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[Rockworm503]

 Theory of A Deadman surprised me.  I put off getting The Truth Is... Because I thought it would be the same thing.
How wrong I was

Modifié par Rockworm503, 08 mai 2012 - 02:21 .

[android654]

Volus Warlord wrote...

android654 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

LMAO I'm reminded of Hideo Kojima admiting he doesn't like Video Games.  Goes on to creat the popular Metal Gear series.  Turns the 4th one into a long ass movie with gameplay sections in between.  A musician who doesn't care much for most music.
Well have fun with that.

Thanks. I sure will.

Here's another for you, although it's more aggravation than self-pity. 

Theory of A Dead Man!?

I't been a while since I heard these guys. Makes me feel like I'm a goth thirteen year old all over again.

Lol. A friend of mine showed me that and told me it was my theme song. Never forgot it since.

Why so critical?

Critical? Quite the opposite. That style of Alternative meets NuMetal wave filled my discman in the eighth and seventh grade. It just gave me a junior high flashback.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...


Give me one good rap song then. Rap consists of a man simply talking fast and often swearing. I've listened to all the so-called top rap artists over here in the UK and America and there's nothing beautiful about their songs (as music is meant to be), there's nothing thought provoking about them, there's no melody to them and there's certainly no talent in them.

You're right. But before expressing such claims, remember that even if you're 80% correct, your opponents will slap you in the face with the remaining 20%, saying "lol your generalization is incorrect lol". <_<

To be fair, 80% of every genre is crap.

Then I'm done with you music *Hitler's reaction to this thread*!

[android654]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

android654 wrote...

For the love of god, click the link. It's Blue-Eyed soul not rap. Rap doesn't own the rights to violence in music. People were violent in their songs long before people conolozed the west. Violence is a human emotion and a human experience. It has a place in our art.

I would say violence for a reason does. Not purposeless violence. Not vengeful violence--or, not with a positive connotation to it.

And, slow connection but I did watch it. Interesting, but it's not something I would listen to regularly. I listen to music I identify with, that touches me to the core, that I feel.

Vengeance is a purpose for expressing violence. Not acceptable in our everyday world, but just about every story that has heroes, like The Oddessy the trials of Heracles, or The Count Of Monte Cristo originate from a need to exact vengeance upon someone who wronged them in some way. It's a primal sense of wrong that we feel. An eye for an eye is something we don;t exercise everyday, but the emotion of doing to one person what they've done to you but on a higher scale is pretty universally felt. If that's what you took away from rap songs with messages about violence, it would be best to go back and listen to them again. I've yet to hear a song in any genre that condoned killing without some sort of narrative tied to the actual violence. You couldn't make a song like a saw movie, it would be an indecipherable mess.

[android654]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

android654 wrote...

Vengeance is a purpose for expressing violence. Not acceptable in our everyday world, but just about every story that has heroes, like The Oddessy the trials of Heracles, or The Count Of Monte Cristo originate from a need to exact vengeance upon someone who wronged them in some way. It's a primal sense of wrong that we feel. An eye for an eye is something we don;t exercise everyday, but the emotion of doing to one person what they've done to you but on a higher scale is pretty universally felt. If that's what you took away from rap songs with messages about violence, it would be best to go back and listen to them again. I've yet to hear a song in any genre that condoned killing without some sort of narrative tied to the actual violence. You couldn't make a song like a saw movie, it would be an indecipherable mess.

I dislike vengeance with a positive connotation, I noted. The Count of Monte Cristo is one of my favorite books, mostly because of his letter at the end, where he realizes it was all for naught, when he realizes that it wasn't his place.

And that really isn't the reason I don't listen to rap, I don't listen for other reasons.

Doesn't deny the fact that his driving force was for vengeance even at the cost of Mercede's well being.

Which would be?

[Rockworm503]

Funny I'm hearing a rap song right now.
It sure sounds like singing to me.

[Homebound]

So the main problem with music today is how talent is subverted by over-saturation and how image and a please-everybody attitude towards marketing is undermining this generation's next great musical innovation for a disillusioned audience.....Sounds eerily familiar.

Personally I just listen to what I like, in the end, I think thats what best for everybody. Let the chips fall where they may.

[android654]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

android654 wrote...

Doesn't deny the fact that his driving force was for vengeance even at the cost of Mercede's well being.

Which would be?

I'm a lyricist. I like singing. All the bands I regularly listen to have good to amazing voices, imo of course. There's little to no singing in rap, just talking. Now, I'm not trying to slam it or anything--that's just the way it is. I prefer singing.

I also prefer instruments, or techno-type synths.

No offense intended, but you should really do more exploring of music as your distaste of rap is unfounded. There are a lot of rap bands that play with a full ensemble. RZA from Wu-Tang is the mian front man, rapper and is also a pianist, and most rappers trave with a live band. Jay-Z, Eminem Mos Def all use a live band on stage and while recording. As for voices, there's a plethora of voices and in rap a lot of rappers have mastered their lyrical flow that makes the spoken word sound like singing.

[Volus Warlord]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

android654 wrote...

Doesn't deny the fact that his driving force was for vengeance even at the cost of Mercede's well being.

Which would be?

I'm a lyricist. I like singing. All the bands I regularly listen to have good to amazing voices, imo of course. There's little to no singing in rap, just talking. Now, I'm not trying to slam it or anything--that's just the way it is. I prefer singing.

I also prefer instruments, or techno-type synths.

So you're about the vocalists.. hmm a couple of my favorites:

Dio

Jack Black WARNING: Innovative Use of Guitars

[android654]

Hellbound555 wrote...

So the main problem with music today is how talent is subverted by over-saturation and how image and a please-everybody attitude towards marketing is undermining this generation's next great musical innovation for a disillusioned audience.....Sounds eerily familiar.

Personally I just listen to what I like, in the end, I think thats what best for everybody. Let the chips fall where they may.

I would agree with you, but there's an unfortunate truth to that. If musicians have to transform themselves into something else in order to survive as a musician, the integrity of thier work is compromised by the process and the culture in which they have to compete.

[Homebound]

android654 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

So the main problem with music today is how talent is subverted by over-saturation and how image and a please-everybody attitude towards marketing is undermining this generation's next great musical innovation for a disillusioned audience.....Sounds eerily familiar.

Personally I just listen to what I like, in the end, I think thats what best for everybody. Let the chips fall where they may.

I would agree with you, but there's an unfortunate truth to that. If musicians have to transform themselves into something else in order to survive as a musician, the integrity of thier work is compromised by the process and the culture in which they have to compete.

Theres a difference between selling out and evolution. Look at Our Lady Peace for example. The singer spent years perfecting his "sound" to what it is today. that involved a lot of changing, a lot of mistakes, and in the end, growth was the payoff.
Being better isn't the same as submitting to a formula.

[android654]

Hellbound555 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

So the main problem with music today is how talent is subverted by over-saturation and how image and a please-everybody attitude towards marketing is undermining this generation's next great musical innovation for a disillusioned audience.....Sounds eerily familiar.

Personally I just listen to what I like, in the end, I think thats what best for everybody. Let the chips fall where they may.

I would agree with you, but there's an unfortunate truth to that. If musicians have to transform themselves into something else in order to survive as a musician, the integrity of thier work is compromised by the process and the culture in which they have to compete.

Theres a difference between selling out and evolution. Look at Our Lady Peace for example. The singer spent years perfecting his "sound" to what it is today. that involved a lot of changing, a lot of mistakes, and in the end, growth was the payoff.
Being better isn't the same as submitting to a formula.

But what was the end result? In this thread you and I are probably the only ones that know OLP. Yes they stuck to perfecting their craft, but the also still have play dive bars and at Barnes & Noble in order to get some sort of revenue. The point Billy was making in the video was that the 90's was the last time the industry was willing to put up with musicians who made music for music's sake. Once they figured out they could manufacture bands and groups (Sorry Linkin Park fans, but those guys all met in a studio board room, they didn't orignally start working together) they found a way to make music they could turn into a product.

[Homebound]

Vocals? I'll GIVE you VOCALS!!

[Rockworm503]

I didn't even know Our Lady Peace was still around.

[android654]

Rockworm503 wrote...

I didn't even know Our Lady Peace was still around.

LMFAO! My point exactly.

Corgan was saying if people want to be successful musicians, they have to be willing to play the game that they don't want to play, and w**re themselves out in order to survive in the business. I can't tell you the number of bands and musicians I love dearly that still play at record stores (the three of them that are still open) and coffee shops but still manage to put out albums. Their albums I buy, and have a few on pre-order that come out in a few weeks.

Unfortunately, quality is no longer enough for the "music fans."

Modifié par android654, 08 mai 2012 - 03:24 .

[Homebound]

android654 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

So the main problem with music today is how talent is subverted by over-saturation and how image and a please-everybody attitude towards marketing is undermining this generation's next great musical innovation for a disillusioned audience.....Sounds eerily familiar.

Personally I just listen to what I like, in the end, I think thats what best for everybody. Let the chips fall where they may.

I would agree with you, but there's an unfortunate truth to that. If musicians have to transform themselves into something else in order to survive as a musician, the integrity of thier work is compromised by the process and the culture in which they have to compete.

Theres a difference between selling out and evolution. Look at Our Lady Peace for example. The singer spent years perfecting his "sound" to what it is today. that involved a lot of changing, a lot of mistakes, and in the end, growth was the payoff.
Being better isn't the same as submitting to a formula.

But what was the end result? In this thread you and I are probably the only ones that know OLP. Yes they stuck to perfecting their craft, but the also still have play dive bars and at Barnes & Noble in order to get some sort of revenue. The point Billy was making in the video was that the 90's was the last time the industry was willing to put up with musicians who made music for music's sake. Once they figured out they could manufacture bands and groups (Sorry Linkin Park fans, but those guys all met in a studio board room, they didn't orignally start working together) they found a way to make music they could turn into a product.

The downside is now they have a disillusioned audience who are wary of ANYTHING music nowadays. They cut corners and made sacrifices to make BIG, SHORT-TERM gains, now we're in the crapper we see music is in today.

[Rockworm503]

How do you sale your music to people who have decided everything this decade is crap?
How can you make it anywhere when no one is willing to even give you a chance?

[Homebound]

Rockworm503 wrote...

How do you sale your music to people who have decided everything this decade is crap?
How can you make it anywhere when no one is willing to even give you a chance?

You stop trying and do it for yourself.

[Rockworm503]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

How do you sale your music to people who have decided everything this decade is crap?
How can you make it anywhere when no one is willing to even give you a chance?

You stop trying and do it for yourself.

And in a perfect world that would feed you.