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[Deathstroke123]

mauro2222 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Hmmm... so the ending of the trilogy became fan fiction now? Interesting.

My headcannon: The galaxy exploded because some random higher entity farted.
You're all dumb, it's so easy to understand the deep meaning of the ending!

If your perception of the ending is that shallow, you either

A: Haven't tried to put any thought behind it (like I said).

B: Are extremely bitter and stubborn.

or C: Are really just stupid. Dunno how I can put that any nicer.

Also, thanks for using the 'Deep' excuse again, when I said in the very first sentence that it wasn't deep as that wasn't the purpose. Try again.

What "thought behind it"? there is nothing behind it... that's your mind making fan fiction like the IT.

I could give 100 explanations based on imagination as to why Shepard is on earth after the Citadel exploded and all of them are nosense... because there is no logical explanation for that.

But look: you just answered your own question.

The ending stopped where it did for a purpose, to leave the rest to the fans. Biowares other choice was to force a canon ending on us, which inevitably people would've hated as well. It's a lose/lose situation with this community, every single time. Need proof? Look back at the Mako, and inventory management, and planet exploration.

All the same... all the same.

[KosakNZ]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

KosakNZ wrote...

Without IT the ending has nothing, it's complete nonsense. With IT it's unfinished, which also sucks for obvious reasons.

Many people demanding a better ending don't want clarification, we want a thematically appropriate ending, and ending that actually makes sense. Or if we go with IT, we actually just want there to be an ending.

Compared to the bigger issues with the ending the fact that we don't find out much of what happens after the choice we make is an absolute non-issue.

That's completely false.

Wrong it's completely true :happy:.

Seriously I've never seen someone satisfactorarily address my problems with the ending, and I've read a lot of bickering about it (perhaps not as much as others though).

Modifié par KosakNZ, 07 mai 2012 - 07:07 .

[mauro2222]

balance5050 wrote...

It's implied by "the arrival" DLC, but, y'know, speculations from everyone!

Nah, they changed it. Now the relays are turned off.

[Muhkida]

Deathstroke123 wrote...

You know how lord of the rings did end? The exact way that people are asking that ME3 be ended, by showing EVERY little thing that happens afterword, and guess what? That was, by far, the more criticized part of Return of The King, the fact that they took a whole 45 minutes (oi vey) to show everyone going back home, settling down, yatta yatta yatta, when it really wasn't needed, because you know that they're alive when the ring is destroyed, so you can just take for granted that they turned out all right.

The reason this was so criticized was because it made the ending seem less important. The movie reached it's climax far too early, so for the next 45 minutes, you're sitting there going "Ok, so everyone goes back home and lives happily ever after, I get it, just end already!". The big bad is gone, so there's no more tension or excitement. If the movie ended with the ring being destroyed and a scene with the fellowship saying a few last words and heading in different directions, it would've been a vastly superior ending.

I actually like the detailed ending in the Return of the King....

[balance5050]

mauro2222 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's implied by "the arrival" DLC, but, y'know, speculations from everyone!

Nah, they changed it. Now the relays are turned off.

I saw debris fly off of them, they do more than "turn off". They overload at the least.

[Deathstroke123]

KosakNZ wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

KosakNZ wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

You aren't stupid because the ending is meant to be deep; You're stupid because you're taking the ending at face value and completely ignoring all of the games foreshadowing.

Here's some homework: Watch the movies Blade Runner and Minority Report. Both are exemplary sci fi films that the genre proudly embraces, and they have just as open endings as ME3 did.

In all cases, the point is to be interpretive. All the theories being made about the ending is the desired response. It allows people to craft their own canon ending without the ending forcing a canon ending on them. With BR's and MR's ending, the fans saw this and embraced them, coming up with many ideas about what happened after the credits rolled. Each believes their ending to be the correct one, and overall, most people were satisfied.

Then ME3 came out and proved to me once and for all that Bioware fans collectively are pretty ****ing stupid; The ones who came up with and support the Indoctrination Theory are an exception, as they got the point of the ending, to draw upon clues and make your own conclusion. For those with on iota of creativity, this isn't a problem. Others, however, need to be hand held and have every little thing explained to them: Did so and so retire? Did so and so get married? Did so and so get a house on the beach and a puppy? Get ****ing real. Bioware's job isn't to animate your fan fiction.

So now, the consensus of the BSN has forced Biowares hand, and now, to satisfy you petulant whiners, the clarification DLC that they're going to release may very well replace the current ending (in which you actually have to use a scrap of brain power for and think about it) with a cliche "The universe defeats the Reapers with the power of love and friendship and everyone lived idyllic happy little lives for all eternity, the end" ending. GG, guys. GG.

Without IT the ending has nothing, it's complete nonsense. With IT it's unfinished, which also sucks for obvious reasons.

Many people demanding a better ending don't want clarification, we want a thematically appropriate ending, and ending that actually makes sense. Or if we go with IT, we actually just want there to be an ending.

Compared to the bigger issues with the ending the fact that we don't find out much of what happens after the choice we make is an absolute non-issue.

The way I see it, your choices were shown along the way. Yes, some extra cutscenes here and there would be nice, but for me, they weren't nessesary. By the time I arrived at Earth, in my mind I was well aware of the fact that I cured the genophage, gave the rachni a chance to redeem themselves as a species, helped the quarians and geth find peace, avenged Thane, etc. The game didn't really need to show me these things, because I already had a sense of achievement for the act of doing them, you know? In my mind, the Krogan are repopulating and are headed towards a cultural renaissance, the rachni are earning the respect of the council races and dispelling the myth of them being savage, and the geth were helping the quarians in cultivating their once lost planet, as all of these things are heavily implied.

But w/e, that's just my take on it. If others want more cutscenes to show these choices more in depth, more power to you, but the overall fan response has been so out of proportion it's sickening. You'd have thought the ending killed their parents or something.

Seriously, did you even read my post at all?

I did, I just ignored the bit in the middle which you dropped with no explanation. Is that the part you're hung up about? Tell me then, how did the ending not make sense.

[Deathstroke123]

Muhkida wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

You know how lord of the rings did end? The exact way that people are asking that ME3 be ended, by showing EVERY little thing that happens afterword, and guess what? That was, by far, the more criticized part of Return of The King, the fact that they took a whole 45 minutes (oi vey) to show everyone going back home, settling down, yatta yatta yatta, when it really wasn't needed, because you know that they're alive when the ring is destroyed, so you can just take for granted that they turned out all right.

The reason this was so criticized was because it made the ending seem less important. The movie reached it's climax far too early, so for the next 45 minutes, you're sitting there going "Ok, so everyone goes back home and lives happily ever after, I get it, just end already!". The big bad is gone, so there's no more tension or excitement. If the movie ended with the ring being destroyed and a scene with the fellowship saying a few last words and heading in different directions, it would've been a vastly superior ending.

I actually like the detailed ending in the Return of the King....

All I recall is something about eagles, then I took a nice 30 minute nap, then I left the theater 

[Nightwriter]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

When I first saw the ending I was like "Wow...okay. That was anti-climatic." I didn't like it, but I didn't hate it. I came here to see if anybody could make any sense of it, maybe I just didn't get it. What I found was a mob of angry gamers who would tear people apart if people didn't agree with them. At first I was on the anti-ender's side, but then I noticed a lot of of uncalled for insults, many of which were based on pro-ender's intelligence. Most of the time it was unprovoked. Then people started calling BioWare lazy and started calling for people to get fired. That's when I chose my side. I didn't choose a side to be deep, I chose the side that seemed the most sane.

Why are you basing your opinion off of the attitudes of nasty fans instead of what you genuinely thought of the ending?

[xsdob]

balance5050 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

An English Gamer wrote...

To be honest I can't see how someone could like the ending. When I think of it I don't think of how senseless it is. I don't think of how all 3 ending are the same. I think of how with that ending the universe I was immersed in is now destroyed with the destruction of the Mass Relays. I think of how the crew and characters I've become attatched to are almost all going to die. I think of how stupid it seems that it ended up like this despite obvious alternatives.

How someone could like the ending when it quite frankly destroys the Mass Effect universe is beyond my comprehension.

Also to those that are like "Oh, you're not supposed to get an ultimate conclusion. You're meant to decide from your own experience what happens in the end." If Lord of the Rings ended with Frodo dissapearing over the edge in mt Doom before it cut to credits would that have been better?

You DO realize that the Relays didn't go supernova, don't you?

It's implied by "the arrival" DLC, but, y'know, speculations from everyone!

They overloaded, the lack of an asteroid to impact it should be an indication that it's not the same. An emp and an atomic explosion are not the same, both are cause by a nuclear warhead detonating however, but the effect is vastly different.

[Muhkida]

Deathstroke123 wrote...

All I recall is something about eagles, then I took a nice 30 minute nap, then I left the theater 

Ah yes, those eagles...  Why Frodo didn't just ride one from the very beginning and just dropped the ring into the volcano from the sky....well that's another topic.

[mauro2222]

Deathstroke123 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Hmmm... so the ending of the trilogy became fan fiction now? Interesting.

My headcannon: The galaxy exploded because some random higher entity farted.
You're all dumb, it's so easy to understand the deep meaning of the ending!

If your perception of the ending is that shallow, you either

A: Haven't tried to put any thought behind it (like I said).

B: Are extremely bitter and stubborn.

or C: Are really just stupid. Dunno how I can put that any nicer.

Also, thanks for using the 'Deep' excuse again, when I said in the very first sentence that it wasn't deep as that wasn't the purpose. Try again.

What "thought behind it"? there is nothing behind it... that's your mind making fan fiction like the IT.

I could give 100 explanations based on imagination as to why Shepard is on earth after the Citadel exploded and all of them are nosense... because there is no logical explanation for that.

But look: you just answered your own question.

The ending stopped where it did for a purpose, to leave the rest to the fans. Biowares other choice was to force a canon ending on us, which inevitably people would've hated as well. It's a lose/lose situation with this community, every single time. Need proof? Look back at the Mako, and inventory management, and planet exploration.

All the same... all the same.

I didn't answer my question, the ending doesn't make sense and every explanation for what happened needs less sense in order to make it better. You aren't reading well what I'm writing. If there is nothing behind it, there should be no need to make fanfiction in order to have a proper ending.

People wanted those systems to be improved, but Bioware just took them out... is obvious that they want them back.

[Johcande XX]

-sigh-

The problem here is that there are narrative inconsistencies in the ending, which can be easily rectified with minor inferences and speculation. There are individuals who like that sort of thing; however, judging by the threads, most do not.

Pro-ending may infer a winning scenario, while Anti-ending may assume everyone starves. Each groups' speculation pisses off the other, blah blah who cares. If anyone is suggesting that someone "just didn't get it, or didn't put enough thought into it" then they are idiots, and are missing the entire point of an 'open-ended' narrative. There's no right answer, it's the readers' story.

Personally, I don't like the ending. Why? Because it's the ending, . . . THE ending, I was told there'd be more than one. Some say that BW being called lazy set them off, well THE ending is what I would call lazy.

[mauro2222]

balance5050 wrote...

I saw debris fly off of them, they do more than "turn off". They overload at the least.

Don't ask me... I'm repeating what Bioware said.

[Deathstroke123]

balance5050 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's implied by "the arrival" DLC, but, y'know, speculations from everyone!

Nah, they changed it. Now the relays are turned off.

I saw debris fly off of them, they do more than "turn off". They overload at the least.

The 'explosion', if you could even call it that, was controlled and non-destructive, as it was triggered by an internal mechanism. It merely released more of the energy in the form which you have chosen.

As opposed to Arrival, where the relay is teabagged by a massive asteroid, so logically, the explosion is volatile and not at all controlled.

[balance5050]

 Strange how the beam originates from the Viper Nebula (The Arrival) and not the Sol System (where Earth is)



   

[Deathstroke123]

Muhkida wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

All I recall is something about eagles, then I took a nice 30 minute nap, then I left the theater 

Ah yes, those eagles...  Why Frodo didn't just ride one from the very beginning and just dropped the ring into the volcano from the sky....well that's another topic.

WTF TOLKIEN/JACKSON, THIS ENDING HAS HUGE PLOT HOLES, YOU'VE RUINED THE WHOLE SERIES SOMEHOW.

RETAKE MIDDLE EARTH.

[mauro2222]

Muhkida wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

All I recall is something about eagles, then I took a nice 30 minute nap, then I left the theater 

Ah yes, those eagles...  Why Frodo didn't just ride one from the very beginning and just dropped the ring into the volcano from the sky....well that's another topic.

Nazgul and hundreds of fell beasts.

[xsdob]

No energy mean no gravitational pull to hold the unconnected pieces together. Thus the inertial force of them spinning and the kinetic force from shooting the large burst of energy made them slowly drift apart in the gravity and friction free environments of space.

College entry level physics make me see it this way.

[Clayless]

mauro2222 wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

All I recall is something about eagles, then I took a nice 30 minute nap, then I left the theater 

Ah yes, those eagles...  Why Frodo didn't just ride one from the very beginning and just dropped the ring into the volcano from the sky....well that's another topic.

Nazgul and hundreds of fell beasts.

You mean those same creatures that Gandalf easily repelled with 1 of the 3 spells he used throughout all the films?

[KingKhan03]

Deathstroke123 wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

All I recall is something about eagles, then I took a nice 30 minute nap, then I left the theater 

Ah yes, those eagles...  Why Frodo didn't just ride one from the very beginning and just dropped the ring into the volcano from the sky....well that's another topic.

WTF TOLKIEN/JACKSON, THIS ENDING HAS HUGE PLOT HOLES, YOU'VE RUINED THE WHOLE SERIES SOMEHOW.

RETAKE MIDDLE EARTH.

Yeahh I don't think ME3 is any better.

[Deathstroke123]

Nightwriter wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

When I first saw the ending I was like "Wow...okay. That was anti-climatic." I didn't like it, but I didn't hate it. I came here to see if anybody could make any sense of it, maybe I just didn't get it. What I found was a mob of angry gamers who would tear people apart if people didn't agree with them. At first I was on the anti-ender's side, but then I noticed a lot of of uncalled for insults, many of which were based on pro-ender's intelligence. Most of the time it was unprovoked. Then people started calling BioWare lazy and started calling for people to get fired. That's when I chose my side. I didn't choose a side to be deep, I chose the side that seemed the most sane.

Why are you basing your opinion off of the attitudes of nasty fans instead of what you genuinely thought of the ending?

If he was like me, he was so repulsed by the unjustified response that he began to seek ways to disassociate with the crowd, and what better way to do that then to look at the ending with a new perspective and find something you might've missed?

Modifié par Deathstroke123, 07 mai 2012 - 07:23 .

[balance5050]

xsdob wrote...

No energy mean no gravitational pull to hold the unconnected pieces together. Thus the inertial force of them spinning and the kinetic force from shooting the large burst of energy made them slowly drift apart in the gravity and friction free environments of space.

College entry level physics make me see it this way.

The energy (several supernovas worth) contained within has to go somewhere though, does the last relay just shoot it out into darkspace?

Modifié par balance5050, 07 mai 2012 - 07:21 .

[xsdob]

balance5050 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

No energy mean no gravitational pull to hold the unconnected pieces together. Thus the inertial force of them spinning and the kinetic force from shooting the large burst of energy made them slowly drift apart in the gravity and friction free environments of space.

College entry level physics make me see it this way.

The energy (several supernovas worth) contained within has to go somewhere though, does the last relay just shoot it out into darkspace?

Could be that the energy inside the relays is used up creating the localized energy field seen, the emp like effect, and that the energy is burned off so rapidly that it leaves the relays literally dead in space in a matter of moments, a few chemicals and espically alkiline metals have this kind of reaction in water, a lot of energy is dispersed in a matter of seconds.

Basically in my view it converts the dark energy into the new type of energy that causes the ending choices effect to take place, and that what's left is simply an empty shell with nothing to hold it together.

Modifié par xsdob, 07 mai 2012 - 07:25 .