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[I.leary]

StElmo wrote...

I'm yet to see someone who liked the ending on a very basic "yeah I'm satisfied with that" level.

I.Leary. Nice to meet you. 
I posted my reasons for liking the ending in a few threads which are available at the Pro-Ending Compendium. Do check it out, if you can. Maybe it will change your mind. 

[blacqout]

Animositisomina wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Your need to appear as though you read philosphy (/appear deep) has been noted.

And your need to, rather pointlessly, attack and deride others and act like a complete asshole has been noted. Congrats on trying to prove you're so superior to me.

There was nothing pointless about the comment. You posted a quote signalling that you were in agreement with the OP. I highlighted how you're a bit of a hypocrite.

[Animositisomina]

Modifié par Animositisomina, 07 mai 2012 - 02:48 .

[FatalX7.0]

Anyone who says the ending is "deep" is obviously making a typo. 'R' and 'E' are right beside each other on the keyboard.

What they're trying to say is that the ending is derp.

[nategator]

Wait, I'm confused. So who are more deep? IT or pro-BW ending? Or is the deep discussions only on ign?

[GLR-0053]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Anyone who says the ending is "deep" is obviously making a typo. 'R' and 'E' are right beside each other on the keyboard.

What they're trying to say is that the ending is derp.

Did someone say Derp?

[StElmo]

blacqout wrote...

StElmo wrote...

blacqout wrote...

The only people i see claiming to be somehow better than others in this thread, are those that didn't like the ending.

How so?

You posted a thread attempting to denigrate those of us that were satisfied with the way the game concluded. Basically, you're suggesting that we're all psuedo-intellectuals.

Not at all, notice the thread title is a question. Feel free to prove you are not a pseudo intellectual.

[StElmo]

111987 wrote...

From what I've seen, the people who aren't just trolls like the thinking behind the endings, but not necessarily the execution.

Fair point. But please elaborate on "the thinking"

[blacqout]

Animositisomina wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Animositisomina wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Your need to appear as though you read philosphy (/appear deep) has been noted.

And your need to, rather pointlessly, attack and deride others and act like a complete asshole has been noted. Congrats on trying to prove you're so superior to me.

There was nothing pointless about the comment. You posted a quote signalling that you were in agreement with the OP. I highlighted how you're a bit of a hypocrite.

And I highlighted that you're a ******. Time to move on.

That is uncalled for.

My comment was on topic. I was demonstrating how people on both sides of this particular fence attempt to give the impression that they are deep.

It's funny that you went from quoting philosophers to childish insults within the space of four posts.

[StElmo]

blacqout wrote...

Animositisomina wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Animositisomina wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Your need to appear as though you read philosphy (/appear deep) has been noted.

And your need to, rather pointlessly, attack and deride others and act like a complete asshole has been noted. Congrats on trying to prove you're so superior to me.

There was nothing pointless about the comment. You posted a quote signalling that you were in agreement with the OP. I highlighted how you're a bit of a hypocrite.

And I highlighted that you're a ******. Time to move on.

That is uncalled for.

My comment was on topic. I was demonstrating how people on both sides of this particular fence attempt to give the impression that they are deep.

It's funny that you went from quoting philosophers to childish insults within the space of four posts.

Lol. Come now, lets keep it pleasent.

[Animositisomina]

Modifié par Animositisomina, 07 mai 2012 - 02:48 .

[blacqout]

Animositisomina wrote...
I wasn't trying to "appear deep" -- I was posting a quote I felt was relevant. That's all. For whatever reason, you decided to attack and insult me for this. Whether you think it's funny or not, just keep in mind that you attacked me first. You were the instigator here... but I'm sure you'll find a way to twist that around too. I wouldn't be so fast to assume the moral high-ground here. All you've managed to do thus far is troll me for one damn quote.

That is not what i was doing at all. Your first post in this thread was excellent.

Your second let you down a little. You clearly demonstrated a desire to make it known that you own several philosophy books. That is to say that you wish to appear deep. 

That both pro-enders and "retakers" do this, is something worth considering. Honestly, even before the ending controversy, this forum was plagued by pseudo-intellectuals and people wishing to appear more intelligent than they really are. 

I find it amusing to keep track of how many members of the BSN use the phrase "in and of itself" each time i visit. That's always a giveaway. 

[Animositisomina]

blacqout wrote...

Animositisomina wrote...
I wasn't trying to "appear deep" -- I was posting a quote I felt was relevant. That's all. For whatever reason, you decided to attack and insult me for this. Whether you think it's funny or not, just keep in mind that you attacked me first. You were the instigator here... but I'm sure you'll find a way to twist that around too. I wouldn't be so fast to assume the moral high-ground here. All you've managed to do thus far is troll me for one damn quote.

That is not what i was doing at all. Your first post in this thread was excellent.

Your second let you down a little. You clearly demonstrated a desire to make it known that you own several philosophy books. That is to say that you wish to appear deep. 

That both pro-enders and "retakers" do this, is something worth considering. Honestly, even before the ending controversy, this forum was plagued by pseudo-intellectuals and people wishing to appear more intelligent than they really are. 

I find it amusing to keep track of how many members of the BSN use the phrase "in and of itself" each time i visit. That's always a giveaway. 

You are free to (mis)interpret my posts all you wish. The simple fact remains that you said I was a moron for not having actually read any of his books, even though I have. My ONLY point was that you know nothing about me. I have read some of his works, that's ALL I was getting at. Nothing else was meant by this. I was not trying to somehow prove I'm "deep" or whatever the hell you want to call it. You said I haven't read his work, I said I have. Case closed, end of story.

I'm sorry that you feel the need to continue bashing and degrading me for this... but I really meant no harm in simply clarifying that I have read some of his work. That's all it was. I have also read several cook books. Does that mean I'm trying to prove I'm the world's greatest chef? No. It means I read a book. Big deal.

Modifié par Animositisomina, 07 mai 2012 - 02:32 .

[blacqout]

Animositisomina wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Animositisomina wrote...
I wasn't trying to "appear deep" -- I was posting a quote I felt was relevant. That's all. For whatever reason, you decided to attack and insult me for this. Whether you think it's funny or not, just keep in mind that you attacked me first. You were the instigator here... but I'm sure you'll find a way to twist that around too. I wouldn't be so fast to assume the moral high-ground here. All you've managed to do thus far is troll me for one damn quote.

That is not what i was doing at all. Your first post in this thread was excellent.

Your second let you down a little. You clearly demonstrated a desire to make it known that you own several philosophy books. That is to say that you wish to appear deep. 

That both pro-enders and "retakers" do this, is something worth considering. Honestly, even before the ending controversy, this forum was plagued by pseudo-intellectuals and people wishing to appear more intelligent than they really are. 

I find it amusing to keep track of how many members of the BSN use the phrase "in and of itself" each time i visit. That's always a giveaway. 

You are free to (mis)interpret my posts all you wish. The simple fact remains that you said I was a moron for not having actually read any of his books, even though I have. My ONLY point was that you know nothing about me. I have read some of his works, that's ALL I was getting at. Nothing else was meant by this. I was not trying to somehow prove I'm "deep" or whatever the hell you want to call it. You said I haven't read his work, I said I have. Case closed, end of story.

I'm sorry that you feel the need to continue bashing and degrading me for this... but I really meant no harm in simply clarifying that I have read some of his work. That's all it was.

I neither said nor implied that you hadn't read his books. To pull out that quote so quickly would imply that you're at least a little familiar with his work. I don't think that anyone has doubted this... one guy just pointed out the irony of the situation. 

Your response to said guy did not make sense. The way that you forced a comment of your own, reiterating that you have read some philosophy, really did make it look as though you were striving to appear deep.

[Animositisomina]

blacqout wrote...

-snip-

I can prove I'm not deep in the least, nor am I attempting to be: this whole time I thought you  were the guy I initially replied to about having read Nietzsche's work. I didn't even realize it was someone else until now. So I don't think anyone is going to mistake me for an intellectual anytime soon. And yes, I feel like a complete ass for what I've said to you... when you weren't even the guy I thought I was disagreeing with.

I'll just go kill myself now.



Seriously though, my only intent was to say that I have read some of his work and that I wasn't just randomly spouting a quote I knew nothing about. I don't think it makes me deep or hyper-intellectual... it just means I've read the book the quotation came from. Apparently it did not come across this way, however.

Modifié par Animositisomina, 07 mai 2012 - 02:51 .

[111987]

StElmo wrote...

111987 wrote...

From what I've seen, the people who aren't just trolls like the thinking behind the endings, but not necessarily the execution.

Fair point. But please elaborate on "the thinking"

Well, maybe they like the difficulty of the decision, and the moral ambiguity of it. Different people will vehemently denounce some endings while others will argue that that ending is the only good one. Maybe they like the idea that Shepard has to sacrifice himself for the greater good. I think different people will give you different answers.

[Lookout1390]

There is nothing 'deep' about the ending.

There was nothing to 'get'.

It was horrible writing, in a rushed game.

[blacqout]

Animositisomina wrote...

blacqout wrote...

-snip-

I can prove I'm not deep in the least, nor am I attempting to be: this whole time I thought you  were the guy I initially replied to about having read Nietzsche's work. I didn't even realize it was someone else until now. So I don't think anyone is going to mistake me for an intellectual anytime soon. And yes, I feel like a complete ass for what I've said to you... when you weren't even the guy I thought I was disagreeing with.

I'll just go kill myself now.

Oh, don't worry about it; we all make small errors.

And don't be so down on yourself. The plaudits received for the Nietzshe quote were well-earned. 

But still, my point is that the wishing to appear deep thing does go both ways. 

[webhead921]

Check out the pro-ending compendium thread if you want to see some of the positive response toward the ending. I don't feel a need to be "deep" or "pseudo" intellectual. I'm proud of my academic and professional accomplishments, but that has nothing to do with my enjoyment of mass effect. Mass Effect is not very deep. It's fun and entertaining, and I was entertained throughout the series, even at the end.  

I loved the Avengers.  I'm a huge comic book fan, and that was one of the best movies I've seen this year in theaters.  It was not deep in any way whatosever.  It was entertaining and had great characters.  The same applies to Mass Effect.  

Modifié par webhead921, 07 mai 2012 - 03:04 .

[Animositisomina]

blacqout wrote...

Oh, don't worry about it; we all make small errors.

And don't be so down on yourself. The plaudits received for the Nietzshe quote were well-earned. 

But still, my point is that the wishing to appear deep thing does go both ways. 

Well, I can definitely say now that I see how it could be funny to post something like a quote from Nietzsche... while mere moments later completely misunderstanding someone else's innocent reply; which reading it again wasn't even intended the way I took it (as an insult, rather than a comment on the obscurity of Nietzsche's work).



That said, let's get back on topic...

Modifié par Animositisomina, 07 mai 2012 - 03:03 .

[Wabajakka]

spiros9110 wrote...

Those 10 EMS points from Chobat really helped me achieve the deep ending.

+1

[CaptFrost]

Animositisomina wrote...

I think Friedrich Nietzsche summed it up best with this:

"Being deep and appearing deep. -- Whoever knows he is deep, strives for clarity; whoever would like to appear deep to the crowd, strives for obscurity. For the crowd considers anything deep if only it cannot see to the bottom: the crowd is so timid and afraid of going into the water."

The first half, in bold, applies to this whole mess quite well.

Oh so true.

True Deep: Stays up some nights reading and trying to ponder the meaning of life, and place in the universe, where we're going as a whole. Doesn't tell people about it.

Faux Deep: Pretends to like obscure garbage, probably wears some idiotic "Love/Hate" necklace and tells people it shows the duality of life, crap like that. In reality, is only after the next source of amusement and desperately wants to be accepted by a crowd as having substance.

Modifié par CaptFrost, 07 mai 2012 - 03:06 .

[ShepnTali]

'Culling... preservation' and 'Yo Dawg' seem to pretty much say the same thing, but culling and preservation sounds more sophisticated.

[TheInvicibleCandyBar]

webhead921 wrote...

Check out the pro-ending compendium thread if you want to see some of the positive response toward the ending. I don't feel a need to be "deep" or "pseudo" intellectual. I'm proud of my academic and professional accomplishments, but that has nothing to do with my enjoyment of mass effect. Mass Effect is not very deep. It's fun and entertaining, and I was entertained throughout the series, even at the end.  

I loved the Avengers.  I'm a huge comic book fan, and that was one of the best movies I've seen this year in theaters.  It was not deep in any way whatosever.  It was entertaining and had great characters.  The same applies to Mass Effect.  

I agree with most of youre points, Avengers and Mass Effect are not very deep (but both are damn good!). I think the deepest me got was the genophage and a.i. issues. But that is my problem with the ending: they tried to make me3 into some super deep intilectual debate in the last ten minutes. And that is not how the me series has been for the first two games and most of me3. It just feels... tacky.

[H2Ape]

I like the ending because it's better than a conventional victory and it changes the entire ME universe in an interesting way.