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[Kulthar Drax]

I have always wondered why Anderson, Coates and many others aren't already indoctrinated, as they have been fighting Reaper forces for a long time on Earth by the time you go back there to retake it, with many Reapers themselves landed on the planet emitting those indoctrination signals (and hey, they presumably have indoctrination signal boosting devices since you have to turn them off in MP XD).

[CroGamer002]

^Because indoctrination is not that simple?

[frylock23]

Kulthar Drax wrote...

I have always wondered why Anderson, Coates and many others aren't already indoctrinated, as they have been fighting Reaper forces for a long time on Earth by the time you go back there to retake it, with many Reapers themselves landed on the planet emitting those indoctrination signals (and hey, they presumably have indoctrination signal boosting devices since you have to turn them off in MP XD).

Anderson explains that they retreated to the countryside because it gave them the best chance of survival. I assume that the Reapers' signal fades as you distance yourself from them. If the resistance is basically using hit and run guerilla tactics and fading into the countryside, they're minimizing their direct exposure to Reaper signal.

[Silhouett3]

Countryside may be still nice, but London apparently isn't the best place for a healthy mental aging as mentioned in a datapad just before Shep makes the last talk with Liara:

Modifié par Silhouett3, 07 mai 2012 - 09:58 .

[ediskrad327]

people think that?

[High Kicks]

...I like Coates. He reminds me of DAO

[humes spork]

Coats was born in Big Ben, you know.

[cogsandcurls]

Coates just confuses me. First I spent large swathes of Priority: Earth going "who is that? Is that Nathaniel?" because the voice rang a bell but I couldn't pin it down (before realising it's Hawke). Then at the beamy bit I got confused because while he was on the intercom I thought he was also that collapsing soldier on the ground, and got all confused as to why he was being so nonchalant while also collapsing and dying.

[hoodaticus]

KingZayd wrote...

unoriginalname1133 wrote...

 As someone who sincerely hopes that the IT is true, I need to say that the supporters really need to refine their arguments. There are a number of arguments I've seen that are fairly compelling. Shepard waking up in what looks like London after the "Destruction Wave" and the Citadel exploding should have killed him? Good stuff. Shepard's Husk-like appearance and TIM/Saren-esque glowing eyes during the Control and Sythesis ending(s)? Good stuff. "Oily shadows" in Shepard's dreams? Good stuff.

But this Coats thing just seems like a desperation grab. It's not the weakest thing I've seen; it has a little bit more to go on than people seeing parts of the Mako on the Citadel, or Vega hearing a humming noise on the Normandy. But this still seems reletively weak. IT folks need to stick to the better stuff; grasping at straws will only give nay-sayers a reason to dismiss them

From what i've seen it's not an argument FOR indoctrination theory. It's further speculation incorporating indoctrination. I haven't seen any evidence myself for him being indoctrinated, but there is an added bit of doubt there because really he was meant to be charging to the citadel like you and Anderson. Where was he?

He may have had to go to work ruining the voice acting for DA3.

[KingZayd]

hoodaticus wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

unoriginalname1133 wrote...

 As someone who sincerely hopes that the IT is true, I need to say that the supporters really need to refine their arguments. There are a number of arguments I've seen that are fairly compelling. Shepard waking up in what looks like London after the "Destruction Wave" and the Citadel exploding should have killed him? Good stuff. Shepard's Husk-like appearance and TIM/Saren-esque glowing eyes during the Control and Sythesis ending(s)? Good stuff. "Oily shadows" in Shepard's dreams? Good stuff.

But this Coats thing just seems like a desperation grab. It's not the weakest thing I've seen; it has a little bit more to go on than people seeing parts of the Mako on the Citadel, or Vega hearing a humming noise on the Normandy. But this still seems reletively weak. IT folks need to stick to the better stuff; grasping at straws will only give nay-sayers a reason to dismiss them

From what i've seen it's not an argument FOR indoctrination theory. It's further speculation incorporating indoctrination. I haven't seen any evidence myself for him being indoctrinated, but there is an added bit of doubt there because really he was meant to be charging to the citadel like you and Anderson. Where was he?

He may have had to go to work ruining the voice acting for DA3.

hmm.. I really do hope Bioware didn't mess up DA2 as badly as people say they did. I really liked DA:O

I've seen 1 person say they preferred it to DA:O. Most others said it was terrible/not as good.

[SupR G]

 Major who?

nuff said

[Mcfly616]

Same here OP.....

I like the IT.....but when I saw this "Coates" nonsense the other day, I was seeing the worst case of straw grasping since this whole ending ordeal began....

He's a battle-scarred soldier that's most definitely seen some horrific things while on Earth.....I'm sure we'd all be a little pessimistic in his shoes......

Certain people trying to use this to back up the IT are ridiculous and actually give the IT a bad name.....its nothing relevant.....just weirdos that have no logic would believe the "Coates indoctrinated" idea

[Taboo]

I don't even think I talked to Coates......

Did I?

He wasn't very memorable....

[ShaneP]

People here seem to be obsessed with indoctrination. A convenient way of rationalising a reason for plot points that they disliked, disagreed with, or thought were holes.

[HellbirdIV]

Never heard the theory that Coats is indoctrinated before, but I guess it does make some sense.

Indoctrination is used to subvert people's resolve which could explain why Coats is so pessimistic - people need to remember that there's a scale, indoctrinated people aren't instantly turned into Reaper-puppets.

They are slowly, quietly fed thoughts and feelings that lean them away from their set course into ideas that more benefit the Reapers.

I honestly don't know if Coats is supposed to be indoctrinated, but I wouldn't call bull**** if it was revealed that he was.

[cogsandcurls]

KingZayd wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

unoriginalname1133 wrote...

 As someone who sincerely hopes that the IT is true, I need to say that the supporters really need to refine their arguments. There are a number of arguments I've seen that are fairly compelling. Shepard waking up in what looks like London after the "Destruction Wave" and the Citadel exploding should have killed him? Good stuff. Shepard's Husk-like appearance and TIM/Saren-esque glowing eyes during the Control and Sythesis ending(s)? Good stuff. "Oily shadows" in Shepard's dreams? Good stuff.

But this Coats thing just seems like a desperation grab. It's not the weakest thing I've seen; it has a little bit more to go on than people seeing parts of the Mako on the Citadel, or Vega hearing a humming noise on the Normandy. But this still seems reletively weak. IT folks need to stick to the better stuff; grasping at straws will only give nay-sayers a reason to dismiss them

From what i've seen it's not an argument FOR indoctrination theory. It's further speculation incorporating indoctrination. I haven't seen any evidence myself for him being indoctrinated, but there is an added bit of doubt there because really he was meant to be charging to the citadel like you and Anderson. Where was he?

He may have had to go to work ruining the voice acting for DA3.

hmm.. I really do hope Bioware didn't mess up DA2 as badly as people say they did. I really liked DA:O

I've seen 1 person say they preferred it to DA:O. Most others said it was terrible/not as good.

DA2 is enjoyable if you like character-driven narratives, if you're willing to read the codex to get a lot of characterisation and context the game doesn't give you, and if you end up loving the characters enough to overlook some of the flaws (pacing, bad enemy waves and level repetition are the main ones, although they fixed these in DLC episodes). It helps if you know going in that it is NOTHING like DA:O. I love both of them deeply but they are very different games, from art direction to story (DA2 basically does away with the Hero's Journey and tries to do something more original), to approval system to battle system. It's very much a Marmite game.

[Taboo]

ShaneP wrote...

People here seem to be obsessed with indoctrination. A convenient way of rationalising a reason for plot points that they disliked, disagreed with, or thought were holes.

[hoodaticus]

KingZayd wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

unoriginalname1133 wrote...

 As someone who sincerely hopes that the IT is true, I need to say that the supporters really need to refine their arguments. There are a number of arguments I've seen that are fairly compelling. Shepard waking up in what looks like London after the "Destruction Wave" and the Citadel exploding should have killed him? Good stuff. Shepard's Husk-like appearance and TIM/Saren-esque glowing eyes during the Control and Sythesis ending(s)? Good stuff. "Oily shadows" in Shepard's dreams? Good stuff.

But this Coats thing just seems like a desperation grab. It's not the weakest thing I've seen; it has a little bit more to go on than people seeing parts of the Mako on the Citadel, or Vega hearing a humming noise on the Normandy. But this still seems reletively weak. IT folks need to stick to the better stuff; grasping at straws will only give nay-sayers a reason to dismiss them

From what i've seen it's not an argument FOR indoctrination theory. It's further speculation incorporating indoctrination. I haven't seen any evidence myself for him being indoctrinated, but there is an added bit of doubt there because really he was meant to be charging to the citadel like you and Anderson. Where was he?

He may have had to go to work ruining the voice acting for DA3.

hmm.. I really do hope Bioware didn't mess up DA2 as badly as people say they did. I really liked DA:O

I've seen 1 person say they preferred it to DA:O. Most others said it was terrible/not as good.

If you like dozens of widely varying missions - all on the same recycled map - with B-rate voice acting, then no, Bioware didn't screw up DA2.

There are only two reasons to play DA2:

1. The Arishok
2. Combat