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[SpiderFan1217]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

I thuoght both titles were really good. DA:2's combat made it much appealing to me. ME3 was just too great. I love that my actions really shake up and change the Galaxy.

lolwut......were you asleep during the game? Did you get a copy of ME3 that nobody has seen yet? Did you actually FINISH one playthrough of ME3?

Your actions do nothing......it makes no difference what you do or who you side with or which allies you lose.....it really does not matter at all because in the end you will be greeted by exactly the same by the exact same startroll offering you the exact same choice of colors for your explosions......and your crew still deserts you to go crash on some unknown jungle world. There is absolutely no difference....unless you considder choosing a color to count as "shaking up the gallaxy" lol.....if that's the case I just shook the gallaxy this morning when I bought a sweater....I chose black

Not going to argue. I was asked for my opinion and I gave it. My Shep changed that Galaxy in a lot of big ways. Just because you felt cheated and are unable to see how much your Shep effected the Galaxy doesn't mean you have to try and shut down my parade.

[Vormaerin]

Darth_Trethon wrote...
lolwut.

Changing the galaxy and changing the ending are not the same thing.

Leaving aside the differences between the three endings, the rest of the game's decisions will make a pretty significant impact.

Is there a Quarian homeworld?   Are the Krogan doomed, a war mongering race with a chip on their shoulder, or a rising star empire with a more balanced culture?

 Are the elcor wiped out?  Are the Hanar and Drell destroyed?  Is Earth a charred cinder from the crucible or just clobbered by reapers?

There's lots of decisions that you make that will affect the course of the future in major ways.   There's still FTL travel in the universe.  There's about 500 type G stars within a week's travel of Earth.   Alpha Centauri and Tau Ceti are within a day's travel.

The future of the galaxy is not related to whether Liara and Joker crash on a planet.

[Necrotron]

Dragon Age 2 was only a disappointment in failing to meet expectations of what a Dragon Age sequel should be (e.g. it wasn't a sequel).

Mass Effect 3 failed so badly it's ending had a ripple effect that destroys replayability for the entire series (for many).

I enjoyed Dragon Age 2, quite in fact.

[CARL_DF90]

Bathaius wrote...

Dragon Age 2 was only a disappointment in failing to meet expectations of what a Dragon Age sequel should be (e.g. it wasn't a sequel).

Mass Effect 3 failed so badly it's ending had a ripple effect that destroys replayability for the entire series (for many).

I enjoyed Dragon Age 2, quite in fact.

This without a doubt. Most people seem to miss the point.

[hand-o_death547]

Never played the DA games, but I did watch my friend play Origins and 2. IMO, ME3 was a much bigger dissapointment. For DA2 there wasn't near as much hype and excitement so when it wasn't really praised it didn't seem like a big deal. However since ME3 was hyped to hell and back it obviously had a bigger effect when it failed.

[CARL_DF90]

Don't forget the false advertising.

[vixvicco]

Mass Effect 3. DA 2, was meh. I was okay with it. Got a platinum trophy from playing it, so I'm not complaining.

Modifié par vixvicco, 08 mai 2012 - 09:45 .

[BobbyDylan]

ME3 was way more disapointing.

DA2 was like going on a blind date, to find the bird you'd been set up with is a total dog.
ME3 was like going on a blind date, to find the bird you'd been set up with is a mega-hot babe, but when you get her back to you place at the end of the night, she turns out to be a transvestite.

Not cool.

Modifié par BobbyDylan, 08 mai 2012 - 09:58 .

[jpj1187]

mass effect 3 isnt done yet hopefully dlc will fix my issue with the ending it is a great game

da2 great plot but they really messed up the combat and well a lot of things i really like dao and still play it hopefully da3 is like the first not the 2nd

[Tal_Elmar]

ME3

I had much bigger expectations for this one..

[Biotic Budah]

You really had to ask? Considering every planet didn't look the same and that the antagonist you created (Shepard) made it through all 3 games, I'd say Dragon Age 2 was the bigger disappointment.

To tell you the truth, it made me scared for Mass Effect 3 when Dragon Age 2 decided to muck around with the canon.

[Zolt51]

[quote]SpiderFan1217 wrote...

I thuoght both titles were really good. DA:2's combat made it much appealing to me. ME3 was just too great. I love that my actions really shake up and change the Galaxy.[/quote]

[/quote]

Funnily enough, I agree on ME3, disagree on DA2. The combat system was pretty much the main thing that I didn't like in DA2. It felt really dumbed down and purely action based. See also: Enemies exploding. The story itself, while not as good a DA:O, was enjoyable.

ME3 I adored the dialogues, and liked most of the rest of it. I didn't really hype up to either game so I wasn't disappointed either.

[Der Bibliothekar]

At least, in DA2 i could stab that plot-forcing SOB in the back, the catalyst still laughs at me...

[Orumon]

I found DA2 to be less than it could have been. However, as far as storytelling goes it was at leas up to a consistent standard and if you didn't like the direction the ending went, that was because you felt there were other ways for the story to go. Yes, it wasn't as good as DA:O, but it was a good story overall with very common gameplay gaffes (however, recycled environments has only plagued BW games recently, witht the first ME and DA2). DA2 has a definite interludey feel to it though, and it's pretty evident from the start.

Contrast ME3, which was expected and required to be a masterpiece of storytelling, but it fell short, with only Tuchanka and Rannoch matching the expectations of the players. Bioware really shot themselves in the foot there.

[IanPolaris]

Actually I was willing to forgive the recycled environments in ME1 because it seems to me that almost all of those missions take place in either space ships or "pre-fab" environmental units to be used on new or hostile worlds. Given that, I'd expect one prefab colony building to be pretty much like any other. Same with freighters.

-Polaris

[andocrack]

Reinveil wrote...

I think there's some serious rose-tinted glasses action going on in here, too. All of the complaints "fans" level at ME3 were present and substantially worse in DAII.

This.

People are saying things like ME3 ruined a franchise and not a single game, but that's there in DA2 also.

- Did you kill Leliana/Anders before DA2? Well guess what, they're back anyways. Anders was a (meh, I guess) slightly believable reach, but :innocent: DIVINE INTERVENTION :innocent: actually saves Leliana. If that doesn't negate the importance of decisions in DA:O, then I don't know what does.
- Did you enjoy the RPG elements? Well just like Mass Effect, it's a hybrid action-rpg game that doesn't largely commit to either side. In addition, the "new" dialogue wheel not only maps the position of your response, but also includes little color-coded icons so you know what's good, bad, or in the middle.
- Like ME2 squadmates in ME3, DA2 reduces the role of characters from Origins to cameos and reference, even though they are sure to be present. Flemeth returns from Origins - included in promo art (even a litho on the BW store), the demo, revealed to be a bigger threat once thought in the end of Witch Hunt - but returns for only a few minutes of cryptic dialogue. Mentions of Morrigan also hint at something larger. The Warden is also obviously mentioned and their importance acknowledged; ultimately the Warden has no effect on the game, though the ending seems to imply that at some point afterwards they will or should.
- There are so many complaints all of the decisions in Mass Effect being culminated in the choice of red/blue/green, but Dragon Age II takes your decisions and the only choice that matters is siding with either mages or templars. Anders blows up the Chantry, Orsino goes nuts, so does Meredith, and Hawke can't be an idol and tell everyone to work it out. You're the Champion of Kirkwall, but you stand by and watch a war unfold because some wacko blondes say "you're either with us or you're against us."

Modifié par andocrack, 08 mai 2012 - 04:08 .

[Zolt51]

Orumon wrote...
Contrast ME3, which was expected and required to be a masterpiece of storytelling, but it fell short, with only Tuchanka and Rannoch matching the expectations of the players. Bioware really shot themselves in the foot there.

Only Tuchanka and Rannoch? That's over 50% of the main plot just for those 2 worlds! Even it was only for these 2 missions that they managed to live up to expectations, considering how high the bar is I'd still call it a huge achievement.

I can't really fault how Priority Mars, Palaven, or even the Cerberus Base were handled either. These are all quality missions, even if you don't agree with some of the story elements they introduce - whole catalyst theme was a bit of a Deus Ex, true, but that doesn't change the quality of these missions. Even priority Earth, what problem exactly do you have with this one *before* the beam?

Modifié par Zolt51, 09 mai 2012 - 01:40 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Deemz wrote...

ME3. I liked DA2 a lot.

Uh.......yeah, let's go with it.

I did prefer DA2, because it had a finish.

[CARL_DF90]

IanPolaris wrote...

Actually I was willing to forgive the recycled environments in ME1 because it seems to me that almost all of those missions take place in either space ships or "pre-fab" environmental units to be used on new or hostile worlds. Given that, I'd expect one prefab colony building to be pretty much like any other. Same with freighters.

-Polaris

True enough. Still, if ME1 is ever remade with more modern and stable technology (1st day buy for me if ever done) than that is one thing I'd like to see improved. Recycled environments is always lazy and stupid and that is one flaw I'm glad didn't make it into ME3. Heck, even the MP maps used for side-missions didn't bother me that much.

[Lethys1]

DA2 is more of a shock because it comes fresh off a great Dragon Age game which had me excited for the next one immensely.  And the way any potential concerns were adamantly shot down on these forums, concerns which later turned out to be true by the way, had me really psyched because I doubted that they would embellish on the truth as much as they did.

ME3 is the close of a huge franchise, and a lot of the game was enjoyable.  I had problems with it that didn't include the ending.  In fact, most of my issues have to do with the lack of impact that first two games have, and the myth of the importance of imported saves.  Still, I'd be lying if I said I didn't think it was fun a lot of the time.

So DA2 is just garbage and has a horrific ending, ME3 is okay mostly but with a massively bad ending.  I pick DA2 as being bigger disappointment.  The entire game was just....awful.

[Deathstroke123]

Well, given that DA2 is actually a bad game, whereas ME3 isn't, gonna have to go with DA2.

[Deathstroke123]

IanPolaris wrote...

Actually I was willing to forgive the recycled environments in ME1 because it seems to me that almost all of those missions take place in either space ships or "pre-fab" environmental units to be used on new or hostile worlds. Given that, I'd expect one prefab colony building to be pretty much like any other. Same with freighters.

-Polaris

That's the pretty bad excuse for just copy-pasting the same place over and over and over again.

BSN Logic:

ME3 doesn't have random pointless plot-wise character appear = Bioware is lazy

ME1 has the same exact lab setup for 95% of it's side missions = Oh it's not lazy, it's because of lore and blah blah blah

Please.

[zambot]

DA2 was much more disappointing to me. It never engaged me the way DA:O did or ME1-3, so I never even completed it. As much as I disliked the ME3 ending, at least I made it that far.