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[Morroian]

fixit6 wrote...

Morroian wrote...
In what way is it a rip off?

200 bucks for CE + 6 months sub to play a broken, bug filled game with lots of empty and broken promises. Every patch is a disaster and breaks/wrecks more things than it actually fixes.

Unless you didn't get something you were promised in the CE then you chose to pay for it so not a rip off. In my experience playing since the early access, its not broken and while it has bugs none are game breaking. Patch 1.2 was a success, the worst thing about it was the lack of rewards for losing sides in warzones but that was quickly fixed, any bleating about classes being nerfed is just that. If you don't like the end game content and can't do the ops then create a different toon, that is what the game was focussed on.  

[Elhanan]

Skelter192 wrote...

I've spaced through repeated dialogue ok and choices don't matter in the grand scheme of things. You'd think in a MMO space Bioware could have had the freedom to try something but they didn't.

I was talking for myself I did say "some" which obviously isn't everyone and 400K subscriptions cancelled definitely means people aren't happy but I guess you take issue to anyone who doesn't see Bioware as perfect.

Again, you skip dialogue that others may believe is more impotant to telling the story. Not eveyone plays PvP, not everyone is into grouping, not everyone is into Crafting. Etc. Some actually like the stories being told. Surprise!

Still leaves 1.3 million Players that may differ in opinion. And from what some others have posted, other MMO's have lost greater numbers and seem to survive.

Bias blinds....

[Pedrak]

I have no idea of whether it's sinking or not; if it is... serves them right for not doing a proper KOTOR 3.

Modifié par Pedrak, 08 mai 2012 - 11:38 .

[Maverick827]

Pedrak wrote...

I have no idea of whether it's sinking or not; if it is... serves them right for not doing a proper KOTOR 3.

You didn't get your way so you hope the game fails and hundreds of people get laid off?

[Savber100]

Is it wrong that I secretly hope that TOR will fail so that it can go F2P?

[Elhanan]

Savber100 wrote...

Is it wrong that I secretly hope that TOR will fail so that it can go F2P?

Yes; cause F2P seems to be a flawed economic system, too. 
 
Personally, am hoping that success will allow a change to the current P2P system in some way, but F2P or Pay to Win as some call it does not appear to be positive. And wanting projects to fail seems petty. IMO.

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Is it wrong that I secretly hope that TOR will fail so that it can go F2P?

Yes; cause F2P seems to be a flawed economic system, too. 

Guild Wars would like a word with you.

Thought it wasn't strictly F2P

[Mylia Stenetch]

You mean a MMO comes out million+ (millions to possibly) join up for a free month and takes some extra 3 months - 1 year for a sub to play with friends and try something new, then leave to a new MMO.

That is the cycle for MMOs the most you will get that will stay currently subbed is at max 1 million in the current environment, and this is for large IP based games. Yes WoW did it but as a lot of people I know in the MMO world would say WoW is the exception to most MMOs.

Most companies who push out an MMO their main goal is to replenish costs for the MMO in the first month with sales of boxes and the first big push of subs. After that they can coast on sub based system for 6 months - 1 year, then they plan the FTP-hybrid-sub based model to get more people back in for free to play pushing up server pops and able to squeak in more money they might of had before bring in more profits.

[Elhanan]

Skelter192 wrote...

Guild Wars would like a word with you.

Thought it wasn't strictly F2P

I said flawed; not failed. There are plenty of others posting of the detriments of said plan.

From my thread post at SWTOR:

Personally, I do not care for either model, and admit to having little economic background in which to provide a better solution. However, here are some articles that discuss such things that are by those with more knowledge in the matter; maybe some others will find them useful and informative

http://lsvp.wordpres....virtual-goods/

http://www.gamasutra....s_fairness.php

http://www.gamasutra....os_faucets.php

http://www.gamasutra....freetoplay.php

Again, I dislike the two options mentioned (ie; P2P and F2P); simply am hoping for another that will allow me to continue play here beyond my current sub or two.

Silver lining in those that are leaving: the Hater's departing will not be missed.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Skelter192 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Is it wrong that I secretly hope that TOR will fail so that it can go F2P?

Yes; cause F2P seems to be a flawed economic system, too. 

Guild Wars would like a word with you.

Thought it wasn't strictly F2P

DDO, LoTR, Star Trek, Champions Online, CoH and Anarchy Online also would like to say hello.

[Elhanan]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

DDO, LoTR, Star Trek, Champions Online, CoH and Anarchy Online also would like to say hello.

No need; do not play them, as I see frequent complaints on such F2P platforms. I seek a better entrance into MMO play; not another reason to exit.

Modifié par Elhanan, 08 mai 2012 - 02:25 .

[Mylia Stenetch]

Elhanan wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

DDO, LoTR, Star Trek, Champions Online, CoH and Anarchy Online also would like to say hello.

No need; do not play them, as I see frequent complaints on such F2P platforms. I seek a better entrance into MMO play; not another reason to exit.

Then you might as well quit MMOs since they are either going to by Hybrid F2P-Sub or sub based. Just to show I am not being an ass I did quit the MMO I was playing cause I just got sick and tired of the models of either and I have bounced around a lot with these.

The best model you will get that could be beneficail is GW, but that is still a stretch.

[Chromie]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

DDO, LoTR, Star Trek, Champions Online, CoH and Anarchy Online also would like to say hello.

No need; do not play them, as I see frequent complaints on such F2P platforms. I seek a better entrance into MMO play; not another reason to exit.

Then you might as well quit MMOs since they are either going to by Hybrid F2P-Sub or sub based. Just to show I am not being an ass I did quit the MMO I was playing cause I just got sick and tired of the models of either and I have bounced around a lot with these.

The best model you will get that could be beneficail is GW, but that is still a stretch.

Don't waste your breath 
Elhanan is very close minded.

[Elhanan]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Then you might as well quit MMOs since they are either going to by Hybrid F2P-Sub or sub based. Just to show I am not being an ass I did quit the MMO I was playing cause I just got sick and tired of the models of either and I have bounced around a lot with these.

The best model you will get that could be beneficail is GW, but that is still a stretch.

The articles I posted above look at economic issues, and attempt to inform and seek better answers. But after TOR, I probably will not play MMO's as too many focus on PvP; not story and environment. IMO.

[Elhanan]

Skelter192 wrote...

Don't waste your breath 
Elhanan is very close minded.

Perhaps; perhaps not. But at least I am accused of having one....

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Then you might as well quit MMOs since they are either going to by Hybrid F2P-Sub or sub based. Just to show I am not being an ass I did quit the MMO I was playing cause I just got sick and tired of the models of either and I have bounced around a lot with these.

The best model you will get that could be beneficail is GW, but that is still a stretch.

The articles I posted above look at economic issues, and attempt to inform and seek better answers. But after TOR, I probably will not play MMO's as too many focus on PvP; not story and environment. IMO.

Clearly you haven't bothered looking up Secret World which has the writer from Dreamfall and The Longest Journey on board (oh my!) and apparently their environment design is amazing and with the open beta this weekend I can't wait to see. 

And you obviously haven't tried WoW because they've been throwing story into everything now. If you think an MMO is focusing on pvp to much then you haven't played a true sandbox MMO like Eve Online. Yes there is a ton of pvp in the game but in a sandbox the community dictates what it wants to do.

Elhanan wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

Don't waste your breath 
Elhanan is very close minded.

Perhaps; perhaps not. But at least I am accused of having one....

 

*bravo* I am speechless. /sarcasm

Modifié par Skelter192, 08 mai 2012 - 02:53 .

[Mylia Stenetch]

Skelter192 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Then you might as well quit MMOs since they are either going to by Hybrid F2P-Sub or sub based. Just to show I am not being an ass I did quit the MMO I was playing cause I just got sick and tired of the models of either and I have bounced around a lot with these.

The best model you will get that could be beneficail is GW, but that is still a stretch.

The articles I posted above look at economic issues, and attempt to inform and seek better answers. But after TOR, I probably will not play MMO's as too many focus on PvP; not story and environment. IMO.

Clearly you haven't bothered looking up Secret World which has the writer from Dreamfall and The Longest Journey on board (oh my!) and apparently their environment design is amazing and with the open beta this weekend I can't wait to see. 

And you obviously haven't tried WoW because they've been throwing story into everything now. If you think an MMO is focusing on pvp to much then you haven't played a true sandbox MMO like Eve Online. Yes there is a ton of pvp in the game but in a sandbox the community dictates what it wants to do.

I will also add my favorite City of Heroes. It was originally designed as a story-driven MMO which after fan-demand added in PvP. There is a lot of lore and storylines in the game written by the dev team. Also they have developed a base for players to write their own story arcs so others can play them.

Skelter192 wrote...

Don't waste your breath 
Elhanan is very close minded.

 

Always love a challenge.

Modifié par Mylia Stenetch, 08 mai 2012 - 02:53 .

[Elhanan]

Skelter192 wrote...
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Clearly you haven't bothered looking up Secret World which has the writer from Dreamfall and The Longest Journey on board (oh my!) and apparently their environment design is amazing and with the open beta this weekend I can't wait to see. 

And you obviously haven't tried WoW because they've been throwing story into everything now. If you think an MMO is focusing on pvp to much then you haven't played a true sandbox MMO like Eve Online. Yes there is a ton of pvp in the game but in a sandbox the community dictates what it wants to do.

Clearly. Guess the part of SWTOR being the only MMO for me is hard for some to grasp, though the same like to post of it constantly.

Thus far, SWTOR is the only one I have found worth my time and funds. Do not have to play in the steet to know that it is likely to end poorly. And popular demand is not always so alluring to me; not into Panda's, Disco, or karaoke.

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...

Clearly. Guess the part of SWTOR being the only MMO for me is hard for some to grasp, though the same like to post of it constantly.

My point being you make these decision based on what? Something someone else said and not even bother trying them? DA2 got a lot of flak and yet you like it. 

As for funds there are free to play MMO's you not trying them isn't my concern and  TOR wasn't the first to try having story in an MMO.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Skelter192 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Clearly. Guess the part of SWTOR being the only MMO for me is hard for some to grasp, though the same like to post of it constantly.

My point being you make these decision based on what? Something someone else said and not even bother trying them? DA2 got a lot of flak and yet you like it. 

As for funds there are free to play MMO's you not trying them isn't my concern and  TOR wasn't the first to try having story in an MMO.

No I belive the first one (that hit it big for me) was Everquest, but Ultima (on of them) was the first MMO and it was story driven. There are only a few MMOs that are PVP driven, most that are big around here are not really, the only one I can really think of is Warhammer Online.

[Elhanan]

Skelter192 wrote...

My point being you make these decision based on what? Something someone else said and not even bother trying them? DA2 got a lot of flak and yet you like it. 

As for funds there are free to play MMO's you not trying them isn't my concern and  TOR wasn't the first to try having story in an MMO.

Feedback from others is used, as well as info gleaned elsewhere. But I do not have to try ballet to know that I would not enjoy it.

But you are correct that complaints do not always deter me, as one needs to consider the source of such info.

[Jestina]

MMO's are just a money sink that i'm not at all interested in. Another SW single player RPG, now that might get my interest.

[Elhanan]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

No I belive the first one (that hit it big for me) was Everquest, but Ultima (on of them) was the first MMO and it was story driven. There are only a few MMOs that are PVP driven, most that are big around here are not really, the only one I can really think of is Warhammer Online.

From what I recall, UO, EQ, and Asheron's Call were the three I looked at ages ago, but Griefing and/or PK were often cited as the major complaints. If I wanted to be annoyed by others purposely, I always have the Forums, and they are free.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Elhanan wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

No I belive the first one (that hit it big for me) was Everquest, but Ultima (on of them) was the first MMO and it was story driven. There are only a few MMOs that are PVP driven, most that are big around here are not really, the only one I can really think of is Warhammer Online.

From what I recall, UO, EQ, and Asheron's Call were the three I looked at ages ago, but Griefing and/or PK were often cited as the major complaints. If I wanted to be annoyed by others purposely, I always have the Forums, and they are free.

Everygame which has PvP built into it will lead into that cause people are there to do that. Most games out now have specific areas where you pvp or can just go to a non-pvp server. To dissregard some of the most highly regarded MMOs for that is never a good starting point. Hate Everquest for being the massive grind it was .

[Elhanan]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Everygame which has PvP built into it will lead into that cause people are there to do that. Most games out now have specific areas where you pvp or can just go to a non-pvp server. To dissregard some of the most highly regarded MMOs for that is never a good starting point. Hate Everquest for being the massive grind it was .

I disregard most MMO's due to this and cost. But Griefing goes beyond PvP boundaries; even TOR has examples of those that play poorly with others. But in SWTOR, care was given towards prevention, and on going QA attempts to restrict and punish those that would repeat it.

And agreed; as a rule, grinding is not worth my time. Be it killing massive amounts of vermin or repeated crafting attempts, I have better options.