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[Chromie]

 TOR loses 400,000 subscribers.

[Maverick827]

Skelter192 wrote...

 TOR loses 400,000 subscribers.

It's important to note that those figures are from March, which is before patch 1.2, before free months, and before the game was launched in 38 new countries.  It is very unlikely that the current, instantaneous numbers are 1.3 million.

It's also important to note that the free month given out will not be reflected on any quarterly report.  They happened early in Q1 2012 and will expire well before the end of said quarter.  If numbers from the free month are reflected, they will be only in retained subscriptions.

Finally, 1.3 million is still the second most popular MMO in North America, and probably third in the world (depends on how Aion is still doing, not sure there), and the retention rate this far in is better than most.

[Morroian]

Maverick827 wrote...

It's important to note that those figures are from March, which is before patch 1.2, before free months, and before the game was launched in 38 new countries.  It is very unlikely that the current, instantaneous numbers are 1.3 million.

Yes there was a noticeable increase in the population with 1.2.

[Aerevane]

TOR has no problems that can not be overcome if BioWare responds well. In that I find it lacking. I've read someone writing that a lot of servers are populated; well, not where I logged into. I've been to three servers now and only the last one had a reasonable population (EU: RP, RP and last one was RP-PVP). I love doing instances; I play for the group content, getting great looking gear and generally swagging around my gear E-peen. It's why I play an MMO. I felt that TOR failed in providing me that experience.

Perhaps the game is not catering to people such as me. Could be; but considering the amount of people that were in my guild and that just left, I'd say I'm not the only one. Group content is unplayable on a lot of servers. I recently went back to WoW (EU: Defias Brotherhood) and the server still felt very, very vibrant. The sheer amount of people in Ogrimmar was staggering. I want TOR to succeed, I want to go back and pick up my level 37 Operative. But then I want to do the Flashpoints as well. I've spent hours in the fleet looking for a group for FP's like Boarding Party and the Taral V thingies. In the end that broke me up. There's just no one willing to do them.

[LTD]

Morroian wrote...


Yes there was a noticeable increase in the population with 1.2.

I'm not sure if this is an accurate thing to say. When a proper content patch gets released, people with active subs are online more than usually. It doesn't mean hordes of new players are necessarily  rushing in to check a patch.
I'm wondering if TOR has more than million players once the free month EA gave runs out.

I just tried Warhammer Online for first time ever. Grand 1st impression. Pleasant graphics, awesome UI  and an engine that runs some 25 vs 25 outdoors PvP fights like an angel. RvR there reminds me of old Vanilla WoW's version of AV. This is a very good thing. Most battlegrounds, warzones and suches in most MMOs feel like e-sports events rather than battles. Been missing something that feels like an actual WAR. Front clashing another. Good times.  Rawr.

Modifié par LTD, 07 mai 2012 - 09:37 .

[fixit6]

This is just the beginning.

Out of 30 odd years of being an MMO addict, I can safely say SWToR has to be the biggest let down/rip off since AoC for me.

GW2 will put the nail in the coffin.

F2P model by end of year incoming.

Modifié par fixit6, 07 mai 2012 - 09:51 .

[LTD]

fixit6 wrote...



F2P model by end of year incoming.

I wish. It would mean EA is finally starting to see the potential in such model. Which, in turn would mean few half dead, genuinely good MMos under EA might get some fresh life in them. Warhammer comes to mind.

[Maverick827]

fixit6 wrote...

This is just the beginning.

Out of 30 odd years of being an MMO addict, I can safely say SWToR has to be the biggest let down/rip off since AoC for me.

GW2 will put the nail in the coffin.

F2P model by end of year incoming.

Have fun hyping GW2 and then being utterly disappoitned by your chronic unrealistic expectations.

Honestly, GW2 was the biggest let down for me so far.  I'm going to give it more beta weekends, but that initial impression was just harsh.

[Morroian]

fixit6 wrote...

This is just the beginning.

Out of 30 odd years of being an MMO addict, I can safely say SWToR has to be the biggest let down/rip off since AoC for me.

In what way is it a rip off?

[Chromie]

Morroian wrote...

fixit6 wrote...

This is just the beginning.

Out of 30 odd years of being an MMO addict, I can safely say SWToR has to be the biggest let down/rip off since AoC for me.

In what way is it a rip off?

Well it doesn't really do anything to improve on the WoW formula the way WoW improved on the EQ formula. Bad writing and voice acting can only go so far.

[Maverick827]

Skelter192 wrote...

Well it doesn't really do anything to improve on the WoW formula the way WoW improved on the EQ formula. Bad writing and voice acting can only go so far.

The voice acting is great, and extremely consitent.  I can think of maybe two instances of voice acting that I considered bad.  The writing is, understandably, less focus and defined than single player games, but it's leages ahead of anything other MMO.

That in and of itself is improving on the WoW formula.

[Chromie]

Maverick827 wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

Well it doesn't really do anything to improve on the WoW formula the way WoW improved on the EQ formula. Bad writing and voice acting can only go so far.

The voice acting is great, and extremely consitent.  I can think of maybe two instances of voice acting that I considered bad.  The writing is, understandably, less focus and defined than single player games, but it's leages ahead of anything other MMO.

That in and of itself is improving on the WoW formula.

I meant the writing was bad and my point was that once you're done with all that it's over you are left with doing the exact same thing. You can't assume everyone is going to do all the quests and I myself completed every single quest from Korriban to Correlia Empire side. The second time around I just spacebar through it since the choices provide nothing.

It may be enough for you but some people were looking for something WoW couldn't provide but I didn't find it in TOR.

[Maverick827]

Skelter192 wrote...

I meant the writing was bad and my point was that once you're done with all that it's over you are left with doing the exact same thing. You can't assume everyone is going to do all the quests and I myself completed every single quest from Korriban to Correlia Empire side. The second time around I just spacebar through it since the choices provide nothing.

It may be enough for you but some people were looking for something WoW couldn't provide but I didn't find it in TOR.

Which is fine.  You didn't find it.  Many did.

SWTOR was made for BioWare fans who play through Dragon Age and Mass Effect many times each.  If you're turned off by replaying through the same voice acted stories, perhaps these aren't the forums nor are these the developers you're looking for.

[Chromie]

Maverick827 wrote...Which is fine.  You didn't find it.  Many did.

SWTOR was made for BioWare fans who play through Dragon Age and Mass Effect many times each.  If you're turned off by replaying through the same voice acted stories, perhaps these aren't the forums nor are these the developers you're looking for.

Oh please. I've played every single Bioware game I know full well what I was getting into. Just because I don't absolutely love everything Bioware puts out does't mean you should be on BSN and I shouldn't.

Fyi I've spent well over a thousand hours on DA:O, ME1&2, BG and Kotor. 

[Costin_Razvan]

Which is fine. You didn't find it. Many did.

SWTOR was made for BioWare fans who play through Dragon Age and Mass Effect many times each. If you're turned off by replaying through the same voice acted stories, perhaps these aren't the forums nor are these the developers you're looking for

I've played DA:O over 5 times. DA:A 3 times. DA2 2 times. ME1 4 times, ME2 15+ times ( I lost count ) and ME3 2 times.

I've literally spent over 2.000 hours of my life playing these games. I've spent years here on these forums talking plot points of DA:O here and I've also had over 400 DAYS played in WoW, as in the actual amount of time I spent inside the game, from where TOR copied it's combat system in it's entirety.

And I think TOR is ****.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 08 mai 2012 - 04:44 .

[Elhanan]

Skelter192 wrote...

I meant the writing was bad and my point was that once you're done with all that it's over you are left with doing the exact same thing. You can't assume everyone is going to do all the quests and I myself completed every single quest from Korriban to Correlia Empire side. The second time around I just spacebar through it since the choices provide nothing.

It may be enough for you but some people were looking for something WoW couldn't provide but I didn't find it in TOR.

And while you may be disappointed, this insight may not be reflected in the remaining 1.3 million other Players; some of which do not have to speed thru spacebar dialogue because the choices do matter.

While using one's own opinion as the bar for everyone's standard may seem like a good idea, it ain't....

Modifié par Elhanan, 08 mai 2012 - 04:44 .

[Maverick827]

Skelter192 wrote...

Oh please. I've played every single Bioware game I know full well what I was getting into. Just because I don't absolutely love everything Bioware puts out does't mean you should be on BSN and I shouldn't.

Fyi I've spent well over a thousand hours on DA:O, ME1&2, BG and Kotor. 

Oh, I was supposed to assume that something else bothered you about SWTOR and not the thing that you said (repeating the same content) bothered you.  Alright.

[UnstableMongoose]

Skelter192 wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...Which is fine.  You didn't find it.  Many did.

SWTOR was made for BioWare fans who play through Dragon Age and Mass Effect many times each.  If you're turned off by replaying through the same voice acted stories, perhaps these aren't the forums nor are these the developers you're looking for.

Oh please. I've played every single Bioware game I know full well what I was getting into. Just because I don't absolutely love everything Bioware puts out does't mean you should be on BSN and I shouldn't.

Fyi I've spent well over a thousand hours on DA:O, ME1&2, BG and Kotor. 

Please lay off of Skelter, and never mention the "hardcore fans" argument ever again. This is beaten to death by the unimaginative people of both sides of every single debate on these boards. It deserves to go in a hole and die.

[fixit6]

Morroian wrote...
In what way is it a rip off?

200 bucks for CE + 6 months sub to play a broken, bug filled game with lots of empty and broken promises. Every patch is a disaster and breaks/wrecks more things than it actually fixes. They also patch at a snails speed. Oh and in typical BW fashion they totally ignore their users and remain utterly silent. That is all telling. W/e.
 
1-49 was decent, but after that there is nothing left but a crappy WoW clone that is inferior in every way. Well not a total clone, it isn't really an MMO: instanced heavy game cus they know the engine sucks and can't handle it.

I will admit I was a fan boy, up until I hit lvl cap that is.

Talk about wrecking the SW IP in one fell swoop.

As to comment about bein disappointed with GW2...I had more fun in two days play in the BWE than I ever did in ToR. And ya know best part is? I won't have to pay 15 bucks a month. Also like to point out that GW2 engine is actually relevant instead of ToR's 10 year old PoS engine that tanks past 25 people on screen. I participated in a 100+ player event in GW2 BWE end, it was choppy at times but it still played REALLY well once I dropped settings a bit.

Modifié par fixit6, 08 mai 2012 - 05:53 .

[TheBlackBaron]

fixit6 wrote...

This is just the beginning.

Out of 30 odd years of being an MMO addict, I can safely say SWToR has to be the biggest let down/rip off since AoC for me.

GW2 will put the nail in the coffin.

F2P model by end of year incoming.

You know, I remember hearing for what seemed like -years- how Warhammer Online was going to kill WoW. 

In my experience, people who pump up one MMO as killing another - any other, not necessarily WoW - are setting themselves up for massive dissappointment. There is no Internet hype machine quite like the ones that surround the Next Big MMO, whatever that happens to be at the time, and GW2 is just another in a long line of pretenders to the throne. 

(And no, I've not bought TOR, and haven't played WoW for years, so you can just keep that "you're biased" card in your deck)

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 08 mai 2012 - 05:51 .

[Elhanan]

fixit6 wrote...

200 bucks for CE + 6 months sub to play a broken, bug filled game with lots of empty and broken promises. Every patch is a disaster and breaks/wrecks more things than it actually fixes. They also patch at a snails speed. Oh and in typical BW fashion they totally ignore their users and remain utterly silent. That is all telling. W/e.
 
1-49 was decent, but after that there is nothing left but a crappy WoW clone that is inferior in every way. Well not a total clone, it isn't really an MMO: instanced heavy game cus they know the engine sucks and can't handle it.

I will admit I was a fan boy, up until I hit lvl cap that is.

Talk about wrecking the SW IP in one fell swoop.

As to comment about bein disappointed with GW2...I had more fun in two days play in the BWE than I ever did in ToR. And ya know best part is? I won't have to pay 15 bucks a month. Also like to point out that GW2 engine is actually relevant instead of ToR's 10 year old PoS engine that tanks past 25 people on screen. I participated in a 100+ player event in GW2 BWE end, it was choppy at times but it still played REALLY well once I dropped settings a bit.

Sorry you were forced to purchase the CE; must have been terrible to get that extra stuff.....

1-49 is still fun for the Alts, and at least I have found plenty to do at 50th by exploring the Companion stories, FP's, Crew Skills, etc. But of course, this and the full VO were all done by other MMO's, so it is easy to see why some would get tired so quickly. And while I have hit a bug or two myself, I find the swift help in solving issues refreshing. Guess some prefer to complain.

Amyway, have fun away until you don't!

[xsdob]

Did something happen between now and yesterday? Yesterday the prices for swtor were 20 dollars off, now there back to normal.

[UnstableMongoose]

xsdob wrote...

Did something happen between now and yesterday? Yesterday the prices for swtor were 20 dollars off, now there back to normal.

Temporary sale. Major retailers like Amazon and Origin are now trying to follow Steam in those regards, now that they've figured out that temporarily slashing the price of an item can make them a profit. That's my best guess, anyway.

Modifié par UnstableMongoose, 08 mai 2012 - 07:07 .

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...
And while you may be disappointed, this insight may not be reflected in the remaining 1.3 million other Players; some of which do not have to speed thru spacebar dialogue because the choices do matter. 

I've spaced through repeated dialogue ok and choices don't matter in the grand scheme of things. You'd think in a MMO space Bioware could have had the freedom to try something but they didn't.

Elhanan wrote...

While using one's own opinion as the bar for everyone's standard may seem like a good idea, it ain't....

I was talking for myself I did say "some" which obviously isn't everyone and 400K subscriptions cancelled definitely means people aren't happy but I guess you take issue to anyone who doesn't see Bioware as perfect.

[Elhanan]

xsdob wrote...

Did something happen between now and yesterday? Yesterday the prices for swtor were 20 dollars off, now there back to normal.

It went on sale this past wknd due to SW Day being on May 4th.