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[StElmo]

Strangely enough, this interesting perspective was provided by a reader at IGN, of all places.

au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/122/1221492p1.html#comment-474769355

I don't believe anyone actually liked the ending. People like the fact
that they can claim that it's "deep" and "intelligent" and that other
people just didn't get it. It's a pathetic excuse to pretend they're
smart or insightful.

To be honest, I kind of agree with him. Most people that defend the ending seem to like the fact it is ambiguous and dark.

But just like many things in life, this is driven by the ego (second biggest human motivator, aside from reproduction), the desire to put ones ego above others in an attempt to come accross as insightful or thoughtful.

I'm yet to see someone who liked the ending on a very basic "yeah I'm satisfied with that" level.

but feel free to prove me wrong!

Great post to this thread already:

Animositisomina wrote...

I think Friedrich Nietzsche summed it up best with this:

"Being deep and appearing deep. -- Whoever knows he is deep, strives for clarity; whoever would like to appear deep to the crowd, strives for obscurity.
For the crowd considers anything deep if only it cannot see to the
bottom: the crowd is so timid and afraid of going into the water."

The first half, in bold, applies to this whole mess quite well.

EDIT: I can see people are thinking I am some kind of high brow "look down on the little people satisfied with their petty ending" attitude, which is being spashed on me without any real proof.

I am merely pointing out the fact that people who like the ending rarely explain it in a simple way and seem to be fairly condescending of anyone who doesn't approve of the ending. That to me, reeks of ego, not of thoughtfulness.

Modifié par StElmo, 07 mai 2012 - 12:55 .

[Elyiia]

It's not deep, at all. Anyone claiming such should get a brain scan asap.

[SirBob1613]

Whysz you noes understanzds endingsds you stuppids whines moresza you moronsdcds!

Thats what i hear anyway when they talk.

[David7204]

I had a professor once who said that to be a great, a story had to have a political message.

What a complete idiot.

And that guy somehow landed a job at a university. So yes, I'm sure there's people like that.

[ZIPO396]

I'm sure there are people who liked the ending because they simply liked the ending or just didn't care about the story/universe in the first place. Why the later were playing ME3 eludes me. But yeah it's possible some of the people who like the ending are just doing that and there are likely people who hate the ending just to hate it as well.

[Animositisomina]

I think Friedrich Nietzsche summed it up best with this:

"Being deep and appearing deep. -- Whoever knows he is deep, strives for clarity; whoever would like to appear deep to the crowd, strives for obscurity. For the crowd considers anything deep if only it cannot see to the bottom: the crowd is so timid and afraid of going into the water."

The first half, in bold, applies to this whole mess quite well.

Modifié par Animositisomina, 07 mai 2012 - 01:52 .

[StElmo]

Animositisomina wrote...

I think Friedrich Nietzsche summed it up best with this:

"Being deep and appearing deep. -- Whoever knows he is deep, strives for clarity; whoever would like to appear deep to the crowd, strives for obscurity. For the crowd considers anything deep if only it cannot see to the bottom: the crowd is so timid and afraid of going into the water."

The first half, in bold, applies to this whole mess quite well.

Genius quote, thanks man, love it!

[spirosz]

Those 10 EMS points from Chobat really helped me achieve the deep ending.

[blacqout]

The only people i see claiming to be somehow better than others in this thread, are those that didn't like the ending.

[StElmo]

blacqout wrote...

The only people i see claiming to be somehow better than others in this thread, are those that didn't like the ending.

How so?

[blacqout]

StElmo wrote...

blacqout wrote...

The only people i see claiming to be somehow better than others in this thread, are those that didn't like the ending.

How so?

You posted a thread attempting to denigrate those of us that were satisfied with the way the game concluded. Basically, you're suggesting that we're all psuedo-intellectuals.

[111987]

From what I've seen, the people who aren't just trolls like the thinking behind the endings, but not necessarily the execution.

[David7204]

No offense, but does anyone else pick up on the irony of someone saying appealing to obscurity is bad by posting a quote from an author most people are vaguely familier with but nobody has actually read?

Not that the point is invalid.

Modifié par David7204, 07 mai 2012 - 02:01 .

[Animositisomina]

Modifié par Animositisomina, 07 mai 2012 - 02:47 .

[SetecAstronomy]

111987 wrote...

From what I've seen, the people who aren't just trolls like the thinking behind the endings, but not necessarily the execution.

This. I love the concepts, and if they had reverse-engineered them throughout the entire game, there would prob. be a lot less whinging.

[blacqout]

Animositisomina wrote...

David7204 wrote...

No offense, by does anyone else pick up on the irony of someone saying appealing to obscurity is bad by posting a quote from an author most people are vaguely familier with but nobody has actually read?

Not that the point is invalid.

The copies of his books I own would have to disagree with you.

It would appear that neither you nor your books understand irony, then. 

If you're saying that you have read the books, and think that's a valid reply, then you didn't understand the question.

Your need to appear as though you read philosphy (/appear deep) has been noted.

Modifié par blacqout, 07 mai 2012 - 02:07 .

[dmonorato]

blacqout wrote...

StElmo wrote...

blacqout wrote...

The only people i see claiming to be somehow better than others in this thread, are those that didn't like the ending.

How so?

You posted a thread attempting to denigrate those of us that were satisfied with the way the game concluded. Basically, you're suggesting that we're all psuedo-intellectuals.

I don't think he's doing that at all, as a matter of fact most of the Pro-end post I have read degenerate into to " if you don't understand the endings your dumb" Usually posted by someone with "Sheppard deserves better fans" in their sig.

We have all seen numerous post (too many to count) on why the endings suck, don't make sense, have plot holes or whatever. What I have yet to see is a post by any pro-ender that explains why they thought the ending was good,and how they were able to explain away all the plot holes and inconsistencies with out massive speculation on what Bioware was attempting to say in thier ending.

[David7204]

Animositisomina wrote...

David7204 wrote...

No offense, by does anyone else pick up on the irony of someone saying appealing to obscurity is bad by posting a quote from an author most people are vaguely familier with but nobody has actually read?

Not that the point is invalid.

The copies of his books I own would have to disagree with you.

It's an obscure book to the general population, regardless of whether you've read it or not.

[Animositisomina]

Modifié par Animositisomina, 07 mai 2012 - 02:10 .

[ardensia]

Animositisomina wrote...

I think Friedrich Nietzsche summed it up best with this:

"Being deep and appearing deep. -- Whoever knows he is deep, strives for clarity; whoever would like to appear deep to the crowd, strives for obscurity. For the crowd considers anything deep if only it cannot see to the bottom: the crowd is so timid and afraid of going into the water."

The first half, in bold, applies to this whole mess quite well.

A lot of the "pro-ending" crowd has tried very hard to provide clarity regarding why they made their choices and why they are, to varying degrees, satisfied with the ending as it stands. Additionally, most pro-enders aren't against the release of the upcoming clarification DLC.

Now, if you want to take this quote and apply it to the writing at the end of ME3 rather than to the pro-ending crowd, I'm not going to put up much fuss there. Its intentions may have seemed clear to some, but obviously they weren't clear to the majority. But again, BioWare is releasing the EC to address this, so maybe it doesn't quite apply there, either.

[Animositisomina]

Modifié par Animositisomina, 07 mai 2012 - 02:47 .

[JSwisha]

I only know of one person that thought the ending was decent for what it was, and didn't understand why it had received so much hate and criticism. He didn't play ME1 or ME2 however, and once I explained some of the stuff that happened in those games, he started to realize why the majority of fans weren't satisfied.

I honestly don't see how it's possible for any fan that's played the entire series to be content with the ending we received.

[blacqout]

dmonorato wrote...

blacqout wrote...

StElmo wrote...

blacqout wrote...

The only people i see claiming to be somehow better than others in this thread, are those that didn't like the ending.

How so?

You posted a thread attempting to denigrate those of us that were satisfied with the way the game concluded. Basically, you're suggesting that we're all psuedo-intellectuals.

I don't think he's doing that at all, as a matter of fact most of the Pro-end post I have read degenerate into to " if you don't understand the endings your dumb" Usually posted by someone with "Sheppard deserves better fans" in their sig.

We have all seen numerous post (too many to count) on why the endings suck, don't make sense, have plot holes or whatever. What I have yet to see is a post by any pro-ender that explains why they thought the ending was good,and how they were able to explain away all the plot holes and inconsistencies with out massive speculation on what Bioware was attempting to say in thier ending.

That's probably because threads complaining about the endings appear in such vast quantities that those of us that understood not just the ending, but the entire trilogy, are not always around or willing to go over it again for the upteenth time.

I'm yet to see a "plot hole" that can't be explained easily.