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[CSunkyst]

shurikenmanta wrote...

iakus wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

iakus wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Waste of time? Hardly. You played the game. You had fun doing it.

And ten minutes can only ruin a game if you allow it to.

What's worse than finding a worm in an apple?
Finding half a worm.

The ending was half a worm.

Not to me it wasn't.

And I'm happy for you.

But clearly many others think differently.  Showing that, yes, the last ten minutes can indeed ruin a game.

If you let it.

I'll repeat myself in case you missed it...

That is the dumbest thing I've read all week.  You can't "choose" to
like or dislike an emotional reaction.  You either like it, or you
don't.   For one, only dumb fans "choose" to like something, no matter
what, just because it has their favorite franchise's logo plastered on
it.  Second, we're not talking about a puzzle game, or a side scrolling
shoot'em up.  The narrative experience is at the core of what most fans
like about Mass Effect, and the last 10 minutes ruins the narrative for
over 90% of the fans. 

So tell me, after the heart of everything
I liked about Mas Effect has been cut out, how the heck can I "choose"
to like that?   Heck, even if I could, WHY should I "choose" to like
that???

[shurikenmanta]

Uber Rod wrote...

I wonder if those who feel that the last 10 minutes of the game can't ruin the game never really got into the story? I wonder if they were there just to run around and shoot things and are happiest where the story can be weak as possible just to string together combat sequences? If you don't care about how nonsensical and badly written a game is as long as the combat mechanics are cool and the visuals are decent, then I can see how you are fine with the ending we got.

But for me I really cared about the story and got really invested in it. So yes, for me the whole game is ruined because of a pointless and absurd ending. I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can defend such a badly written ending, one that breaks all the rules for good narrative.

How can anyone truly invested in the story be okay with the ending?

I probably got into it as much, if not more so, than most people here. The Leviathan of Dis, the First Contact War, the origins of the Reapers going back millions of years, the history of the council, the Protheans, I don't ignore these things. I read the codex like everyone else. I agonised over losing people at the end of 2.

Guys, the 'people who aren't diehard angry are casuals' argument is full of holes, it's getting old, and quite frankly it's the reason people don't like diehards.

[Bill Casey]

It clearly can, because there are many examples of it doing so...
People who say it can't because they haven't experienced it themselves are being ignorant of those around them...

[Uber Rod]

kaztas wrote...

Imagine eating a delicious bowl of soup. Then you get to the last spoonful and notice a dead roach in it. The Chef coming out and telling me how it got there and the reason behind it doesn't take away the fact the soup is always ruined. Nor will having another another bowl, (being guaranteed that too will have a roach at the bottom of it)

Love this analogy! Really hits the nail on the head.

[shurikenmanta]

CSunkyst wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

iakus wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

iakus wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Waste of time? Hardly. You played the game. You had fun doing it.

And ten minutes can only ruin a game if you allow it to.

What's worse than finding a worm in an apple?
Finding half a worm.

The ending was half a worm.

Not to me it wasn't.

And I'm happy for you.

But clearly many others think differently.  Showing that, yes, the last ten minutes can indeed ruin a game.

If you let it.

I'll repeat myself in case you missed it...

That is the dumbest thing I've read all week.  You can't "choose" to
like or dislike an emotional reaction.  You either like it, or you
don't.   For one, only dumb fans "choose" to like something, no matter
what, just because it has their favorite franchise's logo plastered on
it.  Second, we're not talking about a puzzle game, or a side scrolling
shoot'em up.  The narrative experience is at the core of what most fans
like about Mass Effect, and the last 10 minutes ruins the narrative for
over 90% of the fans. 

So tell me, after the heart of everything
I liked about Mas Effect has been cut out, how the heck can I "choose"
to like that?   Heck, even if I could, WHY should I "choose" to like
that???

Read what I've actually been saying rather than project your distaste with ending-likers onto me, then try again. I never said you had to like the ending. I said that you can choose whether or not to throw 100 hours of fun out the window based off that, and I stand by it, and I don't particularly care how dumb you think it is.

Ready for some heartattack-inducing news? I didn't like the ending. I didn't know *what* to think after it. I was disappointed. But then I realised that for 90 hours, I had the ride of my life.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 07 mai 2012 - 03:00 .

[Iakus]

shurikenmanta wrote...

If you let it.

You don't choose what you like or dislike.    Many of us find the ending aesthetically displeasing, ugly, so bad that it eclipses all the fun that came before it.  I can''t go back to the game knowing what oies at the end, knowing that all the preparation, all the dialogue, all the events that took place across the entire trilogy amounts to nothing.  Pwning Cerbies smply isnt' enough for me

I'm not "letting it" spoil the game.  I want to enjoy the game.  But I cannot.  I can't even go back to the other ME games.  I can't go on that journey knowing where it ends.

[CSunkyst]

shurikenmanta wrote...

Uber Rod wrote...

I wonder if those who feel that the last 10 minutes of the game can't ruin the game never really got into the story? I wonder if they were there just to run around and shoot things and are happiest where the story can be weak as possible just to string together combat sequences? If you don't care about how nonsensical and badly written a game is as long as the combat mechanics are cool and the visuals are decent, then I can see how you are fine with the ending we got.

But for me I really cared about the story and got really invested in it. So yes, for me the whole game is ruined because of a pointless and absurd ending. I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can defend such a badly written ending, one that breaks all the rules for good narrative.

How can anyone truly invested in the story be okay with the ending?

I probably got into it as much, if not more so, than most people here. The Leviathan of Dis, the First Contact War, the origins of the Reapers going back millions of years, the history of the council, the Protheans, I don't ignore these things. I read the codex like everyone else. I agonised over losing people at the end of 2.

Guys, the 'people who aren't diehard angry are casuals' argument is full of holes, it's getting old, and quite frankly it's the reason people don't like diehards.

Then why are you telling everbody they should "choose" to like a story that pulls a Hindenberg in the last 10 minutes because for 20 hours it was a really good shooter? 

You're contradicting yourself. 

[Averdi]

Ruined both the game and pretty much the franchise for me.

When I think now about all the great things in the ME series, my thoughts leap to the obvious contrast between those and the ending, with all the accompanying disappointment.

In many ways, it's really rather amazing, what the writers accomplished with the ending.

[shurikenmanta]

CSunkyst wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Uber Rod wrote...

I wonder if those who feel that the last 10 minutes of the game can't ruin the game never really got into the story? I wonder if they were there just to run around and shoot things and are happiest where the story can be weak as possible just to string together combat sequences? If you don't care about how nonsensical and badly written a game is as long as the combat mechanics are cool and the visuals are decent, then I can see how you are fine with the ending we got.

But for me I really cared about the story and got really invested in it. So yes, for me the whole game is ruined because of a pointless and absurd ending. I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can defend such a badly written ending, one that breaks all the rules for good narrative.

How can anyone truly invested in the story be okay with the ending?

I probably got into it as much, if not more so, than most people here. The Leviathan of Dis, the First Contact War, the origins of the Reapers going back millions of years, the history of the council, the Protheans, I don't ignore these things. I read the codex like everyone else. I agonised over losing people at the end of 2.

Guys, the 'people who aren't diehard angry are casuals' argument is full of holes, it's getting old, and quite frankly it's the reason people don't like diehards.

Then why are you telling everbody they should "choose" to like a story that pulls a Hindenberg in the last 10 minutes because for 20 hours it was a really good shooter? 

You're contradicting yourself. 

Show me where I said they should choose to like the game. I said they could, if they choose to.

You can't. Because I didn't. Because you're not reading a word I'm saying and are projecting.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 07 mai 2012 - 03:01 .

[FatalX7.0]

shurikenmanta wrote...

Uber Rod wrote...

I wonder if those who feel that the last 10 minutes of the game can't ruin the game never really got into the story? I wonder if they were there just to run around and shoot things and are happiest where the story can be weak as possible just to string together combat sequences? If you don't care about how nonsensical and badly written a game is as long as the combat mechanics are cool and the visuals are decent, then I can see how you are fine with the ending we got.

But for me I really cared about the story and got really invested in it. So yes, for me the whole game is ruined because of a pointless and absurd ending. I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can defend such a badly written ending, one that breaks all the rules for good narrative.

How can anyone truly invested in the story be okay with the ending?

I probably got into it as much, if not more so, than most people here. The Leviathan of Dis, the First Contact War, the origins of the Reapers going back millions of years, the history of the council, the Protheans, I don't ignore these things. I read the codex like everyone else. I agonised over losing people at the end of 2.

Guys, the 'people who aren't diehard angry are casuals' argument is full of holes, it's getting old, and quite frankly it's the reason people don't like diehards.

Who is even making this so-called "argument" of yours right now?

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 07 mai 2012 - 03:02 .

[Filby08]

I sure as hell wouldn't be here if it didn't.

I'm as sick as hell today, normally I would make myself feel better by getting my Mass Effect on. But instead I'm here, hoping for the devs to throw us some scraps about the EC, because I can't stand playing the game knowing the huge plot hole is comming.

And seeing it written down like that makes it so much sadder...

[shurikenmanta]

iakus wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

If you let it.

You don't choose what you like or dislike.    Many of us find the ending aesthetically displeasing, ugly, so bad that it eclipses all the fun that came before it.  I can''t go back to the game knowing what oies at the end, knowing that all the preparation, all the dialogue, all the events that took place across the entire trilogy amounts to nothing.  Pwning Cerbies smply isnt' enough for me

I'm not "letting it" spoil the game.  I want to enjoy the game.  But I cannot.  I can't even go back to the other ME games.  I can't go on that journey knowing where it ends.

Yes, you can. I did. Now I'm guessing I'm not all that different from the average human here.

[FatalX7.0]

shurikenmanta wrote...

CSunkyst wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Uber Rod wrote...

I wonder if those who feel that the last 10 minutes of the game can't ruin the game never really got into the story? I wonder if they were there just to run around and shoot things and are happiest where the story can be weak as possible just to string together combat sequences? If you don't care about how nonsensical and badly written a game is as long as the combat mechanics are cool and the visuals are decent, then I can see how you are fine with the ending we got.

But for me I really cared about the story and got really invested in it. So yes, for me the whole game is ruined because of a pointless and absurd ending. I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can defend such a badly written ending, one that breaks all the rules for good narrative.

How can anyone truly invested in the story be okay with the ending?

I probably got into it as much, if not more so, than most people here. The Leviathan of Dis, the First Contact War, the origins of the Reapers going back millions of years, the history of the council, the Protheans, I don't ignore these things. I read the codex like everyone else. I agonised over losing people at the end of 2.

Guys, the 'people who aren't diehard angry are casuals' argument is full of holes, it's getting old, and quite frankly it's the reason people don't like diehards.

Then why are you telling everbody they should "choose" to like a story that pulls a Hindenberg in the last 10 minutes because for 20 hours it was a really good shooter? 

You're contradicting yourself. 

Show me where I said they should choose to like the game. I said they could, if they choose to.

You can't. Because I didn't. Because you're not reading a word I'm saying and are projecting.

Wha...

wat.

[shurikenmanta]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

CSunkyst wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Uber Rod wrote...

I wonder if those who feel that the last 10 minutes of the game can't ruin the game never really got into the story? I wonder if they were there just to run around and shoot things and are happiest where the story can be weak as possible just to string together combat sequences? If you don't care about how nonsensical and badly written a game is as long as the combat mechanics are cool and the visuals are decent, then I can see how you are fine with the ending we got.

But for me I really cared about the story and got really invested in it. So yes, for me the whole game is ruined because of a pointless and absurd ending. I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can defend such a badly written ending, one that breaks all the rules for good narrative.

How can anyone truly invested in the story be okay with the ending?

I probably got into it as much, if not more so, than most people here. The Leviathan of Dis, the First Contact War, the origins of the Reapers going back millions of years, the history of the council, the Protheans, I don't ignore these things. I read the codex like everyone else. I agonised over losing people at the end of 2.

Guys, the 'people who aren't diehard angry are casuals' argument is full of holes, it's getting old, and quite frankly it's the reason people don't like diehards.

Then why are you telling everbody they should "choose" to like a story that pulls a Hindenberg in the last 10 minutes because for 20 hours it was a really good shooter? 

You're contradicting yourself. 

Show me where I said they should choose to like the game. I said they could, if they choose to.

You can't. Because I didn't. Because you're not reading a word I'm saying and are projecting.

Wha...

wat.

If you can't see the difference between those two points, I don't really know how I can explain it any more simply for you.

[CSunkyst]

shurikenmanta wrote...


Read what I've actually been saying rather than project your distaste with ending-likers onto me, then try again. I never said you had to like the ending. I said that you can choose whether or not to throw 100 hours of fun out the window based off that, and I stand by it, and I don't particularly care how dumb you think it is.

Ready for some heartattack-inducing news? I didn't like the ending. I didn't know *what* to think after it. I was disappointed. But then I realised that for 90 hours, I had the ride of my life.

It was 100 hours leading to something, you can't just divorce the rest of the story from it's climax, IMO the most important aspect of a story.  This isn't a bad episode of M.A.S.H.  This is an epic work of fiction with a tragic yet fatal flaw.  It CAN'T be separated.  The Titanic was a tragedy, not a pleasant journey with a minor little bump at the end that we can all ignore. 

[shurikenmanta]

CSunkyst wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...


Read what I've actually been saying rather than project your distaste with ending-likers onto me, then try again. I never said you had to like the ending. I said that you can choose whether or not to throw 100 hours of fun out the window based off that, and I stand by it, and I don't particularly care how dumb you think it is.

Ready for some heartattack-inducing news? I didn't like the ending. I didn't know *what* to think after it. I was disappointed. But then I realised that for 90 hours, I had the ride of my life.

It was 100 hours leading to something, you can't just divorce the rest of the story from it's climax, IMO the most important aspect of a story.  This isn't a bad episode of M.A.S.H.  This is an epic work of fiction with a tragic yet fatal flaw.  It CAN'T be separated.  The Titanic was a tragedy, not a pleasant journey with a minor little bump at the end that we can all ignore. 

And yet I enjoyed the story without liking the ending.

Guess I'm just a braindead casual, eh?

[FatalX7.0]

Did you just insult my intelligence? You freakin' as*hat.

Tell me, please, tell me how to choose to like something despite hating it. Please, I want to learn the art of choosing.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 07 mai 2012 - 03:06 .

[shurikenmanta]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Did you just insult my intelligence? You freakin' as*hat.

Tell me, please, tell me how to choose to like something despite hating it. Please, I want to learn the art of choosing.

No, I didn't. I said that I don't think I can explain it in any other terms. I didn't say that was because you were dumb.

Also, watch the personal attacks please, I believe they're a bannable offense around here. I've shown respect to you, it should not be that hard for you to show the same.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 07 mai 2012 - 03:09 .

[FatalX7.0]

shurikenmanta wrote...

CSunkyst wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...


Read what I've actually been saying rather than project your distaste with ending-likers onto me, then try again. I never said you had to like the ending. I said that you can choose whether or not to throw 100 hours of fun out the window based off that, and I stand by it, and I don't particularly care how dumb you think it is.

Ready for some heartattack-inducing news? I didn't like the ending. I didn't know *what* to think after it. I was disappointed. But then I realised that for 90 hours, I had the ride of my life.

It was 100 hours leading to something, you can't just divorce the rest of the story from it's climax, IMO the most important aspect of a story.  This isn't a bad episode of M.A.S.H.  This is an epic work of fiction with a tragic yet fatal flaw.  It CAN'T be separated.  The Titanic was a tragedy, not a pleasant journey with a minor little bump at the end that we can all ignore. 

And yet I enjoyed the story without liking the ending.

Guess I'm just a braindead casual, eh?

How did you even get that from that post?

[Iakus]

shurikenmanta wrote...

And yet I enjoyed the story without liking the ending.

Guess I'm just a braindead casual, eh?

Can't comment on that.  I don't know you.

But I can say you're not me.

[FatalX7.0]

shurikenmanta wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Did you just insult my intelligence? You freakin' as*hat.

Tell me, please, tell me how to choose to like something despite hating it. Please, I want to learn the art of choosing.

No, I didn't. I said that I don't think I can explain it in any terms. I didn't say that was because you were dumb.

Also, watch the personal attacks please, I believe they're a bannable offense around here.

Oh, please. You didn't see the Spiderman thread last night, did you?


I'm still waiting for you to teach me how to choose to like things that I don't like.

[shurikenmanta]

iakus wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

And yet I enjoyed the story without liking the ending.

Guess I'm just a braindead casual, eh?

Can't comment on that.  I don't know you.

But I can say you're not me.

But surely that's evidence that while the last ten minutes can ruin the game for some, it can't ruin it for everyone, right?

That's the issue I have - presenting subjectivity as objectivity.

[CuseGirl]

I've summoned the courage to replay the game....but once I get to Thessia, the bad writing starts and I'm hoping to god an update notification comes up and it'll change the whole thing....but I know it won't come....I watched the ending 3 or 4 days ago....it made my head hurt, seeing my custom Shep going thru that nonsense....

[shurikenmanta]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Did you just insult my intelligence? You freakin' as*hat.

Tell me, please, tell me how to choose to like something despite hating it. Please, I want to learn the art of choosing.

No, I didn't. I said that I don't think I can explain it in any terms. I didn't say that was because you were dumb.

Also, watch the personal attacks please, I believe they're a bannable offense around here.

Oh, please. You didn't see the Spiderman thread last night, did you?


I'm still waiting for you to teach me how to choose to like things that I don't like.

You'll be waiting a while, because like I said, I don't know of any other way to put my point (which you still seem to not grasp) to you.

Also, with your fairly disrespectful attitude in mind, I've decided to put the theory into practice and report your insult.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 07 mai 2012 - 03:13 .

[FatalX7.0]

shurikenmanta wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Did you just insult my intelligence? You freakin' as*hat.

Tell me, please, tell me how to choose to like something despite hating it. Please, I want to learn the art of choosing.

No, I didn't. I said that I don't think I can explain it in any terms. I didn't say that was because you were dumb.

Also, watch the personal attacks please, I believe they're a bannable offense around here.

Oh, please. You didn't see the Spiderman thread last night, did you?


I'm still waiting for you to teach me how to choose to like things that I don't like.

You'll be waiting a while, because like I said, I don't know of any other way to put my point (which you still seem to not grasp) to you.

*shakes head*

That's not even what I'm talking about.