, so I doubt it was a need to see pornography. Not to mention he handed waivers to all of his students, explaining the content of the lecture, and expressing that it was entirely optional and would have no effect on their standing in the course. What's degrading about this?

The fact that there was no reason to show a live simulation to explain "self-pleasure." Seems the professor can't be that good of a professor if he needs to create a live simulation. It could easily have been explained.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Pictures and Videos are the best learning components ... [suspicion] but this idiot teacher had more intentions than learning itself.

Punishment is demanded.

[android654]

Elton John is dead wrote...

android654 wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

android654 wrote...
The course was on human sexuality. Don't you think the portion about sex is important to the course?

If porn is important to the course then they should use the internet if they want to view degrading stuff. It seems like the professor just wanted an excuse to ****** at some live action because I don't see how having a woman sexually simulated in front of you could be educational in any way. What was the professor doing during that time anyways?

It was a lecture on the evolution of sexuality. So this included slides, a lecture and a demonstration of different avenues of "self-pleasure." After the demonstration, he had other speakers talk and he proceded to lecture his students. He's also been leading this course for years, so I doubt it was a need to see pornography. Not to mention he handed waivers to all of his students, explaining the content of the lecture, and expressing that it was entirely optional and would have no effect on their standing in the course. What's degrading about this?

The fact that there was no reason to show a live simulation to explain "self-pleasure." Seems the professor can't be that good of a professor if he needs to create a live simulation. It could easily have been explained.

Please don't make unsubstantiated claims. Dr. Bailey is a respected professor, researcher and scientist. He's one of the first researchers to discover the fact that sexuality is inherited and made the ground work for other scientists who eventually discovered the "gay gene." He was the head of the psychology department at Northwestern for 14 years and stepped down only to teach more. He's still employed as a tenured professor in human sexuality and psychology at Northwestern. So I'd say he's proved his knowledge as an educator and the university considers him valuable enough to keep him around to this day.

[termokanden]

android654 wrote...

If fewer people know about it, and the professor though it important for his students to understand the course, then perhaps a live demonstration is important. There's also the consideration that human sexuality is supposed to be an involved act, and it's difficult to communicate through film what can be communicated in person. There's also the possibility that Professors always need to find new ways to engage their students and make their course interesting in order to avoid the mundane trap a lot of educators fall in to.

To a degree. At that level in the system, the students are supposed to supposed to be able to read, listen and comprehend without constant demonstrations. I also think the concept here is rather simple to understand, and this is why I don't understand the necessity of a live demonstration.

As a student, I was happy if we got a lecturer that didn't just sit there mindlessly flipping through hundreds of pages of PowerPoint slideshows. I know the value of a good educator for sure. But at this level the students are still supposed to be adults, and an extremely simple concept like this doesn't seem to warrant a live demonstration.

That said, I wouldn't fire the guy or anything. I am just speculating that he didn't choose a live demonstration because it was in any way necessary.

greengoron89 wrote...

Well, some times a course has to be slightly controversial in order to promote a new way of thinking, analyzing and questioning. It would be like taking a course on Civil War era America and reading a lot of grotesque pro-slavery propaganda, KKK and white supremacy speeches and panel discussions. Both of which should be considered much more offensive than a display of sexual activity.

Should, but aren't. There could be many reasons for a live demonstration such as this. And I'm wondering if personal enjoyment, political strategy (generating interest in the course), or some sort of demonstration against narrowmindedness wasn't a part of this guy's plan. This is 100% speculation of course.

Modifié par termokanden, 06 mai 2012 - 04:56 .

[DarkDragon777]

It's amazing that our "education" system has turned into this idiocy.

[termokanden]

Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...

Punishment is demanded.

It is if he broke laws or university rules. Doesn't seem like he did.

[android654]

termokanden wrote...

Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...

Punishment is demanded.

It is if he broke laws or university rules. Doesn't seem like he did.

He didn't do either as he is still emplyed and teaching at Northwestern today.

[slimgrin]

Sign me up for that class.

[termokanden]

greengoron89 wrote...

America certainly could do with a new way of thinking regarding sex in general - this country is far too uptight about sexual matters, promoting it with one hand yet censoring it with the other.

Meanwhile, one only has to turn on their television to see mangled corpses and gruesome acts of violence, both real and fictional - and I don't think our open display of violence, yet repression of sex is really the right message to be sending people, now is it?

Still, this demonstration just seems... pointless, on the surface at least.

Yeah I agree 100%.

However, my education was computer science and math. Nothing like this ever happened there. I'm sure there are also lots of insights about other subjects that I am missing, so I'm not fully qualified to say whether it was necessary or not. Doesn't seem like it to me, so I'm a bit skeptical.

I'll tell you what is necessary though. Math lecturers need to get off their asses and actually give a live demonstration that they understand the proofs they write on the board. Because I don't think half of them could even explain the parts they said were "trivial" 

[bmwcrazy]

Sounds like a fun course. Sign me up.

[DarkDragon777]

greengoron89 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Well, some times a course has to be slightly controversial in order to promote a new way of thinking, analyzing and questioning. It would be like taking a course on Civil War era America and reading a lot of grotesque pro-slavery propaganda, KKK and white supremacy speeches and panel discussions. Both of which should be considered much more offensive than a display of sexual activity.

America certainly could do with a new way of thinking regarding sex in general - this country is far too uptight about sexual matters, promoting it with one hand yet censoring it with the other.

Meanwhile, one only has to turn on their television to see mangled corpses and gruesome acts of violence, both real and fictional - and I don't think our open display of violence, yet repression of sex is really the right message to be sending people, now is it?

Still, this demonstration just seems... pointless, on the surface at least.

You know, because violence is, whether you like it or not, a neccesary and unavoidable part of life. People publicly displaying their love of sex toys isn't necessary nor entertaining. All it is is a waste of money and something that teaches people that we should only care about pointless pleasures instead of more important matters. Sorry people, our reproductive organs are something we use to reproduce, not flash in public.

[bmwcrazy]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Sorry people, our reproductive organs are something we use for pleasure.

ftfy