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#101
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Bah not another one of these topics seems like they come around weekly ;). However allow me to attempt to put an end to these bloody stupid debates.

The PC version is of course superior to both the PS3 and 360 versions of the games. We generally (depending on hardware of the PC) have a better frame rate than our console counterparts as well as the ability to add in mods. If you have played Oblivion and Fallout 3 and come across the TES forums you may understand just why this is a such a strong bonus. Oblivion's modding community have not only made the game last for years, but improved the way it looks, adding things like new weather effects for immersion. Also included in that are mods such as OldOblivion where the team aims to make the game run and look better on older hardware, whilst not sacrificing much in terms of performance.

While I'm not saying DA:O will have a modding community on par with that of the elder scrolls, if NWN was anything to go by we could all be in for a treat. As far as I know so me high res textures are already being made ~ a welcome change. 

However the only benefit, again providing you have the hardware to run DA:O, I can see on the consoles is being able to sit on your sofa, a trade that's just not worth it considering the price comfy leather chairs these days.

Modifié par Drag0n-RD, 09 décembre 2009 - 08:11 .


#102
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DaeFaron wrote...

Mordaedil wrote...

From my years working with people trying hard to use computers, I have to say, the only real reason why the tech support forums are so empty on the console side is because most of them do not understand how to use Internet Explorer or surf the Internet.

It's a more common problem than you'd think.


Is that saying console players are dumb?

It's saying that console owners do not sit on a computer fiddling with browsers enough to be knowledgable about them. But it extends to a lot of PC owners too, who are unable to find their way to these forums, so I'm not going to say it was more than a jest.

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Sam -stone- serious wrote...

Slayer D wrote...

You're kidding, right? If your PC is a decent gaming machine then it will beat xbox in nearly every way.

Better controls, graphics, mods, performance, and then some.


Nearly? There is not a single thing in the xbox that is better from the PC version.


Well I honestly doubt you can play the pc version lying upside down on the couch scratching your nuts.

Reason enough for me to buy the xbox version.

#104
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Gracchio wrote...

Sam -stone- serious wrote...

Slayer D wrote...

You're kidding, right? If your PC is a decent gaming machine then it will beat xbox in nearly every way.

Better controls, graphics, mods, performance, and then some.


Nearly? There is not a single thing in the xbox that is better from the PC version.


Well I honestly doubt you can play the pc version lying upside down on the couch scratching your nuts.

Reason enough for me to buy the xbox version.

depends on where you keep your pc:pinched:

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I favour the content of the actual game more so than I do my physical comfort whilst playing, as long as I'm reasonably comfortable and able to play without hassle. Sure it can be nice getting comfortable on your sofa/bed/armchair with a controller in hand, but for a game like DA:O, there far too many benefits for the PC version.



As long as my PC is capable, I could care less if I've been working in front of a computer all day. The computer serves many purposes, and gaming is one of them. I have hundreds of programs on my computer, but when I'm playing DA:O, that's all there is to it; work is irrelevant, and so are the other programs.



I do own an X360 and a Wii, although I've touched neither for over 6 months.

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console = casual gaming

PC = gaming hobby



With that said, PC VERSION OF COURSE! ARE YOU NUTS??


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Gracchio wrote...

Sam -stone- serious wrote...

Nearly? There is not a single thing in the xbox that is better from the PC version.


Well I honestly doubt you can play the pc version lying upside down on the couch scratching your nuts.

Reason enough for me to buy the xbox version.

I doubt you can play any kind of game that way unless you're some sort of mutant.

#108
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Drayth wrote...

console = casual gaming
PC = gaming hobby

With that said, PC VERSION OF COURSE! ARE YOU NUTS??


Ahh no, console gaming is more social, but not necessarily more casual. You can argue PC gaming is more casual with all those people just playing free flash gams or online poker, if you buy a console, you buy it to play games, specifically.

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This entire discussion is purely subjective.  There is not one single fact that
s been stated that makes the PC version "superior", because it's all subjective...

I seen better graphics stated as a reason, and meh... Don;t much care abou the graphical differences, they're slight.  So this doesn't make the PC version superior to me.

I've seen keyboard & mouse control as a reason for superiority, but again, is puerely subjective.  SOme people handle a controller with far more finesse and control than  akeyboard and mouse, so again not a fact about why the PC version is superior.

I've seen mods asa reason for supeirority, but if you're not interested in mods, then this doesn't make the PC version as superior.

I've seen more enemeies on screen, but again if you prefer the lower number of manageable enemies, this doesn't make the PC version superior.

I've seen better control of party as a reason, and quite frankly I have no problems ordering my party around on a console, so this isn't a reason for superiority.

Regardless of the "facts", one's preferences will make one platform superior over the other, and all "facts" entered into the discussion are subjective.

What makes somthing superior to one person may make it inferior to another.

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Even if someone "isn't interested" in advantages (or pretends not to be), they're still advantages.

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Pompeii69 wrote...

This entire discussion is purely subjective.  There is not one single fact that
s been stated that makes the PC version "superior", because it's all subjective...

You can certainly have subjective opinions on facts, but your opinions don't change the facts.

Pompeii69 wrote...

I seen better graphics stated as a reason, and meh... Don;t much care abou the graphical differences, they're slight.  So this doesn't make the PC version superior to me.

Objective fact: the PC version has superior graphics.
Subjective opinion: I don't care about graphical differences.

Pompeii69 wrote...

I've seen mods asa reason for supeirority, but if you're not interested in mods, then this doesn't make the PC version as superior.

Objective fact: mods add more content to the game.
Subjective opinion: I'm not interested in mods.

Pompeii69 wrote...

Regardless of the "facts", one's preferences will make one platform superior over the other, and all "facts" entered into the discussion are subjective.

Incorrect. Your preference has no bearing or influence on objective superiority. Your preference stems from subjective areas that cause you to choose one platform over the other. In your case that would be your physical setup.

Objective fact: Xbox Achievements add to your gamerscore.
Subjection opinion: I have no interest in Achievements or gamerscore.

Modifié par Sensory, 09 décembre 2009 - 08:07 .


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Sensory wrote...

Pompeii69 wrote...

This entire discussion is purely subjective.  There is not one single fact that
s been stated that makes the PC version "superior", because it's all subjective...

You can certainly have subjective opinions on facts, but your opinions don't change the facts.

Pompeii69 wrote...

I seen better graphics stated as a reason, and meh... Don;t much care abou the graphical differences, they're slight.  So this doesn't make the PC version superior to me.

Objective fact: the PC version has superior graphics.
Subjective opinion: I don't care about graphical differences.

Pompeii69 wrote...

I've seen mods asa reason for supeirority, but if you're not interested in mods, then this doesn't make the PC version as superior.

Objective fact: mods add more content to the game.
Subjective opinion: I'm not interested in mods.

Pompeii69 wrote...

Regardless of the "facts", one's preferences will make one platform superior over the other, and all "facts" entered into the discussion are subjective.

Incorrect. Your preference has no bearing or influence on objective superiority. Your preference stems from subjective areas that cause you to choose one platform over the other. In your case that would be your physical setup.

Objective fact: Xbox Achievements add to your gamerscore.
Subjection opinion: I have no interest in Achievements or gamerscore.

Can we end with this post? It says all that needs to be said.

#113
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Why is this a debate, PC is better. I am glad its on console because I can buy a console and know games will run great on it for years, while PCs have problems. The minimum specs on a game are usually inadequate as points in that game will get sluggish. Now some people will be like nuh uh... but for those of us who aren't regular gamers, our PCs are usually a few years old and in my case I have a laptop for business purposes so therefore my video game experiences take place on my 360 - but the PC version is better, by far

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Can't speak for 360 but PS3 ver. is only a buggy after thought. If you have a good rig get the PC version instead of console crap.

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SarEnyaDor wrote...
I am saying that 6 years ago, I spent $1200 on a PC that was excellent, it is now crap and can't run anything I want to play. Four years ago I bought an Xbox 360 that STILL runs new games. My economic status has dramatically changed in that time, whereas my love of RPGs has not.

To be honest, this doesn't make a lot of sense.  I built a PC in 2006 around when Oblivion was released.  It cost about $800 (half of that being the video card...high-end video cards cost less than half now what they did then), and had specs that allowed it to run games slightly better than the 360 could (I also own a 360).

Now, going on 4 years later, that video card can be had for $25 on Ebay, and the entire system could be built with the same specs for little more than a 360 costs.  The Xbox 360 hasn't magically gotten faster over the years.  That 4-year-old machine still runs games slightly faster than the 360 does.  Your post makes it sound like the PC platform has somehow lost ground to the 360 even though it's not possible for it to have changed.

It seems to me that this perception has to do with differing expectations.  We don't expect the 360 to change, but as new PC games are released we expect to be able to run every game at maximum settings at 1920x1080.  In reality, games for the 360 are tweaked and settings scaled down for good performance on the system, and the 360 only renders games at 720p, even when you're outputting at 1080p...it's upscaled.  If you expect to run everything at maximum eye candy on a PC then expect to have to upgrade regularly.  People make it sound like this is a requirement, but it isn't. 

It's not fair to compare the price of staying "bleeding edge" with a PC to the price of maintaining status quo on a console.  It's a double-standard.  The PC I built in early 2006 still runs games better than my 360, and will continue to do so indefinitely.  It won't be outclassed until the next generation of consoles is released, at which time it would be time to buy a new console (or wait for said next-gen console to become more affordable) anyway.

In my experience it's been significantly cheaper to buy games for my PC when they're available over buying them for my consoles because the games are cheaper and I don't have to deal with proprietary accessories, etc.

Again, I think there are a lot of valid reasons to prefer a console, but the cost argument really isn't all that valid in many cases.

Akshara wrote...
After an eight to ten hour day of
composing and editing on a computer, plus email and networking
necessities, being able to relax on the couch at the end of the day
with the HDTV and surround system, and more importantly no mouse,
trackball or tablet, is most appreciated. Xbox for the win.

Would love to see the breakdown of real world sales numbers between the versions one day.

I realize that not everyone does things like this, but I typically have an extra desktop around that acts as a multimedia/gaming PC in my living room.  I play a lot of games on a PC in my living room in front of my big screen TV, surround system, etc. and a wireless Xbox 360 controller.  My games are cheaper and look better, much to the chargrin of my (lately) lonely 360 and Wii.  :P

I'm not sure what you're trying to say about the sales numbers.  It's no secret that there are more console gamers out there than PC gamers.

Gracchio wrote...
Well I honestly doubt you can play the pc version lying upside down on the couch scratching your nuts.

Reason enough for me to buy the xbox version.

I can, actually, and I have.  :lol:

Pompeii69 wrote...

What makes somthing superior to one person may make it inferior to another.

I really don't see how you can say the PC version is inferior.  While you may not be interested in the advantages of the PC version (and you're underestimating the graphical differences immensely...esp. after tweaking AA/AF settings in the GPU driver), that doesn't mean they're not there.  Like I said, there are plenty of good reasons to prefer the console version, but none of them involve that version being better.  The PC version is a superset of everything the console versions have plus a lot more...how can that be inferior?  If you prefer the console that's perfectly fine, but your argument just makes you sound like you're in a bad mood and taking it out on a gaming platform.  ;)

Modifié par Dex1701, 10 décembre 2009 - 01:19 .


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It runs great on my xbox, I can play with the big TV screen (even though my laptop has a really nice 17 incher). It's way more comfortable to sit in the recliner in my living room instead of at my desk (especially since i sit at a desk all day at work) and it's way easier to have someone else sitting with you as a copilot enjoying the game and advising on dialogue choices.

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CrimsonLiver wrote...

It runs great on my xbox, I can play with the big TV screen (even though my laptop has a really nice 17 incher). It's way more comfortable to sit in the recliner in my living room instead of at my desk (especially since i sit at a desk all day at work) and it's way easier to have someone else sitting with you as a copilot enjoying the game and advising on dialogue choices.

Decided not to read the thread, then?  :D  This has to do with the location/setup of your PC and the fact that you don't use a controller with it...has nothing to do with the versions of the game.

Kidding. 




Seriously, though, did you read any of the thread?

Modifié par Dex1701, 10 décembre 2009 - 01:59 .