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[android654]

Here's a prime example of what I mean.

In 2007 Rolling Stone named Kaki King the number 1 Rock God of our generation and placed her on the cover with an issue practically dedicated to her ability. Let me repeat that again, Rolling Stone which is seen as a pillar of covering any and all things relevant to music called this woman the Goddess of the guitar and was back by a lot of musicians in the issue She's been compared to Keith Richard and Jimi Hendrix, so her talent is held in high regard by musicians all over. Fast forward a year, and where is she? She's playing in a cafe in Manchester. Not a sold out arena, or even an auditorium, but about a dozen and a half people in a cafe.

Here's the performance, which is amazing, even if the quality isn't
Kaki King- Gay Sons of Lesbian Mothers[/quote]

in a way I suppose it's better this way. The music I love isn't tainted by a need to appeal to the masses.


[quote]Rockworm503 wrote...

How do you sale your music to people who have decided everything this decade is crap?
How can you make it anywhere when no one is willing to even give you a chance?[/quote]

That's the unfortunate truth. Then again, I don;t see how a lot of musicians would think Nicki Minaj and Bieber fans would give anything that took more than an afternoon to construct a chance.

[Vaeliorin]

android654 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...
I didn't even know Our Lady Peace was still around.

LMFAO! My point exactly.

Corgan was saying if people want to be successful musicians, they have to be willing to play the game that they don't want to play, and w**re themselves out in order to survive in the business. I can't tell you the number of bands and musicians I love dearly that still play at record stores (the three of them that are still open) and coffee shops but still manage to put out albums. Their albums I buy, and have a few on pre-order that come out in a few weeks.

Unfortunately, quality is no longer enough for the "music fans."

I think part of the problem is that it used to be possible to be a passive consumer of music and still find quality, whereas nowadays it seems you have to search it out.  The music that reaches people through the traditional channels (radio and "music" channels when they used to actually have music on them) is the industry garbage, instead of music made by actual artists and musicians.  Yes, you might very rarely find someone good through these, but they're often one-hit wonder types, and if you're not the sort to go actively looking for music (I'm not talking just buying CDs, but going on music-related dicussion sites, band sites, etc.) then they'll just sort of fade out of your notice.

[Rockworm503]

On the other hand Rolling Stones likes to deconstruct everything to the point where its not music but scientific study. If you don't meet their criteria your automatically bad.
The Black Keys spent more than 10 years unknwown the radio station here just started playing them.
WTF why?
I hate that.

[android654]

Rockworm503 wrote...

On the other hand Rolling Stones likes to deconstruct everything to the point where its not music but scientific study. If you don't meet their criteria your automatically bad.
The Black Keys spent more than 10 years unknwown the radio station here just started playing them.
WTF why?
I hate that.

In their defense the Black Keys are very inventive, and Rolling Stone has served it's purpose in the past. Either way it's not the case with Kaki King. She really is the god of the Guitar. She has something like 10 EPs and LPs and has been playing the guitar since she was a child. She's essentially to the guitar what Chopin was to the piano or Yoyo Ma is to the Cello. She's really is something special, and that's coming from someone who is extremely picky about what they will and will not listen to. But my point is she got noteriety for her talent in music, but the industry couldn't find a way to sell her to the masses so she's left to her own devices to make her music.

[spirosz]

That reminds me of Buckethead, even though he played for GNR for a bit, he went back to doing what he was originally doing. Though, I miss him playing live with Pinchface or Brain from Primus, he's been playing live with backtracks from an Ipod or something.

Modifié par spiros9110, 08 mai 2012 - 03:42 .

[slimgrin]

Most of the bad trends we see today started with the Beetles. As for devaluation of artistic commodity, that's tied to the WEB, and as far as I'm concerned, it's a good thing.

[android654]

slimgrin wrote...

Most of the bad trends we see today started with the Beetles. As for devaluation of artistic commodity, that's tied to the WEB, and as far as I'm concerned, it's a good thing.

That's a good point. A lot people are unaware of the poison "celebrity" has been to art in the 20th century. If you do a little history, it becomes obvious that John Lenon became disgusted with it close to the end of his life. It makes the audience idolize the person with no consideration as to why the person is there in the first place.

[spirosz]

I don't think Thomas Newman has won anything for his scores at the Grammy/Academy Awards or anything, but I believe he's one of the best composers out there, but more people tend to know John Williams or Hans Zimmer, which are both excellent mind you, I just prefer Thomas' work. He wrote the score for Green Mile, The Shawshank Redemption, American Beauty, and many more. He has a really unique tone when it comes to how he likes to express particular scenes - The part at 56 seconds.

Edit: Can't believe I wrote Oscars, rofl.  

Modifié par spiros9110, 08 mai 2012 - 03:50 .

[Funkcase]

Music like everything else creative is subjective, there's always amazing stuff to be found, just dont stick to watching it on tv, or bothering with most charts. Most people just enjoy music but only to the extent of a catchy chorus or something they can dance to (ever wonder why charts are full of cheesy music like Lady Gaga?) most do not care about depth in their music. Thankfully the interent is a wonderfull thing that helps people looking for something more find it all over the world. There is more music now than ever thanks to the internet, that makes alot more bad music, but it also brings alot of new unique artists who now have a easier way of getting heard. With artists like Beach house, Arcade fire, The Antlers, Radiohead and Burial, I think the state of the music industry is just fine.

Modifié par Funkcase, 08 mai 2012 - 07:36 .

[hangmans tree]

Nah, music is fine and well... I just discovered Animals as Leaders.

Marvelous!
No to mention other stuff like math and prog metal, metalcore that I'm really into right now... it really depends on what you are into.

But the mainstream madia, yeah, its pretty much crap I avoid like black death

Modifié par hangmans tree, 08 mai 2012 - 12:00 .

[Mylia Stenetch]

Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...

Keep up the good work, I want to see music is dead and then start my reforms!

In 2012 Pop is sh*t, Jazz is dead, Rap is dirt and Metal is madness as it always has been.

*listening to Johannes Brahms*

Metal music went to were it should be (at least the good stuff) indie/underground. If you are looking at metalcore or mainstream "metal" most people (like me) shrug it off as useless.

I have had a lot of good run on classic metal music from the 70/80's and recent stuff for local bands or indie joints which show actual talent. The only exception to this so far is Mastodon in the Western World which are awesome.

[Mylia Stenetch]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Kind of like someone I know was telling me about a group called GWAR who's schtick is basically to be offensive: they have fake ****** and vomit poured onto the crowd at their concerts.

I will not deny being at some GWAR concerts and getting fake extrements spewed over me and the crowd around me. They are a fine example of metal which is heavy, good, and just fun. Nothing to take seriously and just full of tounge and cheek awesomeness.

[Mylia Stenetch]

android654 wrote...
Also, Gwar's schtick is old. In victorian age Europe there was a fascination with obscene theater. Things like actual autopsies performed for an audience. The grotesue has always had a market interested in it. As for GWAR... well, it takes more than a goofy costume to make your music good. Their songs are about basically nothing, and that's why they suck. Not because they have people have people performing sex acts on stage covered in blood.

That is why GWAR has lasted 20+ years cause their schtick is old. Their most recent albums are actually well done musically and lyrics are funny and crisp. Also their stories did have some sense to them about the stories of their characters and what they do and funny exploits.

[android654]

Here's a little ray of sunshine of what I considered a dark topic.

Ben Folds Five Is working on a new album, and much like game developers they're reaching out to their loyal fans and hopefully new ones to help finance their studio so they can produce a new album.

[quote]Ben Folds Five is about to release their first album together in 12 years, but this time, they are going to be marketing and distributing this album in a new way. Pledge Music is an online site for artists that functions much like Kickstarter: Artists ask for a dollar amount, and fans and investors pledge money to help the project get funded. Ben Folds Five’s project just launched, and immediately passed its goal. As of this morning, it’s at 165% of its target. But you can still get in on the action, with a pledge minimum of $10 that will get you the digital download of the album. $15 will get you the CD, $27 a tour t-shirt with the download, $35 will get autographed vinyl (that’s going quickly, so hurry), and so on up to $62 for the signed vinyl, t-shirt, and download. Plus, those who pledge earn the title of BFF VP of Promotions. Their names will be incorporated in the album art. That’s one way to help fans feel part of the whole music making process.[/quote]

Read The Entire Article Here[/quote]

[GodWood]

In modern times pop music has always been consistently pretty ****. So, do what has always been done, and seek out the independant, underground stuff that's in it to make music and not simply just trying to appeal to the masses.

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Here's a reality check, I'm f*cked up. If I made music about what I felt, it'd be about cutting my parents into small pieces and doing various other, violent, mutilative things to them. They're pretty much the source of all the emotional anguish I've struggled with in my life.

I find that such passion and anger has far greater emotional resonance then just a standard superficial love song.