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[Peranor]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

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very good post!
I should quote without snipping because it deserves the attention. But it was quite a lengthy post =)

[BrowncoatN7]

ME3. It fell so far, and I don't hate DA2. Sure, it's worse than DA:O, but I don't think it's that bad. The lack of resolution is fine, because it's not the last part of a trilogy. I'm fine with cliffhangers as long as they get resolved in the end (Off the Map, I'm looking at you).

Modifié par lament.ballad, 07 mai 2012 - 10:56 .

[humes spork]

Considering I saw the one-page insert advertisement for DA2 complete with release date in my Awakening package, wrote it off on the spot as a shameless EA money grab, and have yet to give it a second look (making it the first BW RPG I've ever flatly refused to buy), I can't really say that's a fair comparison.

[Spatchmo]

I've noticed that now that it's been out for so long, a lot of folks have tempered their hatred of Dragon Age 2. This makes me happy, because the game was fun for me and I loved the characters. Sarcastic Hawke is one of the funniest characters Bioware has written. The story could have been better but it was an interesting change from "hero of the world" to "man/woman trying to support his family".

The dungeon recycling was ridiculous, and the combat could get tedious... I still prefer the combat pacing of Dragon Age 2 to Dragon Age 1, I just didn't like the enemy waves.

I played through DA2 6 or 7 times. I played through Mass Effect 3 twice, and have no desire for another run until I see the EC. So, as I stated earlier in the thread, the only part of either game that severely disappointed me was the last 10 minutes of ME3.

[Fingertrip]

Dragon Age 2, no doubt in my mind. But that was mostly because of the recycling and not really blunt about it. I actually really liked the story and the characters in general, but the stuck in Kirkwall and recycling got the better of me. The combat was really quite good improvement overall, and it was not nice not having worry about saving the bloody world for once.

Mass Effect 3 was not a disapointment, it's the best in the series- sure the ending is abit open for interpretation, but I think that's what makes it good also. People are abit narrow-minded on the game, and it's onfortunate.

Modifié par Fingertrip, 07 mai 2012 - 11:01 .

[Barquiel]

ME3

Yes...the ending is bad, but it's not the only problem ME3 has. One example...do you remember this trailer?
http://masseffect.co...ea6003412797422
Interactive storytelling and consequences...and they used Lieutenant Kurin and her gunship on Thessia as an
example 
The collector base/Cerberus, the fate of the council or the rachni are of course bigger decisions that should matter, but they're more or less ignored in ME3.

I kinda enjoyed DA2, despite its numerous flaws (3 playthroughs)...but I can't bring myself to replay ME3.

Modifié par Barquiel, 07 mai 2012 - 11:05 .

[Peranor]

Spatchmo wrote...

I've noticed that now that it's been out for so long, a lot of folks have tempered their hatred of Dragon Age 2. This makes me happy, because the game was fun for me and I loved the characters. Sarcastic Hawke is one of the funniest characters Bioware has written. The story could have been better but it was an interesting change from "hero of the world" to "man/woman trying to support his family".

The dungeon recycling was ridiculous, and the combat could get tedious... I still prefer the combat pacing of Dragon Age 2 to Dragon Age 1, I just didn't like the enemy waves.

I played through DA2 6 or 7 times. I played through Mass Effect 3 twice, and have no desire for another run until I see the EC. So, as I stated earlier in the thread, the only part of either game that severely disappointed me was the last 10 minutes of ME3.

Aha! So that was their plan all along?
Make ME3 worse then DA2 so people would start shifting their attention towards the DA3 announcement. And when DA3 is finally realeased people will only remember how bad ME3 was and how fantastic DA2 was, and happily run out and buy DA3

[Bocks]

ME3 is a far better game than DA2, but it was also far more dissappointing.

[StrawberryRainPop]

andy69156915 wrote...

Now by this point, both games have been out a while, enough for the games to sink in a bit and our likes and dislikes of the game to be pretty much settled in us,  and the intial "shock" to be gone, what game is worse?

I personally think ME3 is the bigger problem game. I actually still quite like DA2, I like the characters, Kirkwall, the new combat. It's not nearly as grand feeling as Origins, but it's still much more grand then Awakening was. Heck, I like DA2 more then Awakening by quite a large margin, even if it doesn't match Origins. Really, only the reused environments and the rather lackluster ending really bother me, and ME3's ending is even more lackluster then DA2's was (who knows, the EC ending might change that though). Besides, DA2 was just following 1 characters rise to fame and how they got swept up in really big problems, nothing too big at stake. Well, the mage civil war was a huge deal, but that only really got introduced in DA2, and the conclusion to that is awaiting the next game. But because it's more a personal story, it being a little lackluster didn't bug me much, it was never supposed to be a big epic adventure like its predecessor was. It was just a nice little lead-in to bigger events later. The hype was just "eh, it will be pretty good", so if it was disappointing it wouldn't sting too much. Bigger they are, harder they fall, and DA2 was never that big to begin with so it didn't have far to fall. It's hype, for me at least, wasn't high enough to destroy it.

ME3 though, was touted the be the "grand epic final of an amazing trilogy". I mean, it was IT. It was the final, supposed to be what everything was leading up to, the biggest and most in depth of the series. It was built up to be the Bioware game to end all Bioware games. It was to be the biggest, bestest, baddest, epicest, lethalist, saddest, happiest, maddest, everythingest game ever. Bioware hyped it to be such, the fans did, gaming "journalism" did, everyone was hyping it to be that. It was massive in hype. Well, again... bigger they are, harder they fall. If it didn't live up, it was going to hit the ground like a meteor the size of Alaska, and the fallout would be just as bad (metaphorically). Unlike DA2, its fall in the event of disappointment was going to be Earth shattering. And... It was exactly the opposite of its hype. It fell. The game was smaller then the previous games, less to do, less dialog, less importance of events, endings that were just "option R, B, G", less choice. It was almost the total opposite of what the hype claimed. It isn't a bad game by any means, but for what it was built up to, it being not as good as it was supposed to be made it sting like the game completely sucked. It was built up the be the alpha and omega, but it just ended up... Good. Frankly, it ending up like DA2 and being only good when it's all that was expected from it would have felt much less painful.

Bottom line, what game is better? I honestly don't know, both are pretty good. But what game fell short of what it was meant to be, was worse compared to its potentiel? ME3, no question. DA2 lived up to what I expected out of it far better then ME3 did.


So, what's everyone else's opinion on this?

DA2 was dissapointing in comparison, but its still a good game and didnt ruin the franchise with an ending that rewrote everything and spat in our faces.

[ioannisdenton]

DA2 destroyed only Dragona ge 2. Mass effect 3 destroyed THE WHOLE TRILOGY
so my vote goes to ME3

[dayvancowboy1]

 obviously dragon age 2, people are being ridiculous. excluding the ending and dumbed down dialog ME3 was amazing.

i feel bad for the casey and the team though i can see they wanted the reaper war the span more than one game but had to rush the conclusion to the trilogy thanks to the EA brass. still ME3 was a fulfilling game uo until the starchild.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I enjoyed the majority of both games. Generally I prefer ME to DA, mostly because I'm a nerd who loves sci-fi, but ME3 left me feeling disappointed where as DA2 pretty much lived up to my expectations.

The most disappointing thing about DA2 was being forced to play as a shemlen. The other things that bugged some people didn't bother me. Copy pasted dungeons - easier to find my way around. Mashing the awesome button - can be changed in options. Hawke isn't a big goddamn hero - a refreshing change.

ME3's ending was a train wreck and makes any problems I had with DA2's ending seem insignificant now.

[pharsti]

ME3, by a far far larger margin.

Dont get me wront, DA2 was somewhat disappointing but it was nowhere near the level of disapointment ME3 seemed to aim for.

Besides, ones a game with a new character in a known world, one that is a part of a bigger story, while ME3 was the end to a trilogy following characters and events we have been following for 5 years, the stakes are completely different.

[Joccaren]

ME3.
DA2 was crap, rushed and bland - and you could tell. The combat may have worked - if the auto attack wasn't so spastic [It kept switching on and off for no apparent reason], and if the enemies had more variety and didn't rely on swarm and cheese tactics to be difficult [Small room, large numbers of enemies with high health that stun every hit as one example]. However, it got the Role Playing Aspect Right still. I still chose what Hawke said, I still chose who he was, and the character interaction was IMO the best from any Bioware game [For example: Being able to ask them what they want to do in a conversation]. It was nowhere near as good as Origins, but it was so obviously rushed, and didn't feel like a big, important occasion to me. It was another Dragon Age game - awesome! - but I wasn't as connected, as it was a new character in a new place, and I had seen the "Push a button, something awesome has to happen" speel.

ME3, on the other hand, was deceptive. It was to be Bioware's Magnum Opus, at least that's what it felt like. It was going to take into account hundreds of decisions from previous games, and bring them into a conclusion. We were going to face off against the Reapers, and send them back into Darkspace - or lose and have them take over the galaxy, 2 of 16 endings based entirely off your choices. The scale was going to be bigger than before. Elements such as weapon mods were returning, and the ability system was shaping up to be better than both 1 and 2.
I couldn't see how Bioware would go wrong. It seemed like it would be the game to end all games. Then I played the game.
A Deus Ex Machina. Ok, I can live with that. I guess they didn't have all the time in the world to come up with a better way to defeat the Reapers. They were probably busy working on the choices instead.
Retconned Choices. Ok... I can see why they would want to do this to make it appealing to newcomers, but I thought killing the Rachni might have a consequence, or saving the council, or the Collector base...
The endings. What on Earth was that? What did I do wrong to get that? Lets check online... Wait... That's it? What happened to 16 different endings? Even if you add up all the slight variations in the endings, there's only 7. What happened to satisfying conclusions to my choices? Hell, where were my choices? I get a 2 second clip of them jumping in, and that's it? What about the Rachni? Were they utterly useless in the final fight? Weren't they meant to have played a big part?
And then I thought back to what I'd just played.
What the hell!? What happened to my dialogue? More than half of that was auto-dialogue. What on Earth was with that planet scanning crap? They take the interesting part of it out, replace it with spam right clicking, then add in a chase game that is just as - if not more - annoying than the scanning itself. Why is the entire game straightforward linear, no alternate paths? Why didn't [Insert list of Twitter kills here] show up at any time?


ME3 was worse than me because I believed in Bioware. I'm not making the same mistake again. Previously I thought they were capable of making miracles happen. Now I barely put it past them to do the bare minimum. DA2 I could accept. In the end I got it on sale as I'd seen what was coming, and heard about the negatives of it - sadly they were true. ME3... What it could have been vs what it is is far more disappointing than the rush that was DA2.

[Flamewielder]

I felt DA2 had more problems (repetitive levels being the biggest) but the story was more open-ended. I enjoyed 3 entertaining playthroughs as male fighter, female rogue and female mage and would likely enjoy a 4th one.

ME3 was better overall but the endings fails. Unless you're REALLY into prequels, there frankly isn't much left of the ME universe once you've taken out the relays (even assuming they didn't wipe out whole systems like in Arrival)...

If you've got a successful IP on your hands, you need to keep a "writing bible" like Bungie has for Halo, or Black Library has for Warhammer 40k. Bioware obviously has nothing of the kind (yet) beyond relying on fan-maintained wikis; the recent failure of the last ME novel and the obvious plothole created by ME3's conclusion are evidence of this.

As much as I'm a sucker for happy endings, I'll settle for a sad one that doesn't insult my intelligence.

Bottom line: despite ME3 being a superior product to DA2, DA2 felt more satisfying than ME3 and that's entirely due to the ending. If BW felt it was worth taking down a sub-standard novel, ME3 is definitely worth a new, better thought-out ending.

[survivor_686]

Mass Effect 3.

[fjun]

ME3. Without a doubt.
I was soo much more invested into ME3 than in DA. But maybe it just doesn't hurt that much because DA is going to be continued.

[Eain]

Barquiel wrote...

ME3

Yes...the ending is bad, but it's not the only problem ME3 has. One example...do you remember this trailer?
http://masseffect.co...ea6003412797422
Interactive storytelling and consequences...and they used Lieutenant Kurin and her gunship on Thessia as an
example 

Yeah I made a thread about this a few weeks ago. Basically no matter what you do ingame you always get the gunships, but that vid makes it seem like things turn out radically different. The purest case of false advertising yet.

[christrek1982]

United_Strafes wrote...

DA2, Mass Effect 3 only sucked for 5 minutes not 20 hours.

but that last 5 nimutes where so hart braking and dipressing that ME3 trumps DA2 by a lot.

[christrek1982]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I enjoyed the majority of both games. Generally I prefer ME to DA, mostly because I'm a nerd who loves sci-fi, but ME3 left me feeling disappointed where as DA2 pretty much lived up to my expectations.

The most disappointing thing about DA2 was being forced to play as a shemlen. The other things that bugged some people didn't bother me. Copy pasted dungeons - easier to find my way around. Mashing the awesome button - can be changed in options. Hawke isn't a big goddamn hero - a refreshing change.

ME3's ending was a train wreck and makes any problems I had with DA2's ending seem insignificant now.

this 100% DA2 had it's moments just as ME3 did but unlike ME3 the ending left room for more Hawke was still alive and with his/her LI and the world was actualy saved and was left in a better state the war was still there and needed to be delt with but at least there was hope.

[Peranor]

pharsti wrote...

ME3, by a far far larger margin.

Dont get me wront, DA2 was somewhat disappointing but it was nowhere near the level of disapointment ME3 seemed to aim for.

Besides, ones a game with a new character in a known world, one that is a part of a bigger story, while ME3 was the end to a trilogy following characters and events we have been following for 5 years, the stakes are completely different.

True. You never got the same emotional attachment  to DA2 as you did to ME1-3 and all it's characters. That is why, for me, the disappointment in ME3 is so much worse.

[ResultsWillVary]

This is literally like comparing apples to oranges. They were both huge disappointments. Mass Effect 3 for the fact that they spent 3 games building a great series with a great story and then just screwing it over with the last 10 minutes. Dragon Age was a disappointment in it's own class with the only saving grace being that I got to kill what's his bucket.. (allers?) at the end. That was satisfying.

[xxskyshadowxx]

From the start, I kind of knew that DA2 was not going to be as good as DA:O, so my expectations were lower. Since ME3 involved a LOT of dishonest PR, and previous good storytelling, my expectations were a lot higher...especially since it was a trilogy, and had been planned as such early on. Typically, the format for writing a trilogy is that the entire events of the plot are planned from the start, not cobbled together last minute with each iteration. I foolishly thought that the writers of this series were professionals who understood the very basics of writing a trilogy. So ME3...all the way.

[Luder09]

I actually didn't mind DA2, yes it was rushed, the re-used dungeons were lame but at least the story wasn't bad,at least you left with a sense of accomplishment and had a feeling there would be DLC or something to continue Hawke's story.Sadly, with this ME3 debacle going on, some fans may have missed that Hawke's story will continue in another medium (book/cartoon?), not in DLC. =(