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[paxbanana3915]

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

hmmm...No Space Magic. And no Indoctrination Theory, so that only leaves one answer...

<imagine snipped>

That made my day.

[gmboy902]

Dendio1 wrote...

Rules: you cannot use Space Magic or Indoctrination Theory as an explanation

But Space Magic is quite honestly the only feasible explanation for a ton of ending inconsistencies. It's a plot hole.

[AtlasMickey]

There's an explosion that literally goes off in Shepard's face.

Now, I've seen Shepard take some sh** to the face during gameplay, but usually when I'm near death, as Shepard appears to be, that means death– nanobots and all.

[Vox Draco]

Because...at the very moment the crucible/citadel explodes... s/he becomes...

THE SHEPARD!

May the old gods have mercy with us, for his/her wrath will be terrible...

Modifié par Vox Draco, 07 mai 2012 - 08:49 .

[Robhuzz]

gmboy902 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Rules: you cannot use Space Magic or Indoctrination Theory as an explanation

But Space Magic is quite honestly the only feasible explanation for a ton of ending inconsistencies. It's a plot hole.

Lol, it's kind of sad that the ONLY way to explain these kinds of things is to go the 'space magic' way because there simply isn't any other explanation that even remotely fits.

My explanation: It was just an easter egg rather than Shepard actually surviving. He dies. Simple. There is no way Shepard can survive the explosion of the citadel, the exposure to space vacuum (he wasn't wearing his helmet and most of his armor was blown off), the reentry into Earth's atmosphere, the landing on the ground and the citadel crashing on his face (which would've taken out the remainder of the city as well as most of Europe and render the rest of the planet uninhabitable).

[balance5050]

Robhuzz wrote...

gmboy902 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Rules: you cannot use Space Magic or Indoctrination Theory as an explanation

But Space Magic is quite honestly the only feasible explanation for a ton of ending inconsistencies. It's a plot hole.

Lol, it's kind of sad that the ONLY way to explain these kinds of things is to go the 'space magic' way because there simply isn't any other explanation that even remotely fits.

My explanation: It was just an easter egg rather than Shepard actually surviving. He dies. Simple. There is no way Shepard can survive the explosion of the citadel, the exposure to space vacuum (he wasn't wearing his helmet and most of his armor was blown off), the reentry into Earth's atmosphere, the landing on the ground and the citadel crashing on his face (which would've taken out the remainder of the city as well as most of Europe and render the rest of the planet uninhabitable).

It's more than an easter egg, the plan has always been to get people talking and start conversation. This page comes from Mac Walters notebook and it was written in an early development brainstorming session.

It was meant to cause "LOT'S OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE!!"

  

Modifié par balance5050, 07 mai 2012 - 09:01 .

[Catamantaloedis]

Shepard realistically should not have "survived" his first death. Or is magical anti-brain decay equipment standard Alliance gear now? That was space magic in itself.

Therefore there is no reason why Shepard can't simply use more magic to save himself now. In fact, he's like Shepard the White now. He can survive something which would have killed even Shepard the Grey.

[balance5050]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Shepard realistically should not have "survived" his first death. Or is magical anti-brain decay equipment standard Alliance gear now? That was space magic in itself.

Therefore there is no reason why Shepard can't simply use more magic to save himself now. In fact, he's like Shepard the White now. He can survive something which would have killed even Shepard the Grey.

He didn't "survive" in the beginning of ME2, he was dead for 2 years. Cerberus spent massive amounts of credits and utilized the best stem-cell and syntheitic research known to the galaxy. They spent half the game explaining how you were resurrected.

Not so much in this ending, where he didn't even have armor or a helmet.

[mmmpollo]

That wasn't Shepard, it was Conrad, the true hero of the galaxy. Duh.

[Catamantaloedis]

balance5050 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Shepard realistically should not have "survived" his first death. Or is magical anti-brain decay equipment standard Alliance gear now? That was space magic in itself.

Therefore there is no reason why Shepard can't simply use more magic to save himself now. In fact, he's like Shepard the White now. He can survive something which would have killed even Shepard the Grey.

He didn't "survive" in the beginning of ME2, he was dead for 2 years. Cerberus spent massive amounts of credits and utilized the best stem-cell and syntheitic research known to the galaxy. They spent half the game explaining how you were resurrected.

Not so much in this ending, where he didn't even have armor or a helmet.

Explain how he was able to retain his memories or even function as a human being? His brain should have begun decaying immediately. 

You can throw as much money at the problem as you want to. You're not going to magically bring back  decayed memories. Those things are lost forever.  

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 07 mai 2012 - 09:23 .

[DJBare]

Dendio1 wrote...

Rules: you cannot use Space Magic or Indoctrination Theory as an explanation

How did Shepard survive this:

The starbrat heroically threw itself on top of Shepard taking the blast.

Otherwise Shepard could not have survived, even if we consider the ring remaining intact, the pressure and heat from the explosion would have turned him/her into crispy toast.

[Grimwick]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Shepard realistically should not have "survived" his first death. Or is magical anti-brain decay equipment standard Alliance gear now? That was space magic in itself.

Therefore there is no reason why Shepard can't simply use more magic to save himself now. In fact, he's like Shepard the White now. He can survive something which would have killed even Shepard the Grey.

He didn't "survive" in the beginning of ME2, he was dead for 2 years. Cerberus spent massive amounts of credits and utilized the best stem-cell and syntheitic research known to the galaxy. They spent half the game explaining how you were resurrected.

Not so much in this ending, where he didn't even have armor or a helmet.

Explain how he was able to retain his memories or even function as a human being? His brain should have begun decaying immediately. 

You can throw as much money at the problem as you want to. You're not going to magically bring back  decayed memories. Those things are lost forever.  

It did decay and it did turn to mush. the difference is three things:
1) it's the future, new technologies could exist for massive brain repair/synthesis.
2) It's sci-fi, hell it was made sciency enough for it to make sense within the lore.
3) You're preconceptions about memory are wrong. Memory is permanent chemical marker which exists between interconnecting neurones. The biology is not well understood but recent breakthroughs have shown which parts of the brain are physically changing during memorising.
Bringing back memories like those of Shepard's is simply a matter of recreating the exact chemical conditions of the brain when Shepard was alive. It's a damn hard job but no way near as impossible as you state - especially because it's the future and it took them 2 damn years and state of the art biotechnology anyway. 

Instead of saying he 'retained his brain' or 'retained his memories' it would be more accurate to say that his memories were 'remade'.

Modifié par Grimwick, 07 mai 2012 - 09:29 .

[balance5050]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Shepard realistically should not have "survived" his first death. Or is magical anti-brain decay equipment standard Alliance gear now? That was space magic in itself.

Therefore there is no reason why Shepard can't simply use more magic to save himself now. In fact, he's like Shepard the White now. He can survive something which would have killed even Shepard the Grey.

He didn't "survive" in the beginning of ME2, he was dead for 2 years. Cerberus spent massive amounts of credits and utilized the best stem-cell and syntheitic research known to the galaxy. They spent half the game explaining how you were resurrected.

Not so much in this ending, where he didn't even have armor or a helmet.

Explain how he was able to retain his memories or even function as a human being? His brain should have begun decaying immediately. 

You can throw as much money at the problem as you want to. You're not going to magically bring back  decayed memories. Those things are lost forever.  

His body snap froze to -22C after impact preserving the state of his brain, and forming little to no ice crystals, which allowed the Lazerus project to be successful.

Modifié par balance5050, 07 mai 2012 - 09:30 .

[RedHotElite]

Without the use of space magic?

...

Surprise redundant shield generators? A biotic Shepard subconsciously activating a barrier? Coupled with Cerberus upgrades? At least that's my headcannon for my main!Shep and soldier!Shep with Barrier, respectively.
 

[TheClonesLegacy]

it's simple,
It was all a Dream....Because Artistic Integrity

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 07 mai 2012 - 09:32 .

[DistantUtopia]

He was thrown forward to the 24th and a half century.

[Catamantaloedis]

Shepard died from lack of oxygen, in the descent to the planet. That would have caused significant damage to his brain all over. Some of this damage is literally not repairable. If the neural connections in his mind, responsible for certain memories, reflexes , and abilities are literally gone, because they are dead and decayed, you can't just reconnect these pathways without magic. They were formed from experience, and are gone forever. You can't just recreate those experiences. 

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 07 mai 2012 - 09:52 .

[balance5050]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Shepard died from lack of oxygen, in the descent to the planet. That would have caused significant damage to his brain all over. Some of this damage is literally not repairable. If the neural connections in his mind, responsible for certain memories, reflexes , and abilities are literally gone, because they are dead and decayed, you can't just reconnect these pathways without magic. They were formed from experience, and are gone forever. You can't just recreate those experiences. 

Which is why there is still speculation as to whether  Shepard is the "same Shepard" he was before his procedure.

[Grimwick]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Shepard died from lack of oxygen, in the descent to the planet. That would have caused significant damage to his brain all over. Some of this damage is literally not repairable. If the neural connections in his mind, responsible for certain memories, reflexes , and abilities are literally gone, because they are dead and decayed, you can't just reconnect these pathways without magic. They were formed from experience, and are gone forever. You can't just recreate those experiences. 

Why not?

EVERYTHING you describe as 'experience' is just incredibly complicated chemistry. Like all good chemistry a very large part of that can be recreated.

The only thing that is 100% unfeasible is the quantum nature of chemistry at the level of the brain, it would be down to chance whether it was 100% identical but we can leave this to the fact that it is fiction.

You need to let go the misconception that memories are irretrievable, they are not as such. Your brain is nothing but a large mixture of chemicals.

[Hogge87]

Hitler survived that bunker bomb.
Some of the buildings that were underneath the Hiroshima bomb were nearly intact, with the people inside being unharmed (apart from radiation). There are many instances of people stepping on land mines and surviving, while people farther being killed instead.

In a word: it really is physically possible that he did survive.

[SuperVulcan]

Because Shepard isn't ready to die. Unless you pick control or synthesis.

[The Protheans]

 http://img.ponibooru.org/_images/6890f1c3945e3e69ac2b92819486f977/3%20-%20Potter's_ioordere%20rainbow_dash%20transparent.png

[balance5050]

Hogge87 wrote...

Hitler survived that bunker bomb.
Some of the buildings that were underneath the Hiroshima bomb were nearly intact, with the people inside being unharmed (apart from radiation). There are many instances of people stepping on land mines and surviving, while people farther being killed instead.

In a word: it really is physically possible that he did survive.

The explosion was 5 meters above Shepards head.....

[Catamantaloedis]

Grimwick wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Shepard died from lack of oxygen, in the descent to the planet. That would have caused significant damage to his brain all over. Some of this damage is literally not repairable. If the neural connections in his mind, responsible for certain memories, reflexes , and abilities are literally gone, because they are dead and decayed, you can't just reconnect these pathways without magic. They were formed from experience, and are gone forever. You can't just recreate those experiences. 

Why not?

EVERYTHING you describe as 'experience' is just incredibly complicated chemistry. Like all good chemistry a very large part of that can be recreated.

The only thing that is 100% unfeasible is the quantum nature of chemistry at the level of the brain, it would be down to chance whether it was 100% identical but we can leave this to the fact that it is fiction.

You need to let go the misconception that memories are irretrievable, they are not as such. Your brain is nothing but a large mixture of chemicals.

Identical twins are genetically the same, but they do not have the same memories or neural connections. Even if you somehow used Shepard's genetic information to grow a new brain, or even somehow repair parts of the brain, it's not going to have the same information in it, even if it has the same structure.  It will be a similar brain, but it's not going to magically have the same memories. Those connections are unique. Once they're gone, they're gone.
 

[shadowreflexion]

 Just to bring a little humor. A user from The Escapist forums posted this mod of the Normandy unearthed in Skyrim.

A user by the name of White Lightning wrote:

"Clearly, in a final desperate attempt to fix the ME3 ending Shepard tried to use the power of an Elder Scroll. It would appear he failed."

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