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[DaeFaron]

Aezay wrote...

sarahbau wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Also, it is alot easier to save up 60 bucks for a game that runs than to justify spending $500-800 on a new computer to run a $60 game. If I had the ability to save up $500 I would have to use my brain and realize that's half my rent and I cannot justify dropping that much to make a good experience better. Am I the only one living in the actual economy?

No. You're living in a false dichotomy. You're saying that it's either pay for just the game when you get the XBox version, or pay for the game and an entire new computer if you get the PC version, but those weren't the choices presented by the OP. He apparently has both an XBox and a PC, and wouldn't need to buy any new hardware for Dragon Age. Don't forget that the XBox isn't free either. It would be just as silly to recommend someone buy an XBox and the XBox version of the game as your example of buying a new PC for the PC version.

Doesn't people normally have a computer anyway, to check mail, browse the internet etc? Doubting all the xbox peopel in this post are doing that from their xbox. So those who prefer console gaming has to buy both a pc and a console, while pure pc players can just get a better computer.
If you upgrade your entire pc once it start being slow in games, then you might have to pay a lot, but often a simple graphic card upgrade will fix it. In the long run, I actually think pc gaming is a lot cheaper than consoles, since we pay so much less for the actual games.

You can have a computer that isn't that great for gaming, like mine. To run the newest games I would literally have to purchase a new computer.

[Darth_Trethon]

Aezay wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

I am getting rather tired just reading about dozens of game-breaking problems on PC....one guy deleted ONE single save and all his characters were erased.....game problem. The Character Creator uninstaller is broken and has a high chance to delete game files....game problem. Some cannot advance the game because the the transition area is broken....game problem. And there are A LOT more.....and I haven't even touched mod-created problems. Devs already said that the latest PC patch won't work with mods so that's likely to create a few problems.....and so on.....

It's not just me there are countless problems with the PC version and just because you've had good luck doesn't mean you have to go around insulting others for telling the simple plain truth.

[citation needed]

Seriously though, what are you basing this on, I've seen neither of those errors, so stop with your doomsday talk about how the pc sucks compared to your beloved xbox.

Partly personal experience(with the CC) and reading threads on these forums. A lot of activity so a lot gets berried fast.....just go to the PC support forums and you're bound to see quite a bit of game created problems there.....and before you ask NO I do not read the PC support forums since I have no personal need to be there. I also found the problems regarding the CC in the CC forums when I was trying to run it myself.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 09 décembre 2009 - 04:22 .

[whtnyte-raernst]

krisd wrote...

Um I have a computer that can handle it. I'll get the PC version thanks.

More stupid questions when I actually start playing to come =)

You'll have a blast!

[DaeFaron]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Aezay wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

I am getting rather tired just reading about dozens of game-breaking problems on PC....one guy deleted ONE single save and all his characters were erased.....game problem. The Character Creator uninstaller is broken and has a high chance to delete game files....game problem. Some cannot advance the game because the the transition area is broken....game problem. And there are A LOT more.....and I haven't even touched mod-created problems. Devs already said that the latest PC patch won't work with mods so that's likely to create a few problems.....and so on.....

It's not just me there are countless problems with the PC version and just because you've had good luck doesn't mean you have to go around insulting others for telling the simple plain truth.

[citation needed]

Seriously though, what are you basing this on, I've seen neither of those errors, so stop with your doomsday talk about how the pc sucks compared to your beloved xbox.

Partly personal experience(with the CC) and reading threads on these forums. A lot of activity so a lot gets berried fast.....just go to the PC support forums and you're bound to see quite a bit of game created problems there.....and before you ask NO I do not read the PC support forums since I have no personal need to be there. I also found the problems regarding the CC in the CC forums when I was trying to run it myself.

I can quote two problems I have seen people complaining about that I have not run into at all during 360 Dragon age. 1: Ancient Elven boots - Always got them were they where supposed to be
2: Saving everybody in the zombie battle - I did that fine on my rogue.

[johngaltjr]

360 will be more stable probably. On any PC game you can expect a crash every 20 playing hours or so. When I played ME on 360, it actually crashed like once every 10 hours for me.. kind of annoying.. but overall you still have to say the console version is going to be little more stable.

Now what bewilders me is why they decided to basically turn off all texture filtering for the 360 version. Have you seen those textures? *puke* If you have a PS3 I'd highly picking it up for that, at least they are using brilinear lol.

[orpheus333]

Its closer to 15Gb than 20Gb. Not a huge price to pay in terms of disc space. If your PC is upto it i don;t see any reason not to get it for PC unless you prefer playing games on consoles, infront of massive TVs, on comfy sofas.



I personally prefer comfy office chairs and desks.

[johngaltjr]

DaeFaron wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Aezay wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

I am getting rather tired just reading about dozens of game-breaking problems on PC....one guy deleted ONE single save and all his characters were erased.....game problem. The Character Creator uninstaller is broken and has a high chance to delete game files....game problem. Some cannot advance the game because the the transition area is broken....game problem. And there are A LOT more.....and I haven't even touched mod-created problems. Devs already said that the latest PC patch won't work with mods so that's likely to create a few problems.....and so on.....

It's not just me there are countless problems with the PC version and just because you've had good luck doesn't mean you have to go around insulting others for telling the simple plain truth.

[citation needed]

Seriously though, what are you basing this on, I've seen neither of those errors, so stop with your doomsday talk about how the pc sucks compared to your beloved xbox.

Partly personal experience(with the CC) and reading threads on these forums. A lot of activity so a lot gets berried fast.....just go to the PC support forums and you're bound to see quite a bit of game created problems there.....and before you ask NO I do not read the PC support forums since I have no personal need to be there. I also found the problems regarding the CC in the CC forums when I was trying to run it myself.

I can quote two problems I have seen people complaining about that I have not run into at all during 360 Dragon age. 1: Ancient Elven boots - Always got them were they where supposed to be
2: Saving everybody in the zombie battle - I did that fine on my rogue.

Well I'll quote one problem I've never run into on the PC version, the bird's eye works.  hehe couldn't resist.  Honestly I can't imagine playing the game without being able to zoom out.  Plus the awesome dock bar vs. the lame-o radial thingamajig.

[Darth_Trethon]

DaeFaron wrote...

I can quote two problems I have seen people complaining about that I have not run into at all during 360 Dragon age. 1: Ancient Elven boots - Always got them were they where supposed to be
2: Saving everybody in the zombie battle - I did that fine on my rogue.

The acient elven armor is a low level very poor armor....it may be a random drop like the Fade Wall where one enemy/chest/whatever has a random but NOT guaranteed chance to drop it. Probably not a bug but certainly not signifficant or game breaking.

No problem for me saving everyone there but the game is deffinitely not easy for many(even on easy) so oh well life moves on. That seems like player failure to me. Probably not a bug and cetainly not signifficant or game breaking.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 09 décembre 2009 - 04:31 .

[Dasim4]

I hate to see threads lean toward the Xbox vs PC line if thinking because it only starts pointless fanboy arguments. I have both systems and in this case I have the PC version because it is better in a number of ways. That doesn't stop me from enjoying many games on my Xbox though. I am a big console fan as well, but there are just certain games that play better on PC and this is one of them.

[whtnyte-raernst]

johngaltjr wrote...

360 will be more stable probably. On any PC game you can expect a crash every 20 playing hours or so. When I played ME on 360, it actually crashed like once every 10 hours for me.. kind of annoying.. but overall you still have to say the console version is going to be little more stable.
Now what bewilders me is why they decided to basically turn off all texture filtering for the 360 version. Have you seen those textures? *puke* If you have a PS3 I'd highly picking it up for that, at least they are using brilinear lol.

I love it when people creat their own statistics. I've been playing computer games since before there were CRT monitors and I've never had a game crash every 20 hours of play. And trust me, if it was a fantasy RPG, I've played it.

[ModForFun]

I'll be a pc gamer to the die but there is one distinct advantage that consoles have over the PC, that advantage is that if its made for your console it will play end of story. The PC requires the user to know more then how to turn it on, they need to know how to find thier systems specs and they need to know how to upgrade what parts to buy and where to buy them ect. ect.



So I wont bash a gamer for prefering the simplicity of a console, but I will never agree that consoles are better they are just simpler.

[DaeFaron]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

DaeFaron wrote...

I can quote two problems I have seen people complaining about that I have not run into at all during 360 Dragon age. 1: Ancient Elven boots - Always got them were they where supposed to be
2: Saving everybody in the zombie battle - I did that fine on my rogue.

The acient elven armor is a low level very poor armor....it may be a random drop like the Fade Wall where one enemy/chest/whatever has a random but NOT guaranteed chance to drop it. Probably not a bug but certainly not signifficant or game breaking.

No problem for me saving everyone there but the game is deffinitely not easy for many(even on easy) so oh well life moves on. That seems like player failure to me. Probably not a bug and cetainly not signifficant or game breaking.

Meh, imo its a mid-level medium armor, working fine for my rogue who is past his second spec.

[SarEnyaDor]

I am saying that 6 years ago, I spent $1200 on a PC that was excellent, it is now crap and can't run anything I want to play. Four years ago I bought an Xbox 360 that STILL runs new games. My economic status has dramatically changed in that time, whereas my love of RPGs has not.



I can eat PB&Js for a few weeks and be able to treat myself to a game that will give me hours (months really) of enjoyment on the said 360. I could eat PB&Js for 9 months, get a new PC and in a year we would be having this same conversation about how my older PC won't run the newer games.



My PC does word processing, accesses the internet, does bills, evern plays some BigFish games, but a gaming PC it is not.



My response was to the people acting like its not a big deal to upgrade to something better. It really can be a big deal. Not every configuration can be upgraded, not enough PCI slots, not fast enough processor, not enough knowledge to do it yourself, not enough money to get someone to do it for you - whatever.



I never claimed 360s were better than PCs. I just said it was a valid choice for a plethora of reasons that are grounded in reality.

[johngaltjr]

really? I'm surprised. I don't doubt you, but a crash every 20 hours isn't as much as you think. Has anyone gotten through a complete runthrough of DA on PC without crashing once or twice? If so I'm envious.

[Dreogan]

johngaltjr wrote...

really? I'm surprised. I don't doubt you, but a crash every 20 hours isn't as much as you think. Has anyone gotten through a complete runthrough of DA on PC without crashing once or twice? If so I'm envious.

I've gotten memory leaks, a freaky bug that makes chat options disappear when I swap between fullscreen and windowed, and sound going to static before recovering... but I haven't crashed yet. In the immortal words of Monty Python, "I'm not dead yet!"

[Mordaedil]

From my years working with people trying hard to use computers, I have to say, the only real reason why the tech support forums are so empty on the console side is because most of them do not understand how to use Internet Explorer or surf the Internet.



It's a more common problem than you'd think.

[DaeFaron]

Mordaedil wrote...

From my years working with people trying hard to use computers, I have to say, the only real reason why the tech support forums are so empty on the console side is because most of them do not understand how to use Internet Explorer or surf the Internet.

It's a more common problem than you'd think.

Is that saying console players are dumb?

[ModForFun]

johngaltjr wrote...

really? I'm surprised. I don't doubt you, but a crash every 20 hours isn't as much as you think. Has anyone gotten through a complete runthrough of DA on PC without crashing once or twice? If so I'm envious.

On my 4th play through no crashes, and no problems other then a microsoft update messing with the toolset which for me atleast has been resolved.

[DaeFaron]

ModForFun wrote...

johngaltjr wrote...

really? I'm surprised. I don't doubt you, but a crash every 20 hours isn't as much as you think. Has anyone gotten through a complete runthrough of DA on PC without crashing once or twice? If so I'm envious.

On my 4th play through no crashes, and no problems other then a microsoft update messing with the toolset which for me atleast has been resolved.

Only one 'crash' on 360 in my first playthrough (I am on my second when I get on). That wasn't even a game-related crash, the loading screen simply got stuck and I restarted the xbox and bam, it was solved.

[Aezay]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I am saying that 6 years ago, I spent $1200 on a PC that was excellent, it is now crap and can't run anything I want to play. Four years ago I bought an Xbox 360 that STILL runs new games. My economic status has dramatically changed in that time, whereas my love of RPGs has not.

There is a difference between four and six years though. If your pc was four years old, it would most likely have a PCIe motherboard, and it would have been easy to upgrade, but since it's six, it will probably have an AGP slot instead.

Things don't really age that fast for a pc as people think they do. As an example, I have an ATI 3870 graphic card, which is a card released in 2006. With this card I still play all the new games in 1920 x 1200, although I at times can get pretty bad framerate, but I could just turn down details if I wanted to.

[MassEffect762]

For DA:O sure, PC.

For Mass Effect 2 I'm gonna go with the 360.(sue me)

Modifié par MassEffect762, 09 décembre 2009 - 05:17 .

[Dex1701]

johngaltjr wrote...
 On any PC game you can expect a crash every 20 playing hours or so.

That doesn't sound right to me.  I'm constanly swapping parts around 3-4 machines at my house and I can count on one hand the number of times I've had a crash while I was playing a game in the past 6-8 months.  My 360 and my Wii glitch a lot more often than that.

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

addiction21 wrote...

Direbrute wrote...

I'll answer that for him. "I can sit on my couch and play."

That's the generic console defense. Oddly enough I've sat my ass at my computer desk for 8 hours at a time without feeling the slightest discomfort.

Good chair or a fat ass?

So you can with the PC if you would like to, it all depends on setting the PC up for, even though doing such I still get better quality as well, just the right tools is needed for it is all.

[TemplarofSteel]

Akshara wrote...

After an eight to ten hour day of composing and editing on a computer, plus email and networking necessities, being able to relax on the couch at the end of the day with the HDTV and surround system, and more importantly no mouse, trackball or tablet, is most appreciated. Xbox for the win.

Would love to see the breakdown of real world sales numbers between the versions one day.

Same here. After being on the computer for most of the day in school (mostly programming classes), the last thing i want to do is to get back on my computer to play a game. That is why i have my xbox 360 .


Graphics wise the PC is far superior for this game, but when it comes down to PC or 360 version, i have to take the 360 version. The reason is i will never play games on my PC. My PC has too many programs on there that are needed for school. If my PC didn't have all the programs like it does now then i might get the PC version if i felt up to it, but 360 always comes first for me though.