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[Mylia Stenetch]

Skelter192 wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...
You are a commie then!

 

I appreciate a good orgy is all.

In Soviet Russia orgies go without you!

[Chromie]

greengoron89 wrote...
 time for America to catch up.

There is a lot America can learn from our European overlords.

[eroeru]

greengoron89 wrote...

eroeru wrote...

^^ Yeah, but should universities have a course where people of the Ku-Klux clan demonstrate what kind of attire is right for their purposes? (like introduce the intricacies of making a gallow or something). Or show how they discriminate a ****** (with a willing afro-american participant, who is a masochist).

To clarify: I do not believe sexually "liberated" people are on the same level as ku klux klan, but they're certainly in much the same level of controversy and (used to be) debated and argued as much about.

This isn't about being "sexually liberated" - it's about live and let live. Peoples' sex lives are theirs, and theirs alone - society shouldn't snoop around in their business and try to dictate to them which ways to have sex are "acceptable", and which ways aren't.

There are a lot of countries that stopped caring about and interfering in peoples' sex lives long ago - time for America to catch up.

For those purposes, hearing an interview with the people (like in the video I posted here), or having a Q&A session is going to give a lot more info.

Still, I must emphasize, I do not think evil of this "controversy". And I'd probably see it for myself if it were in my uni, out of sheer curiosity and controversy. But were I a lecturer, I would not let this happen - nor would I do so as a rector of the uni.

[android654]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And if I enjoy racial slurs in public, it's my choice?

 

It is your choice. You're totally free to do so as long as you keep in mind that you're reponsible for your actions.

By that logic, you are not allowed to try to stop me, sanction me or condemn me regardless of what I do, as long as it's the name of freedom and science.

Spreading racism? My choice of words, my freedom. Also, research into psychology.
Goading people into sucide? My choice of words, my freedom. Also, research into psychology.

Lines to draw? What lines?

Do you not see your own hypocrisy? Yes, go ahead and do whatever you want, but you can't complain when others do what they want, like trying to stop you.

Also, not trying to be cute I'm being entirely sincere, you might want to see a professional therapist. This need you seem to have, to equate a sexual display to a racist hate group shows you have some serious problems with your association with sex. That's usually a sign of abuse or dysfunction in or more areas. It could seriously help change this bent outlook you have.

eroeru wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

eroeru wrote...

^^ Yeah, but should universities have a course where people of the Ku-Klux clan demonstrate what kind of attire is right for their purposes? (like introduce the intricacies of making a gallow or something). Or show how they discriminate a ****** (with a willing afro-american participant, who is a masochist).

To clarify: I do not believe sexually "liberated" people are on the same level as ku klux klan, but they're certainly in much the same level of controversy and (used to be) debated and argued as much about.

This isn't about being "sexually liberated" - it's about live and let live. Peoples' sex lives are theirs, and theirs alone - society shouldn't snoop around in their business and try to dictate to them which ways to have sex are "acceptable", and which ways aren't.

There are a lot of countries that stopped caring about and interfering in peoples' sex lives long ago - time for America to catch up.

For those purposes, hearing an interview with the people (like in the video I posted here), or having a Q&A session is going to give a lot more info.

Still, I must emphasize, I do not think evil of this "controversy". And I'd probably see it for myself if it were in my uni, out of sheer curiosity and controversy. But were I a lecturer, I would not let this happen - nor would I do so as a rector of the uni.

I'm not sure what you think took place, but there were several speakers and there was a q&a with the speakers at the end. The demonstration was but a small part of the entire lecture.

lol Afro-american. What is it, 1960?

[Eternal Phoenix]

Skelter192 wrote...
They have as much right to their views as you do to yours. 

They don't and ideas like allow tyrants like Stalin and Hitler to arise. We all know how that went...

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Do I have to right to kill another human being? No not unless it's to avert more deaths.

There's a difference between hate speech and freedom of speech. Thankfully over here in the UK hate speech is a crime and one racist woman who thought she could say anything she wanted spent her Christmas behind bars as a result.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...
They have as much right to their views as you do to yours. 

They don't and ideas like allow tyrants like Stalin and Hitler to arise. We all know how that went...

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Do I have to right to kill another human being? No not unless it's to avert more deaths.

There's a difference between hate speech and freedom of speech. Thankfully over here in the UK hate speech is a crime and one racist woman who thought she could say anything she wanted spent her Christmas behind bars as a result.

It is the same in Canada, we do not have the American freedom of speech. Skelter is from America and they can do that and get away with it cause of the overarching freedom of speech. It is crazy, but Bill Mahr did bring it up in a monolouge that he does not like extreme religious, but does not want them to be quite since it voids the freedom of speech they have.

I know in Canada some of the events people try and say about KKK and other stuff has happened before and they were arrested for hate crimes quickly.

[eroeru]

@android654

Well, I simply think that the demonstration was too low on info to give merit to the controversy.

And yes, that word for blacks was intentional. One should never refrain from laughing over "important" stuff and demands of lessening linguistic demeaning.

PS/edit: I like the kind of (self-?)irony that's hard to spot.

Modifié par eroeru, 09 mai 2012 - 07:06 .

[android654]

eroeru wrote...

@android654

Well, I simply think that the demonstration was too low on info to give merit to the controversy.

And yes, that word for blacks was intentional. One should never refrain from laughing over "important" stuff and demands of lessening linguistic demeaning.

PS/edit: I like the kind of (self-?)irony that's hard to spot.

The term afro-american is an antiquated term and actually considered offensive by most. That's why it's funny you used that term when hypothetically talking about someone working with the KKK. That's ironic.

Modifié par android654, 09 mai 2012 - 07:32 .

[eroeru]

Aah, offensive? I didn't know that.

edit: sure, but the context is important, isn't it? When saying it to someone personally it's strange, but if it's in the news that the "african american" voters' precentage was this and that, it's the most neutral term there is, right?...

Modifié par eroeru, 09 mai 2012 - 07:37 .

[Elhanan]

greengoron89 wrote...

I see - so it's not bigoted for people to invoke their personal beliefs to determine when, where, and how other people have sex, but it is bigoted for people to state their opinions to the contrary?

Interesting.

bigotry

noun, plural big·ot·ries.

1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.


2.the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

Sorry, but even permissives can show bigotry. And it seems to occur far more often than some will accept.

If those that are offended choose to complain, then they are labled intolerant, but it is often the more permissive one that refuses to see that others may not hold their liberal POV.

Modifié par Elhanan, 09 mai 2012 - 08:55 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

android654 wrote...
Do you not see your own hypocrisy?

Do you see your own folly?

Also, not trying to be cute I'm being entirely sincere, you might want to see a professional therapist. This need you seem to have, to equate a sexual display to a racist hate group shows you have some serious problems with your association with sex. That's usually a sign of abuse or dysfunction in or more areas. It could seriously help change this bent outlook you have.

LOL..
You might to take your own advice there. This obsessivenes with sex and freedom can't be healthy.
Playing therapist doesn't seem to fit you at all, especially given how off the mark you are.

[Lotion Soronarr]

greengoron89 wrote...
This isn't about being "sexually liberated" - it's about live and let live. Peoples' sex lives are theirs, and theirs alone - society shouldn't snoop around in their business and try to dictate to them which ways to have sex are "acceptable", and which ways aren't.

Peoples sex alives are a PRIVATE thing.
It's not something to display publicly.

We shouldn't tell one how to live? Oh, but we do. All the time. That's what laws are for.

If I were to crack up my radio to max, all the while blasting obnoxiously irritating music - do you have any right to complain? After all, it's my freedom to listen to my music in any way I want. If your ear drums don't like it they can go away.
So what if it bothers you?
It's not nice? It's not civilized? Nah, it's just my "freedom".

[Lotion Soronarr]

People who campaign for tolerance but are intolerant of those that do not tolerate their tolerance...are they really tolerant?


There is no such thing as ultimate freedom and all freedom has constraints and rules.
Spending the uni's funds and time for something like that is grounds for a boot to the head as far as I'm concerend.

[Chromie]

Elton John is dead wrote...
 Thankfully over here in the UK hate speech is a crime and one racist woman who thought she could say anything she wanted spent her Christmas behind bars as a result.

Well why not just say your from the UK? Obviously we are going to have different opinions especially since I'm American and we are ttalking about something that happened in a American University not sure why your reaching and bringing in racism.  It's perfectly acceptable to be a dick in public, free speech does allow that, it's when it infringes on someone elses right to life and all that it's a problem. Pretty ****ing stupid to be in jail for saying something racist and frankly I'm surprised.

And listen to yourself killing someone to avert more death. How would you even know?

Modifié par Skelter192, 09 mai 2012 - 09:23 .

[bmwcrazy]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

By that logic, you are not allowed to try to stop me, sanction me or condemn me regardless of what I do, as long as it's the name of freedom and science.

Spreading racism? My choice of words, my freedom. Also, research into psychology.
Goading people into sucide? My choice of words, my freedom. Also, research into psychology.

Lines to draw? What lines?

It is not logic. If you aren't breaking the laws, no one is allowed to stop you from doing whatever you want.

[Chromie]

bmwcrazy wrote...

It is not logic. If you aren't breaking the laws, no one is allowed to stop you from doing whatever you want.

According to Elton you can.

[bmwcrazy]

Skelter192 wrote...
According to Elton you can. 

Elton also lied about being a police officer. You can't trust that man. 

[android654]

eroeru wrote...

Aah, offensive? I didn't know that.

edit: sure, but the context is important, isn't it? When saying it to someone personally it's strange, but if it's in the news that the "african american" voters' precentage was this and that, it's the most neutral term there is, right?...

In the U.S. that term usually links back to the Civil rights era here, and a lot of people connect it to racial politics, so it generally goes unused in this country. Not sure about other countries, but here we generally use "black" in common terms and "african-american" on legal and government documents.

I'm not saying you were implying one thing or another, I just found it funny since practically no one uses it anymore.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Peoples sex alives are a PRIVATE thing.
It's not something to display publicly.

Sex is personal, but it isn't private. It's a huge part of our society and our biology, and with everything concerning our society and biology we need people to study and further understand them.


I must admit, I find it hilarious you people are so up in arms over this. You'd lose your minds if you knew a high school teacher recommended to me to read The Story of O when I was 16. Then again, if this is indicative of how you live your lives, you probably don't know what the story is about.

[android654]

greengoron89 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

bigotry

noun, plural big·ot·ries.

1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.


2.the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

Sorry, but even permissives can show bigotry. And it seems to occur far more often than some will accept.

If those that are offended choose to complain, then they are labled intolerant, but it is often the more permissive one that refuses to see that others may not hold their liberal POV.

Truly? Because that sounds like you, Elton, Lotion, and some of the others here in a nutshell, to me - but I suppose by accusing the other side of being the same, you absolve yourself of any notion that you're a "bigot" yourself.

It's also funny because you're the person who brought "bigotry" into the conversation in the first place - and now you're throwing around the term "liberal" on top of that. It seems you're looking at this discussion through a pair of political glasses, and not simply for what it is.

Thank you. Dr. Bailey was working from an apolitical position, since he has no political power and was teaching a course on sexual and mental health. If anyone's interested in discussing polititcs, go somewhere else. This is about the news article in the OP.

[bmwcrazy]

android654 wrote...
You'd lose your minds if you knew a high school teacher recommended to me to read The Story of O when I was 16. Then again, if this is indicative of how you live your lives, you probably don't know what the story is about.

I suppose it is not about the "O" face?