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[android654]

Elhanan wrote...

android654 wrote...

It's rather accurate. I'm American, and can tell you the majority of this country is very closeted about sexuality and as a result we have an abundance of people who are willfully ignorant to the basic fundamentals of sexuality and sex in general.

Welcome; am American, too.! And here we both have freedom and rights, as well as they do not infringe, break, spoil, etc the rights and freedoms of others. And here we have the right to be closeted or open as we wish privately, within the laws of course.

Both have rights and freedoms under the law.

Legality has nothing to do with the cultural climate, which is what that comment was about. The majority of people are very regressive in their manner of thinking and other people are forced to carry the weight of the consequences those backwards people inflict on the rest of us.

[android654]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And if I enjoy racial slurs in public, it's my choice?

 

There are no "Thought Police" patrolling the streets making sure people's words are in line with some sort of guidelines. Racist groups hold rallies in public all the time. So go ahead and be racist in public if that's what you feel, just don't claim immunity if someone else does the same and verbally destroys you for being an ignoramus.

[Mylia Stenetch]

android654 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And if I enjoy racial slurs in public, it's my choice?

 

There are no "Thought Police" patrolling the streets making sure people's words are in line with some sort of guidelines. Racist groups hold rallies in public all the time. So go ahead and be racist in public if that's what you feel, just don't claim immunity if someone else does the same and verbally destroys you for being an ignoramus.

Yes in the states you can do that since it is public speech. Luckily in Canada you can charged with a hate crime, since we do not have the freedom of speech you have. 

[Elhanan]

android654 wrote...

Well when one side is in favor of allowing people to be responsible for themselves and answer to themselves when it comes to something as individualistic as sex, and the other side turns their noses up at the notion of people not behaving in a manner they deem correct, then yes the arguement is one sided. No one has the right to tell people what is acceptable sexually when everyone is a participating member. If you rather keep everything about yourself private and hidden away, that's your own problem to deal with. But when you think you're "need" for privacy is the only way to approach a subject, then you could not be more wrong.

As for public displays of sex, some countries have laws against it and others don't. That's really the only unit of measure you can apply to whether or not people should be allowed to do something, not your own personal code of ethics. Those are defined differently from person to person for a reason.

If the laws protect my rights to 'turn up my nose' at something in public I find repugnant, then I shall ask for them to be appled. Simply because my beliefs are different - be it in the majority or minority of popular opinion-  does not invalidte them.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Elhanan wrote...
If the laws protect my rights to 'turn up my nose' at something in public I find repugnant, then I shall ask for them to be appled. Simply because my beliefs are different - be it in the majority or minority of popular opinion-  does not invalidte them.

It was not in public. It was not in the open, you could not walk by and see it. It was a private area where only the students can go into. Are you offended by nude modeling that schools do, or nude artwork to teach the anatomy of the body?

Also we are saying they are not invalid, but what you are doing is saying your freedoms are superiour to them cause of choice which is wrong.

[Elhanan]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

*** man? You are going at an extreme here. 

Marijuana  is about as dangerous as cigarettes and alcohol, and not sure on how your laws work, but up here everything is heavily regulated and taxed strongly. This would curb illegal sales of marijuana if done properly. Also brothers which would hire clean prostitues and once again be regulated for safety. Also providing safety to people who choose to do this for a job.

All the extremes you slap on here is already happening. This would help curb these issues since protitution would not be illegal which cuts the black market and people would not be buying laced drugs which cause people to go harder.

You are assuming they are going full bareback in Time Sqaue (for example). I said public area which could be anywhere. It is their choice, just as it is you choice not to watch, call them out, or join in. Also who is to say that is what makes them happy and for you to infringe on their happiness.

Not so extreme; was able to find general info on drug addiction, organized crime, and human trafficking easily enough on the Wiki enty:

http://en.wikipedia....the_Netherlands

And making the illegal legal does not seem to be the answer some seek in solving such problems; pass for me, too.

[android654]

Elhanan wrote...
If the laws protect my rights to 'turn up my nose' at something in public I find repugnant, then I shall ask for them to be appled. Simply because my beliefs are different - be it in the majority or minority of popular opinion-  does not invalidte them.

I don't know if you're deliberately ignoring it or not comprehending it, so I'll spell it out for you. You're allowed to your opinions, no one is disputing that. That doesn't mean that your opinions are above scrutiny or analysis. It also does not mean that your opinions are the template for human behavior, so the act of turning your nose up at others opinions or views is inherently wrong.

[Elhanan]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

It was not in public. It was not in the open, you could not walk by and see it. It was a private area where only the students can go into. Are you offended by nude modeling that schools do, or nude artwork to teach the anatomy of the body?

Also we are saying they are not invalid, but what you are doing is saying your freedoms are superiour to them cause of choice which is wrong.

Again, not citing the article; could be a work of fiction, and would simply encourage officials at various levels to investigate if true.

My rights and freedoms are not worth more or less; same rights as every citizen. I try and insure that mine do not become eroded simply because they may not be popular or 'cool'.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Elhanan wrote...
Not so extreme; was able to find general info on drug addiction, organized crime, and human trafficking easily enough on the Wiki enty:

http://en.wikipedia....the_Netherlands

And making the illegal legal does not seem to be the answer some seek in solving such problems; pass for me, too.

This would help curb these issues since protitution would not be illegal which cuts the black market and people would not be buying laced drugs which cause people to go harder. 

You are still putting an extreme on it saying if brothels were legal it would turn into human trafficking, and legalizing marjuana would turn into massive drug users everywhere. As I quoted legalizing this would help curb the issues that are faced since there will be proper regulations on it. It would help with human trafficking, and drug trades. I never said it would go to zero. It is the same as saying on marijuana is legal everyone is gonna be stoned 24/7 which is another fallacy.

To say doing anything to erradicate something is an extreme, calling legalize marijana saying it leads to drug addiction is extreme, legalizing brothels saying it will spurt trafficking is extreme. People are going to find ways around everything that is how crime lasts don't you remember when alcohol was illegal, you could get it everywhere and it was worse cause of everything else in it.

[Elhanan]

android654 wrote...

I don't know if you're deliberately ignoring it or not comprehending it, so I'll spell it out for you. You're allowed to your opinions, no one is disputing that. That doesn't mean that your opinions are above scrutiny or analysis. It also does not mean that your opinions are the template for human behavior, so the act of turning your nose up at others opinions or views is inherently wrong.

And if one looks back, spelling it out should not be problematic as one side of the opinion seems to label the other fairly often. And I do not believe that has been coming from me....

[Mylia Stenetch]

Elhanan wrote...

Again, not citing the article; could be a work of fiction, and would simply encourage officials at various levels to investigate if true.

My rights and freedoms are not worth more or less; same rights as every citizen. I try and insure that mine do not become eroded simply because they may not be popular or 'cool'.

Assuming that the presentation was out in public eye for any ongoer to see is fictional too, it called common sense that it would be behind closed doors. Also again I never said you rights were not less or higher than others your opinions are your opinions and I will fight for you to have that. 

I said you are presenting your opinions are higher than others which is wrong. Also my opinions are my opinions, I state as best as I can on the internet what they are "cool" or anything else does not matter since it is my opinion and nothing else.

[Elhanan]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

This would help curb these issues since protitution would not be illegal which cuts the black market and people would not be buying laced drugs which cause people to go harder. 

You are still putting an extreme on it saying if brothels were legal it would turn into human trafficking, and legalizing marjuana would turn into massive drug users everywhere. As I quoted legalizing this would help curb the issues that are faced since there will be proper regulations on it. It would help with human trafficking, and drug trades. I never said it would go to zero. It is the same as saying on marijuana is legal everyone is gonna be stoned 24/7 which is another fallacy.

To say doing anything to erradicate something is an extreme, calling legalize marijana saying it leads to drug addiction is extreme, legalizing brothels saying it will spurt trafficking is extreme. People are going to find ways around everything that is how crime lasts don't you remember when alcohol was illegal, you could get it everywhere and it was worse cause of everything else in it.

The problems seen in the model you suggested seemed to happen in the post-legalized Netherlands. As it did see harm occur, I see even less reason to try it again. Pass.

[bmwcrazy]

Elhanan wrote...

Again, not citing the article; could be a work of fiction, and would simply encourage officials at various levels to investigate if true.

My rights and freedoms are not worth more or less; same rights as every citizen. I try and insure that mine do not become eroded simply because they may not be popular or 'cool'.

So you want an official investigation on something that did NOT happen, which in this case, you're referring to public nudity?

I suppose you're free to excercise your rights on doing something that doesn't make any sense at all, as long as you're not breaking any laws.

[android654]

Elhanan wrote...

android654 wrote...

I don't know if you're deliberately ignoring it or not comprehending it, so I'll spell it out for you. You're allowed to your opinions, no one is disputing that. That doesn't mean that your opinions are above scrutiny or analysis. It also does not mean that your opinions are the template for human behavior, so the act of turning your nose up at others opinions or views is inherently wrong.

And if one looks back, spelling it out should not be problematic as one side of the opinion seems to label the other fairly often. And I do not believe that has been coming from me....

Except you're diliberately ignoring you incessant pleas for Dr. Bailey to be investigated by the D.A. for doing nothing illegal. You're the only person crying for legal action on a completely legal act. And what is the driving force of your pleas? Your own personal opinions of him and his lecture. How do I know this? If you looked at the article and at Dr. Bailey, you'd know this is something he's done in the past with his students and no one ever qeustioned him about it. You would know that the University stood behind him and he's still teach psychology at Northwestern.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Elhanan wrote...
The problems seen in the model you suggested seemed to happen in the post-legalized Netherlands. As it did see harm occur, I see even less reason to try it again. Pass.

Try again, it happens all over the world, Netherlands is trying something different to help curb it, which I now repeated twice to you. Not eleminate it, curb the issues. Also you are still dropping extremes. What is you opinion on prostitues have a safe work enviroment?

Modifié par Mylia Stenetch, 08 mai 2012 - 07:24 .

[Elhanan]

android654 wrote...

Except you're diliberately ignoring you incessant pleas for Dr. Bailey to be investigated by the D.A. for doing nothing illegal. You're the only person crying for legal action on a completely legal act. And what is the driving force of your pleas? Your own personal opinions of him and his lecture. How do I know this? If you looked at the article and at Dr. Bailey, you'd know this is something he's done in the past with his students and no one ever qeustioned him about it. You would know that the University stood behind him and he's still teach psychology at Northwestern.

And again, I do not choose which rights and freedoms I will defend based on popular belief.

If this event did occur, I would encourage officials to look into the validity and legality of it. If it did break extant laws, then prosecute. Easy peasy!

[Elhanan]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Elhanan wrote...
The problems seen in the model you suggested seemed to happen in the post-legalized Netherlands. As it did see harm occur, I see even less reason to try it again. Pass.

Try again, it happens all over the world, Netherlands is trying something different to help curb it, which I now repeated twice to you. Not eleminate it, curb the issues. Also you are still dropping extremes. What is you opinion on prostitues have a safe work enviroment?

Not to get into politics, but the Netherlands may not be the best place to illustate repairing a possibly poor choice of legislation. Patching other patches does not appear to work well for tires, dikes, or laws.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Elhanan wrote...

Not to get into politics, but the Netherlands may not be the best place to illustate repairing a possibly poor choice of legislation. Patching other patches does not appear to work well for tires, dikes, or laws.

It is not a poor choice of legislation, if it is done correctly as repeated before. Netherlands did a good job and did what they think is right for their country. My politicians who are for legalizing brothels (since in Canada protitution is technically not illegal) to help them is fine cause it is protecting people. Also with the billion dollar buisness of marijuana just from BC that is shipped illegally making that legal and taxable to help curb the debt we have. 

Aside from having less people in jail less burden on society for nothing. Saving money protecting more people cause of simple laws and have less people depending on our hospitals seems good to me. 

Also What is your opinion on prostitutes having a safe work enviroment. Aren't they entitled to that?

[Elhanan]

I oppose prostitution. Surprise!

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...

I oppose prostitution. Surprise!

/facepalm 

So you think people who prostitute themselves don't deserve a safe work environment? 



Fine, let's keep it illegal and as dangeous as it currently is. Sex will always be in demand legalizing prostitution and taxing is much better than say policing it. 

[bmwcrazy]

Elhanan wrote...

And again, I do not choose which rights and freedoms I will defend based on popular belief.

If this event did occur, I would encourage officials to look into the validity and legality of it. If it did break extant laws, then prosecute. Easy peasy!

If you had read the article, at all, you would know that the University had already started their own investigation and they had also stated that the demostration "most likely did not violate school policies."

I suggest you read first before you waste your time on defending your belief and going completely off topic in this thread.

Modifié par bmwcrazy, 08 mai 2012 - 08:10 .

[android654]

You're telling me. It's almost like people don't care about the discussion but want to make a point that sex should be done their way. And by their way they mean under the covers, lights off, man on top, little movement.

[Chromie]

When will Roman orgy parties become more commonplace?

[Elhanan]

greengoron89 wrote...

Yowza, yowza, yowza, the Bible Belters have really come out of the woodwork big time in this thread - I feel less like I'm having a legitimate discussion about human sexuality and more like I'm being delivered a sermon.

NO ME GUSTA.

Sorry, but when I preach, I tend to cite Scripture for the sake of accuracy and authority; am into exegesis, and not eisegesis.

As a Biblical scholar with a focus on campus ministry, I had a few courses discussing sexuality, as it a major priority in the environment. And while I am no expert, I still believe to understand the educational concept that a public display of sexual performance is less about knowledge, and more about pseudo-intellectual indoctrination.

But thanks for the invite, even from those that profess tolerance while not living it.