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[astreqwerty]

What if they decide to make the game extra short and mediocre  due to not reusing the same areas? Can you imagine for a moment what da2 would have been if they hadnt copypasted those 3 maps(ok maybe 4)? Its obvious that bioware or ea i dunno, allocates a lot less of their budget in the da department(evident from the mess da2 was) and we dont know whether this is about to change.. What if The Next THing ™ is given the same amount of money and development time DA2 was given? Is there space for them to redeem themselves and create a better game or are biowares capabilities restricted by pragmatic obstacles?

Modifié par astreqwerty, 07 mai 2012 - 08:21 .

[fchopin]

They have the same obstacles all game companies have, it's up to them what they do depending what the budget dictates.

[furryrage59]

The sad thing is that they will probably give it a smaller budget because of the DA:2 disaster (which they caused), thus almost certainly dooming the new one to cut corners and more rushed jobs resulting in poor end product etc.

[Marko GW]

Like I said many times before. DA3 is the make or break moment in this franchise.

DAO - huge success, RPG of the year, millions of fans, simply put - GREAT GAME!

DA2 - a (bit) disappointment, lot of fans decided they did not like it after the demo, many of them still bought it and felt the heartless rush-job Bioware/EA made with it, they (Bioware & EA) got the message.

The fans that DAO accumulated are still around whether they bought or didn't DA2, or whether they liked it or not. Again, many of them will buy DA3. But as the saying goes... "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me". DA4 will not get mentioned in the most optimistic scenarios if they drop the ball (again) with DA3, leaving the beautiful setting and story of Thedas and its nations unresolved and untold.

[AxecObl]

DA III will be an arcade game, released in episodes similar to games like The Walking Dead.

Man, would that suck.

[Get Magna Carter]

I think they will have been allowed the resources to avoid this and so will have completely different problems

[5trangeCase]

Most of the people who bought DA:O bought DA2 because they didn't know it was going to be so poor + new customers attracted by their hack and slashy thing. DA2 might have been badly reviewed, but I'd imagine it sold very well.

If it has less of a budget than DA2, then we might as well all abandon the series and go do other things as far as I'm concerned.

[LolaLei]

If we're lucky maybe EA or whoever will allow them more time/money this time round, what with the poor reception DA2 recieved from gamers and the uproar ME3 caused... Here's hoping they are looking to redeem Bioware.

[Dakota Strider]

Hopefully the people in charge of deciding budgets, realize that the old adage of "You need to spend money, to make money" is true. They have to realize that the more they invest into making a game (both money and time), the better the result, and the more money it will make.

However, if the DA team continues to move away from their successful formula from DAO, BG2 and NwN, and goes in the direction of making a hybrid action game, as they did in DA2, then no amount of money or time will make DA3 a game that many of Bioware's once loyal crpg fans will want to play.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

That worries me too. Mike Laidlaw did say once that the re-used areas were done in order to fit in more content/quests.

plus I agree with the above post ^

Modifié par Shinian2, 07 mai 2012 - 02:51 .

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

If we're lucky maybe EA or whoever will allow them more time/money this time round, what with the poor reception DA2 recieved from gamers and the uproar ME3 caused... Here's hoping they are looking to redeem Bioware.

Yeah, I'm with LolaLei. It sounds like all the chips are on DAIII to bolster up the fanbase. Lots of pressure on the devs right now, bless them.

Any assumptions we make at this point are going to probably be both silly and unfair - the devs know how much everyone hated recycled environments, and even if there are cuts to the budget (is this confirmed? I haven't read this anywhere) they'll find ways of handling it creatively.

In fact, if you watch the latest interviews with the panel at Pax, what it sounded like is that rather than recycling small environments multiple times, the devs plan to create larger spaces that are unique to each location. You won't hear complaints from this girl!

[wsandista]

Dakota Strider wrote...

Hopefully the people in charge of deciding budgets, realize that the old adage of "You need to spend money, to make money" is true. They have to realize that the more they invest into making a game (both money and time), the better the result, and the more money it will make.

However, if the DA team continues to move away from their successful formula from DAO, BG2 and NwN, and goes in the direction of making a hybrid action game, as they did in DA2, then no amount of money or time will make DA3 a game that many of Bioware's once loyal crpg fans will want to play.

I don't understand why some people thought it was a good thing to leave the formula for those great games for the actiony-RPGish mess DA2 was. I mean trying new things is great, IF they work well, and comparing how DA2 was recieved with all 3 of the games you mentioned, the new direction didn't work well. There is a reason DAO is selling higher than DA2($15 to $10), despite DAO being 1.5 year older. That should be all the proof Bioware needs to confirm that DA2 was not a step in the right direction.

Modifié par wsandista, 07 mai 2012 - 04:03 .

[Maria Caliban]

astreqwerty wrote...

What if they decide to make the game extra short and mediocre  due to not reusing the same areas?

People will complain. Same as ever.

[LolaLei]

Maria Caliban wrote...

astreqwerty wrote...

What if they decide to make the game extra short and mediocre  due to not reusing the same areas?

People will complain. Same as ever.

Yup, that's human nature for ya. It's done with love though.

[PsychoBlonde]

Wow, a lot of general claims about what 2 million-some-odd game purchasers did and thought. Anybody actually have some FREAKING NUMBERS to back any of this up?

This entire thread is nothing but wild claims based on absolutely nothing. Maybe I should join in.

Since I, personally, enjoyed both games enormously and was quite satisfied to preorder two copies and buy ALL the DLC, obviously the fanbase is overjoyed and DA3 will have an ENORMOUS budget and be scheduled for 3 years development to take advantage of said ENORMOUS budget. Bioware will double their Edmonton staff.

Because everything I think absolutely applies to everyone everywhere at all times.

[kingtigernz]

Dakota Strider wrote...

Hopefully the people in charge of deciding budgets, realize that the old adage of "You need to spend money, to make money" is true. They have to realize that the more they invest into making a game (both money and time), the better the result, and the more money it will make.

However, if the DA team continues to move away from their successful formula from DAO, BG2 and NwN, and goes in the direction of making a hybrid action game, as they did in DA2, then no amount of money or time will make DA3 a game that many of Bioware's once loyal crpg fans will want to play.

Well said,totally agree with everything that was said.Why Bioware keep moving away from fan's of the series is absurd to say the least.

[deuce985]

Sadly, I fear DA3 will get less budget. DA2 hasn't sold as well as DA:O. ME3 didn't reach sales expectations for March. SWTOR is losing a lot of subs already.

You have to think corporate EA will put their foot down somewhere. Considering EA is in financial problems right now--largely because they were over-spending and dipped over $1 billion in marketing last year, something is going to get sacrificed. A restructure is likely going to happen and this has implications on Bioware. New management is going to see the over-spending and likely cut budget all over.

Bioware is just going to have to make due with whatever they get. Of course, I'm speculating EA will slice their budget but EA so far seems to be letting Bioware operate itself mostly. Aside from deadlines and budgets, obviously. Hopefully SWTOR is making EA happy enough to where Bioware can drop a little more budget into something like DA3. Last I checked, it was doing great even though they were losing subs. If EA made their money back on the game, then everything is profit from here on out.

SWTOR has direct impact on Bioware's other projects. With it staying a success, it gives steady revenue to them and they can extend budget and development time on their other games. Also means they can hire more devs to focus directly on that project and not split their resources, as they had to do with some other Bioware devs during SWTOR's development. I think that's largely why DA2 felt rushed in some areas. They were building ME3+DA2+SWTOR with most of the manpower focusing on ME3/SWTOR, IMO.

SWTOR had over 2 million sold and 1.7 million consistent subs in early February. I have no idea what their numbers look like now but that's incredible for a MMO. Not even WoW hit those numbers that fast. Last I saw it was losing a lot of subs though...

Modifié par deuce985, 08 mai 2012 - 05:46 .

[dracuella]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Wow, a lot of general claims about what 2 million-some-odd game purchasers did and thought. Anybody actually have some FREAKING NUMBERS to back any of this up?

This entire thread is nothing but wild claims based on absolutely nothing. Maybe I should join in.

Since I, personally, enjoyed both games enormously and was quite satisfied to preorder two copies and buy ALL the DLC, obviously the fanbase is overjoyed and DA3 will have an ENORMOUS budget and be scheduled for 3 years development to take advantage of said ENORMOUS budget. Bioware will double their Edmonton staff.

Because everything I think absolutely applies to everyone everywhere at all times.

I hereby allow PsychoBlonde to talk for me on all occasions since I had the completely same experience.

I always thought that , if DA2 had been the first installment and DA:O came after, people would still complain about the sequel. SInce it was different from the first game

Modifié par dracuella, 08 mai 2012 - 08:37 .

[sickpixie]

I would have been fine if Dragon Age 2 stuck to story-relevant content and left all that time-padding, inconsequential killing and fetching by the wayside.

[Takamori The Templar]

Checking EA stocks...Well I have my hopes that will be another publisher.
Hope this new publisher, gives a decent contract with a reasonable timeline.

[Face of Evil]

It's unfortunate that the game hasn't been announced yet. I'm certain that DA3 will be terrible and I can't even cancel my pre-order in protest.

[Atakuma]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Checking EA stocks...Well I have my hopes that will be another publisher.
Hope this new publisher, gives a decent contract with a reasonable timeline.

EA owns bioware, there isn't going to be another publisher.

[AkiKishi]

Compared to Xenoblade 99% of games are short. You can fit DA and DA2 or all 3 ME's into a complete playthrough of that one.

DA2 and ME3 could have been shorter though. I'd rather see something more consistent than just an arbitary number padded out with fluff.

[dracuella]

Well I for one cannot wait for DA3, which I know is going to be awesome. I cannot wait to see which adventures Gaider and the girls & guys from Bioware have us embark on. My hope is that EA will see the commercial value of giving the reins back to Bioware