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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

In the coming empire, there won't be any MMO because they're primitive and waste of time. Let the cycle begins!

[Lakhi]

As someone that actually plays ToR, the hivemind on the ingame forums is not worth listening to.

The subs that disappeared, while unfortunate for the community, weren't really sustainable subs (they were players that joined for the Story/Star Wars experience) those that have stayed are actually enjoying the game for the most part.

That being said, the primary source of discontent for players that hope to keep playing is an effective lack of communication about some of the content that was recently pushed back. It remains to be seen whether they'll ever talk about it again, sadly.

[Ukjack44]

If anyone listened to the EA investors conference call last night it is no surprise to see the shares down yet again. It saddens me what this has done to BioWare, yet they are partly to blame because of TOR.

Also apparently free subscriptions were given to players, some of these players wished to cancel their subs, yet because they were given free subscriptions, EA are able to use those figures to calm investors. So EA isn't technically lying but they are being evil geniuses. As it stands EA is at a loss with TOR, perhaps they will break even and maybe even make small profit soon. But we have to incorporate the losses from the stocks and investors into it aswell.

Seems like ME3 is their only chance to restore a little faith in their fans.

And to all other producers... This is what happens when your fan base abandons you, and even turns against you.

PS. Don't ban me again without giving proper reason. This is to whomever did so the last time.

[Elhanan]

And now for this SWTOR inspired intermission:



Terrific!

[Marixus99.9]

"TORtanic" .. why do I picture people outside the bioware Austin studio chanting "Sink! Sink! Sink!!"

[Pedrak]

Maverick827 wrote...


You didn't get your way so you hope the game fails and hundreds of people get laid off?

I didn't say I HOPE it fails. My feeling on the topic is bitter disappointment, not smug satisfaction.

They should have known better than making such an ambitious, risky money-sink of a project, another victim to WOW's sacrificial altar. A proper SP KOTOR 3, the one many fans were expecting, would have sold quite well - and it would certainly have been a lot less expensive.

Modifié par Pedrak, 08 mai 2012 - 08:05 .

[Maverick827]

Pedrak wrote...

They should have known better than making such an ambitious, risky money-sink of a project, another victim to WOW's sacrificial altar. A proper SP KOTOR 3, the one many fans were expecting, would have sold quite well - and it would certainly have been a lot less expensive.

"They should have known better?"  You do realize that SWTOR is still the second most popular MMO in North Ameica and still very much poised to be "very profitable," right?

And I hope you've actually played the game to be speaking matter-of-factly about it.  There are quite a large number of KOTOR fans who are delighted with the game; what makes your supposed disgruntled KOTOR fan army more worthy to have demanded KOTOR 3 instead?

[LTD]

I find it hillarious how so many big huge KOTOR fans have this negative stance towards TOR from get go. Bitterly complaining about lack of "proper sequel" to game they enjoy while having 10000 hours worth of RPGing waiting for them in TOR.  It is entirely possible, even preferrable to play it as a single player game. I personally didn't think super highly of the two TOR storylines I've tried but concensus is that the game has good number of very solid class stories...
..And a combat vastly superior to either of KOTOR's..or RPGs of pad generation in general.

I'd wager a KOTOR fan is far more likely to find the game enjoyable than MMO gamer searching for his next addiction.

Modifié par LTD, 08 mai 2012 - 09:20 .

[Chromie]

LTD wrote...

I find it hillarious how so many big huge KOTOR fans have this negative stance towards TOR from get go. Bitterly complaining about lack of "proper sequel" to game they enjoy while having 10000 hours worth of RPGing waiting for them in TOR.

Well as someone who was looking forward to TOR and a Kotor fan I'm very dissapointed at the end result. 

And an MMO shouldn't cater to people who want a single player experience just look what it has done to the community. I personally never seen such empty chat channels.

[Maverick827]

Skelter192 wrote...

LTD wrote...

I find it hillarious how so many big huge KOTOR fans have this negative stance towards TOR from get go. Bitterly complaining about lack of "proper sequel" to game they enjoy while having 10000 hours worth of RPGing waiting for them in TOR.

Well as someone who was looking forward to TOR and a Kotor fan I'm very dissapointed at the end result. 

And an MMO shouldn't cater to people who want a single player experience just look what it has done to the community. I personally never seen such empty chat channels.

The chat channels are fine on my server. /shrug

[Elhanan]

Skelter192 wrote...

Well as someone who was looking forward to TOR and a Kotor fan I'm very dissapointed at the end result. 

And an MMO shouldn't cater to people who want a single player experience just look what it has done to the community. I personally never seen such empty chat channels.

What solo play focus has done to the Community? Right.....
 
Have fun playing your beta.

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

Well as someone who was looking forward to TOR and a Kotor fan I'm very dissapointed at the end result. 

And an MMO shouldn't cater to people who want a single player experience just look what it has done to the community. I personally never seen such empty chat channels.

What solo play focus has done to the Community? Right.....
 
Have fun playing your beta.

And you have fun with yours.

[LTD]

Skelter192 wrote...

LTD wrote...

I find it hillarious how so many big huge KOTOR fans have this negative stance towards TOR from get go. Bitterly complaining about lack of "proper sequel" to game they enjoy while having 10000 hours worth of RPGing waiting for them in TOR.

Well as someone who was looking forward to TOR and a Kotor fan I'm very dissapointed at the end result. 

And an MMO shouldn't cater to people who want a single player experience just look what it has done to the community. I personally never seen such empty chat channels.

Yeah I didn't enjoy it much either! I entered it hoping to find a good MMO and replacement for WoW, rather than a new KOTOR experience though. Just attempting to be objective here:p I firmly believe  it is pretty likely for  a fan of KOTOR games to get a kick out of TOR.

[Morroian]

Maverick827 wrote...
The chat channels are fine on my server. /shrug

Same with mine, and I'm in an active guild so there's always a lot of guild chat going on.

[xsdob]

Going to be trying it out tomorrow, first mmo I've ever tried before, any tips other than 'don't do it.'

Modifié par xsdob, 09 mai 2012 - 05:54 .

[Morroian]

Play the 3 major modes of the game: the single player quests, the co-op flashpoints and heroic quests and the pvp warzones. I found the game more enjoyable that way because of the variety. Also some of the single player side quests are a grind, you level up through PVP and the co-op missions as well as the single player quests and that enables you to avoid much of the single player grind.

If you want a continuation of KOTOR play the Jedi Knight class. The JK story is good, the Jedi Consular story is poor. On the Imperial side the Imperial Agent story is very good.

Modifié par Morroian, 09 mai 2012 - 06:05 .

[xsdob]

Thanks, this is also my first old republic game, only got into gaming in the mid to early 2000's and only on console.

Also, as a quick question, is it possible to play as a good sith?

[Elhanan]

xsdob wrote...

Going to be trying it out tomorrow, first mmo I've ever tried before, any tips other than 'don't do it.'

Spend some time after Character Creation to set your Prefernces; many possible setting to help boost performance and desired feedback during the game.

No need to rush; enjoy the dialogue and VO. The Bounty Hunter and Sith Inquisitor have outstanding VO for the Main, as well as plenty of snarky replies if that is appealing to you.

There are several tips available on the Stickies in the SWTOR Forums; from Beginner and class to more specific info.

As with most Bioware games I have played, the Tab key is your friend; can be set to Auto-target your foes.

And enjoy it!

[Elhanan]

xsdob wrote...

Thanks, this is also my first old republic game, only got into gaming in the mid to early 2000's and only on console.

Also, as a quick question, is it possible to play as a good sith?

Yes; one can choose Light, Dark, and Grey paths for all classes, though currently the higher lvl gear is mostly for the extremes; not Neutral. That said, one does not have to play these Exrremes to gain benefits as with the ME series, so RP is fine, too. 

Sometimes you may wish to influence your Companions in choosing dialogue, so if you find your first choice is not going well, you may ecape from dialogues and restart conversation. Howver, once finished, results are set, and may effect immediate and future events in varied ways; from gaining items and credits to a simple note of congratulations.

Also, as I am Twitchless, this is the order of difficulty for playing the various classes for me:

* Too difficult - Imperial Agent and Smuggler due to use of Cover
* Very Difficult - Jedi Knight and Sith Warrior, as melee is seemingly more difficult to maneuver than ranged.
* Difficult - Sith Inquisitor and Jedi Consular; wearing Light armor makes maintaining buffs rather mandatory.
* Somewhat difficult - Trooper and Bounty Hunter; easier to target with ranged versions.

The combo of WASD and Mouse is fairly easy to grasp with practice, but is not as easy as ME series or Skyrim. Still, I manage well enough in PvE solo.

Modifié par Elhanan, 09 mai 2012 - 06:40 .

[Morroian]

xsdob wrote...

Thanks, this is also my first old republic game, only got into gaming in the mid to early 2000's and only on console.

Also, as a quick question, is it possible to play as a good sith?

Yep you can be a dark jedi and a light sith. My JK is dark, I've got a sith sorceror planned who I'm going to go the light path with. 

[Pedrak]

Maverick827 wrote...

  You do realize that SWTOR is still the second most popular MMO in North Ameica and still very much poised to be "very profitable," right?

Look, dude. As I wrote in my previous post, the premise was "IF the game, as said in this thread, is not selling as well as expected, THEN they had it coming". If it's doing well, fine, who cares, good for BW. I have no idea if the game, considering budget/sales/expectations, has been a success, a mild disappointment or a bomb - and I suspect nobody but EA does really know. As for the "why would a KOTOR fan not be happy with TOR????" question people are so puzzled with...

1) Because it's not a sequel/conclusion of the two KOTOR games - letting you play as Revan or the Exile to the end of the story;

and

2) Because you have to pay a damn monthly fee to play it!


All this regardless of its quality, which I can't judge (haven't played it) and actually said nothing about. I've heard all sort of stuff - that's the best game since BG2, that it is typical MMO grinding crap with good voice acting, and everything in between - but that's just typical of the web, I guess.

Modifié par Pedrak, 10 mai 2012 - 04:49 .

[termokanden]

Elhanan wrote...

What solo play focus has done to the Community? Right.....
 

I got that feeling also. This was a massively singleplayer online roleplaying game. If you did do a dungeon you'd get people who never talked and didn't know the first thing about etiquette (grabbing all loot no matter what, that kind of thing).

Not everyone in ToR is like that, but of the (admittedly) limited number of MMOs I've tried, I've never felt as isolated as I did in that.

First MMO I tried (well, apart from MUDs) was WoW. I met loads more people playing that and had an easier time doing dungeons. Just as an example.

I don't think it's a coincidence in an MMO that attempts to draw in the singleplayer crowd that you get less focus on the multiplayer.

[AshedMan]

Pedrak wrote...
All this regardless of its quality, which I can't judge (haven't played it) and actually said nothing about. I've heard all sort of stuff - that's the best game since BG2, that it is typical MMO grinding crap with good voice acting, and everything in between - but that's just typical of the web, I guess.

That's pretty accurate.  

[In Exile]

termokanden wrote...
I got that feeling also. This was a massively singleplayer online roleplaying game. If you did do a dungeon you'd get people who never talked and didn't know the first thing about etiquette (grabbing all loot no matter what, that kind of thing).

Not everyone in ToR is like that, but of the (admittedly) limited number of MMOs I've tried, I've never felt as isolated as I did in that.

That's what I like about TOR. I'm sure the game will die eventually,  but so far it has none of the things I don't want in a game (i.e. actual multiplayer) even if some content is basically locked out (4 person heroics unless you're playing a healer).

That being said, I never played an MMO, and don't intend to play an actual one. So all of the probably very justified faults of the game (e.g. it's a grind like insert MMO here) just aren't things I'd notice.

[Sajji]

Savber100 wrote...

Is it wrong that I secretly hope that TOR will fail so that it can go F2P?

Not at all. You are a consumer...it is logical to have this hope