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[Grand_Commander13]

DA2. Not only did it have a discordant storyline because there were three stories in there, but only one of them was particularly good. On top of that it introduced the re-use of maps into the series and lowered combat's quality and made enemies copies of one another with a new paint job.

ME3 retained its predecessor's good gameplay and hit more high points in its story while only hitting one tragically low point. Now, admittedly, that low point spoils the enjoyment of the story for the entire series, but if you turn the game off after you talk to all your friends on Priority: Earth and then turn to a fanfiction to finish the job you can say the pre-ending story in ME3 was good.

[TODD9999]

ME3 was worse, although to be fair I never actually made it all the way through Origins. Or even well into Origins. So, I was not as invested into the setting as someone else may have been.

[porky88]

The question should be Mass Effect 3's ending versus Dragon Age 2. The games aren't even comparable. Mass Effect 3 is a game of the year candidate. Dragon Age 2 is the biggest disappointment since Devil May Cry 2.

Modifié par porky88, 07 mai 2012 - 03:25 .

[ctanctan]

ME3

[Blue Liara]

Not even close. Mass Effect 3 worse by a LONG WAY

[The_Other_M]

Definitely ME3.

Dragon Age 2 had recycled dungeon layouts, one hub town, no level grinding(at least in a traditional sense), and surprising linear quests. Despite what choices you made, most of the outcomes remain the same. And the ending was forgettable, but it didn't kill the franchise.

Mass Effect 3 had two good story missions, one good N7 Mission, and one hub world. There were some nice character moments here and there. However, the rest of the game was a disappointing, anger-inducing mess.

[gearseffect]

Grand_Commander13 wrote...

DA2. Not only did it have a discordant storyline because there were three stories in there, but only one of them was particularly good. On top of that it introduced the re-use of maps into the series and lowered combat's quality and made enemies copies of one another with a new paint job.

ME3 retained its predecessor's good gameplay and hit more high points in its story while only hitting one tragically low point. Now, admittedly, that low point spoils the enjoyment of the story for the entire series, but if you turn the game off after you talk to all your friends on Priority: Earth and then turn to a fanfiction to finish the job you can say the pre-ending story in ME3 was good.

I've never played Dragon Age, however I'd like to point out some huge things in ME3 that ruined the game for me, and I'm not talking about the ending.

My other issues with ME3, are as fallows
1.The misshandling of the ME2 cast though the whole entire game of ME3, Thane, Samara, Kasumi, Zaeed, and Jacob, were all reduced to little more than a glorifed cameo,

Jacob had his character ruined and destroyed by BW being idoits and having him knock Brynn up no mater what,

Thane his death totally tasteless, badly done the more I think on it the more I hate all of it, no one mentions Thane it's like he don't even exsist, ever Garrus of all people I expected to have a comment on him NOPE.

Kelly Chambers got her all her conent cut from the game, and sure she had some in the game but compaired to what I was expecting and had read, yeah it was all cut, same with Kasumi and Zaeed cut all their content out.

Miranda was a big dissapointment and I hear Miranda fans saying Miranda was reduced to a zombie of her former self I agree, but she wasn't the only reduced to a zombie, Samara, Jacob and Thane were too.

Mordin and Legion, hands down got the royal treatment,  the only ME2 cast members that got any just due Mordin and Legion.

Jack, I'm gonna say it she got an extremly great showing in ME3, compaired to the other LI's her character was intact her personilty (minus a cussing), was all there. She had some really good content in the Grisson Acd, and at the night clud well that was rather lack luster,

Grunt he got a great showing, likely right behind or in front of Jack, as far as what fans got with him, hell people who used to not care about him now think he's a BOSS.

Ashley got sh!t on really bad too, I mean compair her content to that of Kaidan and well it's night and day. I had been looking forward to having Ashley back, sadly I hardly even felt like she was present at all, really sad.

Batarians, BW gave us nothing, with the Arrival DLC and all I expected more from the Batarians, and I don't buy for one second the BS that they got all killed by the Reapers, because I saw Balek's conent in the leaks (if he was alive) and let me tell ya it sickens me the reduced role and lack of any Batarians in ME3.

Rachni, Rachni, WTF? BW you said that they'd be huge in ME3 they would have a huge role in things, in fact what the heck happend to the Rachni ships that would take off when spoted from the news vids in ME2? They were more persent there than in ME3.

I can go on but I won't, I'll just say that for me the biggest and best thing of ME has always been the characters, and the fact it felt like I was driving the story as Shepard, and in ME3 I didn't feel that I was driving, more like back seat driving.
And the Characters, yeah don't get me started there I got screwed over royally in ME3.

[-Skorpious-]

ME3. I did not have 5 years to become invested in Hawke or his allies.

[StevenG_CT]

As much as it pains me to say it DA2 was a better game in my opinion than ME3. Even though DA2 had many more blatant examples of cutting corners (recycled maps, only one city, etc.) than ME3 did I still felt compelled to play through the campaign half a dozen times whereas with ME3 I have only done one complete playthough and have been working on the second for weeks with no real desire to finish it. A big part of the reason for this is a lot more character development in DA2 than there is in ME3. In DA2 some of the quests can actually play out differently depending on who you bring along while in ME3 the only differences seem to be squad banter. Other than wanting to see how the different romance plots play out (and from what I understand most of them are rather disappointing) I don't really have any reason to keep playing ME3.

Bottom line: I got more enjoyment out of DA2 than I think I will get from ME3. Maybe the upcoming ME3 DLC's will change that but I somehow I doubt it.

[legionaireshen]

me3

I never expect too much from da2, although me1 style sidequest and all those fetch quest suck, overall it meets my expectation of a decent "dragon effect" game.

me3 however, I expect it to be goty, thus huge disappointment

[TheJester000]

DA2 by miles and miles.

[gearseffect]

mnomaha wrote...

DA2 was a disappointment, but it is okay as a standalone game, not a sequel.

ME3 was supposed to be the last game in a trilogy. Instead, everything we have done and almost our entire squad in ME2 no longer matters. In fact, I could say you could skip the entire ME2 game and not notice a difference. What exactly was the purpose of ME2? Squadmates, except for Garrus and Tali...no longer important. The collector base...doesn't matter what you did. All those loyalty missions...nope, doesn't matter. That nobody left behind achievement...what a joke because...it doesn't matter.

It's not even the ending (which I think sucks) that ruined the game. It was the terrible graphics, lack of squad interaction, lack of dialogue, lack of ME2 SQUAD, and hell, I even miss the mining as opposed to what we got.

edit: Just to clarify...ME3 was a bigger disappointment by far.

Holy crap you beat me to the punch, I posted this same thing like 3 hours after you did, only in my topical fashion of long and over thought out and explained jibber jabber, that's a mountain of words.

[Tashash]

ME 3, most definitly.

At the very least in DAII I got to choose if my LI died or not.

[Vlta]

ME3 is in a league of it's own when it comes to disappointment, DA2 has nothing on it...

[coldwetn0se]

me3 was by far the bigger disappointment. I always expected a different protagonist in DA2 (from DAO), and new it would be a new story line, so had no issue with it.

Besides, numbers don't lie. Played DAO 8x's, played DA2 10x's, ME1 4x's, ME2 8x's (started with ME2)
Now for me3...............started two playthroughs at the same time (it's my MO); couldn't finish either one. Sad.

[mnomaha]

gearseffect wrote...

mnomaha wrote...

DA2 was a disappointment, but it is okay as a standalone game, not a sequel.

ME3 was supposed to be the last game in a trilogy. Instead, everything we have done and almost our entire squad in ME2 no longer matters. In fact, I could say you could skip the entire ME2 game and not notice a difference. What exactly was the purpose of ME2? Squadmates, except for Garrus and Tali...no longer important. The collector base...doesn't matter what you did. All those loyalty missions...nope, doesn't matter. That nobody left behind achievement...what a joke because...it doesn't matter.

It's not even the ending (which I think sucks) that ruined the game. It was the terrible graphics, lack of squad interaction, lack of dialogue, lack of ME2 SQUAD, and hell, I even miss the mining as opposed to what we got.

edit: Just to clarify...ME3 was a bigger disappointment by far.

Holy crap you beat me to the punch, I posted this same thing like 3 hours after you did, only in my topical fashion of long and over thought out and explained jibber jabber, that's a mountain of words.

hahahaha, now now, some of us enjoy your mountains...of words. And we almost always agree on what we're saying. The only difference is that I was in stealth mode at work. :innocent:

[Cyne]

Without a doubt DA2. There was so much wrong with that game. In hindsight, I can see why they chose to remove certain features & add others like a voiced protagonist, etc. but at the time I was crushed by how much it differed compared to DA:O. The entire thing screamed rush job. ME2 improved upon its predecessor in practically every way, yet the dragon age sequel took several steps backwards. There was SO MUCH potential, too, and they still managed to turn out something mediocre.

Seriously hoping DA3 resurrects the franchise.</3

With ME3, only the ending and autodialogue truly disappointed me, and the ending may yet be salvaged.

Modifié par Cyne, 07 mai 2012 - 05:34 .

[bjdbwea]

DA 2, like ME 2, was a game that was obviously rushed. A lot of corners were cut during development, and it was obvious that the developers had primarily focused on catering to the action mainstream instead of the RPG fans. DA 2 is of course even worse than ME 2 in that regard.

ME 3 on the other hand is a great game that in my opinion is very worthy of the names BioWare and Mass Effect. The ending of the game of course is terrible, but right to the moment were the nonsense starts, it's one of the best games that I've ever played, mainly because of the highly emotional scenes throughout. You just need to watch those and compare them to ME 2 to notice that a lot more work and attention to details have been put into ME 3. It was a big step in the right direction after ME 2 and DA 2. I will simply refrain from watching the ending of ME 3 during future playthroughs and pretend that my own idea of events unfolded instead. Maybe my opinion would be different if I hadn't known about the ending of ME 3 before I started playing it, but for me that ending alone doesn't make the whole game a disappointment. And hopefully the DLC will even salvage the ending of the game.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 07 mai 2012 - 05:38 .

[ArchDuck]

DA2 had its moments (good and bad) and seemed to drag more but didn't seem to have the "f*ck you" quality they instilled into ME3.

[Faded-Myth]

I enjoyed DA2 a lot. It had its problems, and the reused dungeons was a shame, but none of it had the same crushing disappointment that Mass Effect 3's ending gave me. To be fair, I'm more invested in the Mass Effect universe.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

All of you that said Mass Effect 3 lost ALL credibility. DA2 is just a bad game.

[Fnork]

ME3. I liked DA2 a lot.

[StevenG_CT]

ArchDuck wrote...

DA2 had its moments (good and bad) and seemed to drag more but didn't seem to have the "f*ck you" quality they instilled into ME3.

To a certain extent it did. For much of DA2 it seemed like it would be possible to broker peace between the mages and templars if you played your cards right but unfortunately Anders fouls everything up no matter what you do. Similarly in ME3 for much of the game it seemed like there would be a way to "win" if you played your card right but unfortunately Starchild fouls everything up no matter what you do.

Also similar to ME3 some of your critical decisions were outright ignored in the final chapter of DA2. In DA2 apostates rebel regardless of whether you support them or not earlier in the game. In ME3 brokering peace between the Geth and Quarians, a major argument against Starchild's organic vs. synthetics logic, is completely ignored.

At least in DA2 there isn't the sense at the end that absolutely everyone is completely hosed.

[StevenG_CT]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

All of you that said Mass Effect 3 lost ALL credibility. DA2 is just a bad game.

Many of the complaints about DA2 could also be made about ME3. To be perfectly honest if DA2 hadn't blatantly recycled so many art assets there would not be nearly as many complaints about it.

I would actually go so far as to say that there were many things that DA2 did better than ME3, in some cases significantly better. In DA2 it actually matters who you take on missions. Some squadmates have positive or negative reactions based on your decisions which affects their loyalty to the player and their disposition at the end of the game. Conversely, in ME3 your squad selection basically just results in different squad banter during the mission.

In my opinion the meaningful squadmate interaction during missions gave DA2 a lot of re-playability, something that is sorely lacking in ME3.

[CARL_DF90]

Considering that the finale to a trilogy had completely trivialized and destroyed the underlining themes, lore, and decisions for all three games I'd say ME3 without a doubt.